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Okay, so maybe Zarqawi wasnt Mabus of Nostradamus lore, but..

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posted on Dec, 17 2006 @ 01:17 PM
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I think I know who IS the Mabus mentioned in a famous Nostradamus quatrain, said to be relevant to this time and era.

I thought Mabus was Abu Musab (Musab is Mabus rearranged) al-Zarqawi because I thought Mabus was the 3rd anti-christ or w/e as described in the prophecy, and Zarqawi basicly cemented the current sectarian bloodbath in iraq by sending his 'fighters' to blow up the golden al-askiriya mosque.

But now, with the current factional fighting in the palestinian territories, I have a new and better idea, that I know some of you share. I think Mabus is still alive, that he isn't the actual '3rd anti-christ', rather a figure of the time period. Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the palestinian territories, is a very strong candidate, NOT Saddam Hussein. Right now Hamas and Fatah, Abbas' faction, are squaring off in the most violent palestinian-on-palestinian violence the residents have seen in decades, the news like al-jazeera is reporting. It's basicly a mini-civil war skirmish going on, with hamas accusing fatah of trying to assassinate certain hamas politicians, and with president abbas now calling for new elections, which would effectively kick hamas out because the people would know better than to vote for them again.

so what I see happening is that this factional fighting may culminate in president abbas being killed by hamas fighters. If that happened, Israel would no longer have any sane moderate partner with a potential to work with in the palestinian territories like they currently do with president abbas. If he is gone, there will be, and i quote,

"A terrible undoing of people and animals"

in the holy land. because israel would have NO reason to hold back one ounce against a full hamas led palestine, with no fatah president and no moderate in a high position to negotiate with. i cant imagine a bigger undoing of people and animals, because israel will pound the living hell out of those territories and we all know it. If M. Abbas (Mabus) dies, then things will get really ugly in the holy land, and I think I see it coming with the latest news developments.

I think him dying would cause a greater undoing of people and animals as it says in the Nostradamus quatrain than Saddam being executed. The reason is simple because Saddam's supporters are already actively engaged in the insurgency to some degree; there wouldnt be a huge riot or anything if he was killed on TV for the Iraqis to see. But if Abbas goes.. then Israel is going to take the boxing gloves off against Hamas and start fighting bare knuckle, and many innocent people, palestinians and israelis, will die and be undone as a result of it.

So what do you think of this?




posted on Dec, 17 2006 @ 02:24 PM
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Civil war between Hamas and Fatah would be destructive, but, at the same time, if both forces are, because of the infighting, less focused on the Israelis, then perhaps there'd be less attacks from the Israelis. And perhaps that'd average out to the same level of violence.



posted on Dec, 17 2006 @ 02:30 PM
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maybe Mabus is really W a Bus maybe the W was flipped during history..


Walker Bush



posted on Jan, 15 2007 @ 01:25 PM
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That is possible.

However, in hindsight, if the U.S. does attack Iran this year of 2007, it would point strongly to Saddam being Mabus because after Mabus dies there is a horrible undoing of people and animals. And something about 'as the comet passes' or some such.

So, if a new war pops off in the region i'd consider that a horrible undoing, especally if many many people die in a very bad way.



posted on Jan, 16 2007 @ 07:10 PM
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Chavez is the one that closely resembles Mabus. Maybe the M was supposed to be an H and was missing one letter, like in Hister, Nostradamus missed one letter. Chabus = Chavez... But most probably Mabus has some meaning that identifies the anti-christ.

Chavez has finally announced that he is a red socialist, a Communist and that the goal of the Bolivarian revolution is to spread the revolution to all of Latin America and beyond.

He plans to take control of the world, he already has total control of Venezuela.

[edit on 16-1-2007 by Muaddib]



posted on Jan, 16 2007 @ 08:16 PM
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lol, and i say good luck to him, hes gonna need it.



posted on Jan, 16 2007 @ 08:24 PM
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Where is a good site to read Nostradamus's prophecies? I always hear of Nostradamus's prophecies but, never get the chance to actually read them my self. If you have a link, it would be appreciated.



posted on Jan, 16 2007 @ 08:58 PM
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Abbas has been my odds on favourite for MABUS for a long time now.

