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This is also the argument of the skeptics, that a NDE might occur when the brain is still active, only the patient feels it happened when they were dead....
Originally posted by Denied
reply to post by Odessy
Sorry i didnt mean to discount your post with my short reply in my above post, its just ive heard this argument before, against NDE's being a truly out of body experience, when the human body has died.
In a way, like you say, an out of body experience is what is created by '___', or even some sort of very vivid dream, but with some accounts, of specific items, words spoken, actions carried out, when the witness to these events is clinically dead, without a doubt, dead.
Can '___' allow this?
(with 100 mg, smoked) "As I exhaled I became terribly afraid, my heart very rapid and strong, palms sweating. A terrible sense of dread and doom filled me -- I knew what was happening, I knew I couldn't stop it, but it was so devastating; I was being destroyed -- all that was familiar, all reference points, all identity -- all viciously shattered in a few seconds. I couldn't even mourn the loss -- there was no one left to do the mourning. Up, up, out, out, eyes closed, I am at the speed of light, expanding, expanding, expanding, faster and faster until I have become so large that I no longer exist -- my speed is so great that everything has come to a stop -- here I gaze upon the entire universe."
American psychedelic pioneer and '___' guru Terence McKenna gave '___' to a Tibetan Buddhist monk, and after the experience was over, the monk told McKenna that it brought him to a place the Buddhists had seen many times through meditation, but he also stated that it was about as far as one could go into the Bardo and still return to the physical plane afterward. Jesus Christ and other biblical prophets used fasting and sleep deprivation to achieve mystical states and have the visions upon which the Bible is based. Sleep deprivation increases endogenous '___' levels, and this triggers these transcendent visions and religious experiences. Buddhists and Hindus have the same experiences through meditation, and the South American shamans use their sacred '___'-containing brews to break into the same space. The emerging networks of entheogenists within modern urban societies use '___' crystals with the same goal in mind. In this light, it seems clear that '___' is an integral part of all religion, whether or not it is acknowledged.
... i know there is plenty of speculation about the validity of NDE's ...