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posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 10:41 AM
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What I ask from someone on this forum is for them to explain why they believe there are aliens on this planet and there is a global conspiracy, not a fury of links to paranoics web pages. Why do YOU believe it.


This is a VERY valid question.

Why do I believe aliens have visited us?
Why do I believe a conspiracy exists to cover it up?

I've had ONE unidentified sighting in my life, but it was an extremely unsettling one. I've recounted it many times here on ATS, but in a nutshell, I'm a military brat...grown up around tarmacs all my life, seen all kinds of aircraft (and usually do pretty good in Waynos' guess this aircraft thread), etc. But, that night, I saw numerous "craft" fitting the standard saucer shape, brilliant lights, etc. that simply defy the appearance and performance of any known terrestrial craft.

So, the sighting (as a child) created an intense interest that compelled me to get my hands on and read every book, see every special, etc. on the subject. I quickly learned that there is about 95% crap to 5% of interesting cases in the field. However, those 5% are really intriguing, and compel many of us to look deeper. The research is what convinces me, more than my sighting. After all, it could always turn out that my sighting was a misidentification of something not yet released (though would be odd, as this was in the early 80's).

The government's own actions are really what convince me the most. In the 40's, our own government took the phenomenon VERY seriously as a threat to national security. Numerous projects and committees studied it, and all can be traced through a paper trail. For the most part, these early studies concluded a real threat, and the need for further study. The names of those involved in these studies are well known in UFOlogy, and include many scientists who later became UFOlogists themselves (such as Ruppelt or Hynek). The proven coverup (not proven it's a UFO, but proven there were coverups) of the Roswell case is a good illustration. Something crashed there, and the Mogul explanation doesn't fit the evidence, nor do other theories such as test aircraft, missile, etc. The Robertson Panel, closing of Blue Book, and other projects illustrate the new directive of establishing ridicule vs. an attempt at real explanation.

The Hill case is still one that amazes me the most. Betty drew a star map correctly identifying not only a star arrangement that exists, but one that isn't even viewable from her native hemisphere, and one that accurately depicts stars that weren't discovered till later, and correctly identifies those stars which are yellow, like our sun (something that also wasn't discovered till much later). So, there's no way she could have known unless she either is telling the truth, or somehow beat astronomical odds and just got "lucky" with a guess.

Then, there is the testimony of numerous highly credible witnesses from police officers to military officers (from sergeants to generals) regarding sightings, handling debris and technology, etc. that simply cannot be easily dismissed out of hand, especially with corraborating accounts.

Now, I'm not one to buy into folks saying they chat with aliens all the time. If that were true, would seem easy enough to prove it, so chucking those in the trash file folder....but there are many cases where the evidence is simply too compelling to not believe that something is going on.

Lastly, there is simple statistics. As large as we know the Universe to be, and we still presume we are underestimating, the odds are (pardon the pun) astronomical that we are alone as sentient beings. We're not in the oldest part of the Universe, and from our own technological advancement curve, we know that advancements are exponential, not linear, so it stands to reason that other beings have conquered interstellar travel and found our little mudball.....




posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 11:37 AM
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That's a good explaination^
I've also witnessed two unidentified 'UFOs' and being the skeptic that I am, I tried to investigate what kind of objects/aircraft would fit the description of what I saw, which were none. Atleast none that I know of.

I certainly believe there's something deep within the government that is keeping this UFO stuff under wraps, for whatever reason, I don't know. All I can do is speculate.

However as far as it being alien, I can't say it is or isn't. (Though personally I hope it is )


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posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 12:36 PM
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To Ed Littlefox & Gazrok: Thank you. I appreciate the two of you relating your experiences. I have experienced similar phenomena, and enjoy hearing genuine, unembellished, and candid responses such as these.

However, the responses go towards the questions, but not superpaul's grand point. You see, in this thread, and several others, he's talking more about people relating the experiences of others & relating the conclusions of others. It's a battle between "I believe because I have seen it first hand" versus the "I believe because David Icke says so and I read explanations on teh intarweb when I was bored".

Superpaul has asked over and over, here and elsewhere, for proof regarding a massive reptilian conspiracy. The "proofs" given include: people essentially calling him smallminded & dim, copious amounts of vague and unrelated biblical passages, someone telling him that everyone has a small snake in their butts, and a dozen other explanations. None of which include anyone mentioning anything that they can relate, reliably, first hand.