Just a note, several pages on the prophecy I have read say that MABUS isn't the anti-christ, he is a puppet of the anti-christ. It is the death of MABUS that will ultimately set the anti-christ into a position where he will be able to instigate the third world war.

If abbas were to be killed palestinians would no doubt retaliate against Israel, it would not take much for several other countries in the region to also join in the hostilities, giving the western allies no choice but to enter into the war themselves.

This would actually mean that the leader of the western nations could be the anti-christ.

wikipedia link This link provides a ton of info on Nostradamus as well as a list of links at the bottom.



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 01:44 AM
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And if Chavez gets killed, even if by lightning who do you think "socialists, red socialists, revolutionaries, and the far left, among some others, are going to blame?... I am pretty sure that at least a portion of the 45-47% of the population of Venezuela that is poor will try to retaliate, together with other "red socialist/revolutionary" nations/dictators...

Remember, Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce both said that Russia would "appear" to stop being Communist for a while, but this would only be a trap for the west according to Cayce. Communism will reemerge with many people following it blindly. They also said Communist nations will unite with Islamic nations. The Russian president, Putin said about a year ago that they would back any islamic nation instead of backing the west.

Chavez has as one of his friends and allies the president of Iran, and other islamic and "revolutionary" (Communist) nations.

They will unite to attack the west.

Even in one of the prophecies of the virgin MAry, she said that if Russia is not consagrated in her name Communism will reemerge and reconquer the world.

This is exactly what is happening.

[edit on 17-1-2007 by Muaddib]



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 01:58 AM
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Here is an excerpt from the article with Putin saying they will back the Islamic world over the western world, namely the U.S. and it's allies.


Putin Calls Russia Defender of Islamic World
Created: 12.12.2005 18:05 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 11:43 MSK

MosNews

Russia is the most reliable partner of the Islamic world and most faithful defender of its interests, Russian President Vladimir Putin said in Chechnya’s capital Grozny. Putin unexpectedly visited the war-ravaged republic to speak in the local parliament that opened for its first sitting on Monday.

www.mosnews.com...

Actually, thats not the article where "he specifically says to back Islamic nations against the west"...but it does show what I am talking about. I will find the right article.


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posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 02:03 AM
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Here is another article. Although in this article it does not say Putin is saying it, imagine why the two Russian parliamentary members say this?....


Russia to take Syria's side if conflict with U.S. arises - Russian MPs
20:41 | 20/ 12/ 2005


MOSCOW, December 20 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will take Syria's side if charges against Syrian officials with involvement in the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri cause a conflict between the United States and Syria, two Russian parliamentary members said Tuesday.

"If Russia is to choose between its two strategic allies, it will undoubtedly take Syria's side," said Shamil Sultanov, a coordinator of an inter-faction association, Russia and the Islamic World: A Strategic Dialogue.

en.rian.ru...

Humm, where did i put that link...



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 04:47 AM
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HEre is another article which proves my point, and that these prophecies are coming true as we speak. (I should say write)


quote: HAMAS to Arrive in Russia Late February
Sunday, February 12 2006 @ 04:13 PM Eastern Standard Time

Russian President Vladimir Putin signaled for preparations to be carried out for HAMAS’, the Islamic Resistance Movement, visit in February to Russian officials in Moscow. The visitation is an official event arousing the curiosity of the international community.

HAMAS senior officials can pay a visit to the Moscow officials by the end of February, said Aleksandr Kalugin, the Russian Foreign Minister’s Special Envoy for the Middle East Settlement. The statement by President Putin is actually an official invitation, Mr. Kalugin told the Interfax: "There are preparations underway to specify when and how the visit will be carried out.” It will probably be the HAMAS leader Khaled Mashal who will be hosted in Moscow as the HAMAS president, said Mr. Kalugin.

www.turks.us...

BTW, according to the prophecy given by the Virgin Mary, Russia will once again bring disaster to the world. I think in that part of the prophecy, it was making reference to the following.


Russia's Putin calls on US to end Iraq war
March 20, 2003
AFP

Russian President Vladimir Putin called Thursday on the United States to stop its war against Iraq and rejected US claims that President Saddam Hussein's regime posed a danger to other countries.


However Russia also stressed that Iraq will not splinter Moscow's partnership with Washington in the global anti-terror coalition.
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"This military action is unjustified," Putin stressed. "There has been no answer to the main question: Are there weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and if so, which ones?"
.............
"We must continue our dialogue with the US administration in order to convince it that this war will have difficult consequences for everyone, including the United States," Russia's top diplomat said.

"If this war breaks us apart, then it will weaken us in the face of new global threats."

www.cdi.org...

But we also know now that Putin and the Russian intelligence agencies were...


Speaking on a visit to Kazakhstan, Mr Putin said Russia had warned the US on several occasions that Iraq was planning "terrorist attacks" on its soil.

"After the events of 11 September 2001, and before the start of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times received such information and passed it on to their American colleagues," he told reporters.

news.bbc.co.uk...

So what is the reason for the Russian government to claim for years after the war in Iraq started that "the United States had no reason for invading Iraq", when they were the ones who actually provided much of the evidence that "Saddam was a threat to the United States"?....

The anwser is simple, the Russian helped Saddam get those wmd, and the Russians helped them remove them, leaving some things behind, like banned missiles, empty chemical warheads, etc, but not enough evidence for the world to see what the Russians were doing...

The Russians even gave military information to the regime of Saddam meanwhile the war was waging on the movement of troops and other intelligence....


Did Russian Ambassador Give Saddam the U.S. War Plan?

March 23, 2006 — Following are the ABC News Investigative Unit's summaries of seven documents from Saddam Hussein's government, which the U.S. government has released.

The documents discuss Osama bin Laden, weapons of mass destruction, al Qaeda and more.

The full documents can be found on the U.S. Army Foreign Military Studies Office Web site: fmso.leavenworth.army.mil...

abcnews.go.com...



A US Pentagon report said Russia passed details through its Baghdad ambassador.

One piece of intelligence passed on was false, and in fact helped a key US deception effort, the report said.

The report also quoted an Iraqi memo which mentioned Russian "sources" at the US military headquarters in Qatar.

"The information that the Russians have collected from their sources inside the American Central Command in Doha is that the United States is convinced that occupying Iraqi cities are [sic] impossible," said the Iraqi document, quoted by the Pentagon report.

Surprise attack

The false intelligence apparently passed on by Russia concerned the date the US was likely to start its main attack on Baghdad.

A document from the Iraqi foreign minister to Saddam Hussein, dated 2 April 2003, and quoting Russian intelligence, said the attack would not begin until the Army's 4th Infantry Division arrived about 15 April.

This reinforced an impression that the US military were trying to create, in order to catch Iraqis by surprise with an earlier attack, the Pentagon report said.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Perhaps now some people will see why and who started the "conflict with Iraq"?...

and not only that, but Russia is now helping Iran....and Venezuela, and other Communist/revolutionary countries, and China is looking for the same goal and is working with these countries, and others to achive scuh goal.

The Shanghai Cooperation Organization was funded by China and Russia, and supposedly they made this organization to "battle terrorism, extremism and separatists".


Within the framework of the SCO, effective steps will be taken to implement the Shanghai Convention on the Combating of Terrorism, Separatism and Extremism, and to adopt appropriate documents for multilateral cooperation in the matter of suppressing the illicit drug and arms trafficking, other kinds of criminal activity having a transnational character, and illegal migration.

www.shaps.hawaii.edu...

Yet how can this group have been created to fight terrorism when they have accepted Iran, a known sponsor of terrorists, into their fold?...


China, Russia welcome Iran into the fold
By M K Bhadrakumar

The Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), which maintained it had no plans for expansion, is now changing course. Mongolia, Iran, India and Pakistan, which previously had observer status, will become full members. SCO's decision to welcome Iran into its fold constitutes a political statement. Conceivably, SCO would now proceed to adopt a common position on the Iran nuclear issue at its summit meeting June 15.

www.atimes.com...

Is it possible that Mabus is more than just one person? Could it be a group? Could it be the Shanghai Cooperation Organization?

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posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 05:28 AM
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MABUS = osaMABUSh.

MABUS isn't necessarily one person. The Osama & Bush thing works. It also kinda fits. At least, so far.



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
MABUS = osaMABUSh.

MABUS isn't necessarily one person. The Osama & Bush thing works. It also kinda fits. At least, so far.


That would be more like nostradamus missed three letters, but I understand what you are saying, I also think it is possible Mabus is a group and not just a person, and is even possible the word Mabus is some sort of definition and not just a name.