It seems to be that this proposition of 'Believer Syndrome' is valid. Some believe because they have seen things first hand, many others simply desperately want to see, but haven't so they create a story, and then delve deeper into other conspiracies. First its out of genuine curiousity and interest, then it snowballs, into almost an addiction and they're seeing phantoms lurking in every shadow.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 12:42 PM
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It's a battle between "I believe because I have seen it first hand" versus the "I believe because David Icke says so and I read explanations on teh intarweb when I was bored".


Coming from both groups, it's also from looking at the evidence there, and drawing your own conclusions, not just agreeing with the conclusions of others. That's why it's necessary to look at numerous sources, so you aren't trapped into just seeing what the particular researcher wants you to see.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 12:53 PM
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Valid point, however when looking at ATS as a whole, the volume alone of these claims prevents detailed analyses of all claims made here. And you know better than most how many "Proof positive!!!!111!" threads there are every week.

The problem is that without analysis, many points contained in these unvalidated claims are cherry picked by future posters, both here and on other sites. Several "theory" generations later, it reappears in modified form in other claims, which people begin to believe and take as "Conspiracy Gospel".

During 'The snowballing' of the unvalidated points, people begin to hear the same things over and over, and if it makes sense to them, they validate it without questioning it, and begin to think more about it.

Its a vicious circle of false info coming around and around and getting bigger and bigger. It isn't good for the community, and I think superpaul is trying to bring it to people's attention.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 06:00 PM
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Just to set the record straight, superpaul wasn't arguing the existence of aliens, but that they are running the world. Two very different things.


What I ask from someone on this forum is for them to explain why they believe there are aliens on this planet and there is a global conspiracy, not a fury of links to paranoics web pages. Why do YOU believe it.


Now I see many of you give personal account. I guess I should try to come up with counter points to the points that you have made.


Then i can ask you this; "Can you prove theres not?"


Alright, sorry to use such a cliche example, but I say that there is a flying spaghetti monster. Can you prove that there isn't one? Does that make it exist?


In the past people belived that Earth is a plane. Thats what they learned and was told by their "government" and religion for years. Then some guy showed up and said that Earth is not plane but its round (elipse) object. He was killed. Years passed by and it appears that he was right! But in that period of time it was just imposible to be. Same thing with theory of Sun orbiting arond Earth.


Contrary to popular belief, many civilizations knew that the world was round before Galileo and Columbus. Also, are you saying that people who know about this alien conspiracy were murdered? And if so, how come everyone on this forum isn't dead?


I often like to think, for example; Did people who lived in, lets say, in 17th century could imagine TV, phone, cars, space shuttles, computer, face on Mars, people walking on the moon(?), ect. I think not. However the material for making all those things was there. But simple they wasnt aware of it. I hope u getting a point.


30 years ago we couldn't imagine mp3 players, cars that park themselves, and cellphones that can play videos.



Imagine a fish in a fish tank in your room. U sat on the chair and observing a fish in a tank. Obseriving fishs behavior, food circles, resting time in castle on the bottom of the tank. Do you think that fish is aware of observer, you? I think not coz fish is on lower level of conciousness. The same thing is with water in the tank. Fish is aware of water around itself, but water is not aware of fish in it.


You claim that the fish isn't aware that the person is observing him. Im assuming were suppose to represent the fish and the person is the aliens. Then how are we aware of them?



now, no its not about us trying to make you believe (although some do),
it's about making you REALIZE what is up.
If you don't want to believe it, then i say fine, you can be subbern and not have an open mind.
Live your life of ignorance and pointless skepticsm for whatever purpose it serves.
because non your b.s. concerns me. and when you decide to debate the topic
or even begin to try to understand what "believers" are doing, you're only
going to make a fool of yourself.


We (skeptics) aren't trying to live in ignorance. We are tring to gather facts so we can come to logical conclusions so that we won't live obliviously.

Personally, and don't take this the wrong way, but I believe conspiracies are born from boredom. People come up with them to make life seem more interesting then it really is. But it isn't. Get over it. People see what they want to and ignore the rest. Its just human nature. It helps them feel good about themselves that they 'discovered' something but fail to present all the facts to make it look like they had a paranormal experience. Now dont get me wrong, aliens probably do exist. the universe is infinite, so its just mathmatical chance that there are others. Whether they are controlling our government or not is a different story, and is what superpaul asked in the first place. Just my 2 cents.