But the truth is that according to Nostradamus the forces of the anti-christ are Communists and Islamic extremists, which narrows down who, or what Mabus is. Since president Bush is neither a Communist nor an Islamic extremism that takes him off the list, alongside some other people.



[edit on 17-1-2007 by Muaddib]



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 01:21 PM
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I don't know about Mabus, but it would take one heck of a lot of fighting in Palestine to equal the number of deaths in Iraq over the past year.



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by FlyersFan
MABUS isn't necessarily one person. The Osama & Bush thing works.

That would be more like nostradamus missed three letters,


osaMABUSh .... it wouldn't be the first time Nostradamus played with the letters a bit. He predicted Hitler, but in his quatrains he called him Hister. Close ... And perhaps Osama and Bush are so interrelated as far as world events that they mushed together in the prophecy. It could be. Prophecies are sneaky things.

It could be. It might not be. Time will tell.



posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
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It could be. It might not be. Time will tell.


Nostradamus left many messages which clearly indicate who the "armies of the antichrist and his predecesor would be."


By land, various Islamic armies (and their allies) might one day invade Turkey, Macedonia, Greece, Hungary, the former Yugoslavia, Austria, and eventually march towards Italy, attacking the Italians and other forces located there. From Italy, the invaders could then attack other nations in various parts of Europe. It appears that Greece might endure chemical or biological warfare in these conflicts (see quatrains #9-91, #5-47, and #6-21). Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, and Libya may attempt to vex Egypt by land. By sea, these same North African nations appear to invade the southern coastline of France, Monaco, and Spain (then deeper into Europe).

www.nostradamususa.com...

I kind of doubt Nostradamus left any room for errors on this one. Since the Communists are allies with extremist Islamic nations, and have said they will back the Islamic extremist nations over nations like the United States, it is clear that whoever Mabus is, is part of either the extremist Islamic armies, or the Communists.

Unless president Bush becomes a Communist, or he becomes a muslim and decides to embrace Islamic extremism I think it is clear he, and other leaders of the west who have not united with the Islamic nations, or with the Communists are out of the question.

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posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 08:48 PM
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Here is the prophecy of Nostradamus on the armies of the antichrist.


United forces of: arabians, russians (some countries of ex-USSR), and chinese armies will attack and invade West-Europe. They will occupied Germany attacking from 3 directions and will go forward, take over whole Europe till France. Just like in the WW2, France will hold on with 1/3 of the country. Rome will fail and the Vatican will move to Nice, where all the rest of the united european armies will have the headquarters. In the mean while an atomic bomb (was prepared for Great Britain) will fall into the North Sea and a big territory will come under the water (The Netherlands will disappear). Americans will wake up and will come to help Europe. This is the point where the war will turn the forces rapport. Slow but certain, the united west armies will pull the invaders back and finally win the war. The world will be almost destroyed by a comet (this will be the end of WW3). Then "the peace of 1000 years can begin".

members.chello.nl...


df1

posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
Remember, Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce both said that Russia would "appear" to stop being Communist for a while, but this would only be a trap for the west according to Cayce. Communism will reemerge with many people following it blindly. They also said Communist nations will unite with Islamic nations.


Edgar Cayce did not say that about Russia. What he did say about Russia is:


"[Through Russia], comes the hope of the world. Not in respect to what is sometimes termed Communism or Bolshevism -- no! But freedom -- freedom! That each man will live for his fellow man. The principle has been born there. It will take years for it to be crystallized; yet out of Russia comes again the hope of the world." link

About china Cayce says that it will become the "cradle of christianity".
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posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 11:06 PM
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Nostradamus' prophecies concerning the fall of Rome tie in nicely with those of Malachy and others.
Malachy only prophecised one more Pope after this one - Peter the Roman. Although there is some contention as to when Malachy's prophecies were written, they certainly aren't modern texts and are extremely accurate. There are plenty of threads here about that, but the timeline would fit with the idea that Mabus has or will very soon die.
Nostradamus says a 27 year war after the death of Mabus. We now have an elderly Pope at the vatican, so for Peter to lead his people after the destruction of Rome the death of Mabus has to happen soon, because Rome would then need to fall within the next 27 or so years.



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