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posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 06:11 PM
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Does anyone else remember being in a closed circle of friends at school and talking about something and having someone outside the group step in and start attacking your theories?

I've always suspected it was because the group was getting too close to something, was too agreed in their opinions and needed to be balanced out by a catalyst of sorts.

Maybe that's all superpaul55 is doing here - stepping in and asking us to rethink we're some of us are going with our conclusions.

Heck - can't hurt to re-evaluate things like the whole theory of subversive alien control and dominance. Maybe we got that part all wrong and superpaul is just what we needed to get closer to Ultimate Truth...

(Personally, I am not of the belief of an "evil agenda"...tests, perhaps - but who here hasn't gotten along with a teacher or questioned a school administration's policies in some point in time?)

*two cents*



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by Reality Hurts
It's a battle between "I believe because I have seen it first hand" ....

Superpaul has asked over and over, here and elsewhere, for proof regarding .....


Superpaul has already stated that it is FACT that no proof exists. So he is asking for what he has already decided does not exist, hence he is not asking for proof, for it is already determined that it is FACT that no proof exists.



The "proofs" given include: people essentially calling him smallminded & dim, copious amounts of vague and unrelated biblical passages, ...., and a dozen other explanations. None of which include anyone mentioning anything that they can relate, reliably, first hand.

It seems to be that this proposition of 'Believer Syndrome' is valid. Some believe because they have seen things first hand, ....


I define "First hand" as being something else, i guess. The point i try to make in some of my posts is the FACT (*supported by medical research) that all human sensory input can not be first hand experiences if all sensory input is first delivered to the subconscious portions of the brain. By my accepted "definition" of "first hand" it would be the subconscious mind that has the "first hand" experience. Consciously, the individual has not experienced or witnessed (seen, touched, smelled, tasted, heard) anything "first hand", because the truth of it is filtered through the subconscious mind, which is only permitted to share with the conscious mind what the conscious mind is willing to accept. And SuperPaul is not willing to accept proof, because it is already FACT that no such proof does exist. Can you see the paradox that is relavent to the subject matter being discussed????



The "proofs" given include: people essentially calling him smallminded & dim, copious amounts of vague and unrelated biblical passages...


Of course their "unrelated bibilical passages". Why have you determined that they are "unrelated biblical passages"? Obviously because you have already decided that humanity alone is the source of the texts and verses in the bible, and even the accounts of the authors can not be trusted, because the stories concerning other worldly beings and messengers who influenced humanity were never real in the first place. You must have made these conclusions, and you personally must have already chosen to know this is true in order to refer to the verses as "unrelated".

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posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 10:28 AM
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I'm willing to accept reliable first hand accounts. I'd venture a guess that superpaul would at least listen.

And for the record "first hand" is defined here as: Obtained directly from the first or original source; hence, without the intervention of an agent; -- of information; as, a firsthand report; firsthand information; firsthand knowledge.

Meaning you experienced it through one of your 5 senses, i.e you saw it, you heard it, you touched it, you tasted it, or you smelled it.

"I think I felt it", "I thought it", "I read it in a 2000 year old heavily edited manuscript", and "I think I might have read something about it on the internet" are not viable first hand experiences to relate on this point.




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posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by Reality Hurts
I'm willing to accept reliable first hand accounts. I'd venture a guess that superpaul would at least listen.

And for the record "first hand" is defined here as: Obtained directly from the first or original source; hence, without the intervention of an agent; -- of information; as, a firsthand report; firsthand information; firsthand knowledge.


Peoples' "opinions" are the interventioning agent of information, since people are consciously aware of their "opinions", but usually do not recognize nor acknowledge what their "opinions" comprised of. People are usually conscious of their "opinions", but are not consciously aware of their unconscious, and their unconsious mind is what has the "first hand" experience of their sensory input, not their concsious minds. Hence, if people have a subconscious mind, they have no "first hand" experience.



Meaning you experienced it through one of your 5 senses, i.e you saw it, you heard it, you touched it, you tasted it, or you smelled it.


It is the unconscious mind that recieves the information of what you have saw, heard, touched, tasted, and smelled. Your conscious mind (where the "opinion" is) gets what it asks for from the subconscious mind. Therefore what a person has interpretted as what they have seen, heard, smelled, tasted, touched, is not first hand knowledge or experience. The subconscious mind has those memories.



"I think I felt it", "I thought it", "I read it in a 2000 year old heavily edited manuscript", and "I think I might have read something about it on the internet" are not viable first hand experiences to relate on this point.


what you have seen, smelled, touched, heard, and tasted are not viable first hand experiences, but rather how your opinion based conscious chooses to relate the incoming information that is most self serving, as dictated by the instinct genetically imbedded within each cell that says "self pre-serve".



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by Reality Hurts
I'd venture a guess that superpaul would at least listen.


What gives you the impression that superpaul is willing/capable of listening?

I do not share your enthusiastic optimism in regards to superpaul's willingness to at least listen, considering he has constantly demonstrated your "guess" to be inaccurate in this thread.

Please feel free to review through our posts, but this is what i am talking about:

Superpaul55:
"I shall ask you some specific questions then if your list is endless. I don't want evidence, just an answer:

1)What and when is the end goal of the global alien conspiracy?
2)Is it managed on this planet or elsewhere?
3)What physical attributes do the aliens have?


Esoteric Teacher:
1) Is there a global conspiracy?
Yes.

2) How has it come about?
Cause and effect, and effect and cause.

3) Why does it exist?
Neccessity.


Superpaul55:
1)What and when is the end goal of the global alien conspiracy?


Esoteric Teacher:
Do all humans have the same agenda? Yet, all alien conspiracies must have the same end goal. I assume this is your stance, considering how the question was worded.


Superpaul55:
2)Is it managed on this planet or elsewhere?


Esoteric Teacher:
I take it i can only pick one answer. one possibility offered to me by you is "this planet", and the other possibility offered to me by you is "elsewhere". My response to this question is: You have failed to ask the right question, or even offer an appropriate response.


Superpaul55:
3)What physical attributes do the aliens have?


Esoteric Teacher:
Aliens have all physical attributes that exist.


Superpaul55:
You know as well as I do that you have attempted to totally dodge the questions. This is not a game of politics, answer the questions:

1)What is the aim of the global conspriacy and on what date will it be complete.

2)Where are the aliens.

3)In what form are the aliens.


Esoteric Teacher, you are trying to go off point and it is simply not going to happen. Answer my questions please.

Esoteric, you are not going to get me off point. Please answer the three questions:

1)What is the aim of the global conspriacy and on what date will it be complete.

2)Where are the aliens.

3)In what form are the aliens.


Esoteric Teacher:
What question have i avoided?


Superpaul55:
1. What is your proof of their being an global alien conpsiracy?


Esoteric Teacher:
Language. Human behavior. History. Truth.


Superpaul55:
2. What is their main objective?


Esoteric Teacher:
Why am i expected to speak for the lifeforms of every other race on every other planet? Where is it i claim to have such authority to do so? Not even GOD (if you believe in God) claims to have that authority. hence the term "Free Will". I don't claim to speak for all life everywhere. But i strongly suspect objectives differ. Individual races do not always have the same objectives. This should be self-evident in humans, since humans don't seem to agree on earth's objectives. Yet, you request a human to define the objectives for every other race throughout all creation, when people can't efficiently agree upon what earth's objectives are. Their objectives are more than likely dependant upon what it is they percieve they need. Their needs are dependant upon what their truth is. Truth is probably their first objective. Communication and the quest for "truth compliance" probably tops the list as well.


Superpaul55:
3. What do they look like?


Esoteric Teacher:
Exactly what people have been saying. Life does not look the same on this planet, so why should i attempt to generalize what "they" look like? Humans don't even know how diverse life is on earth yet. This is like asking me what earthlings look like. If i were to discribe an octopuss or sea urchant, would i be wrong in my description? I'm not dodging the question. I'm saying that the question is under-developed.


Superpaul55:
Esoteric, you have still failed in anyway whatsoever to define.

1)A date and purpose of the global alien conspiracy.
2)What an alien looks like.

Everyone around here can see you have attempted numerous times to avoid answering questions proposed to you if they read the posts. I have concluded that you cannot answer the questions and thank you for your time. Have fun discussing telepathic gorillas.


Esoteric Teacher:
No, i have not failed. You are mistaken.

"1)A date and purpose of the global alien conspiracy."
The only answer you are currently willing to accept is a specific date and you are also only willing to accept that there is only one agenda. Any reply to the contrary is not accepted "in anyway whatsoever" by you as a sufficient response. It is apparent that unless the answer conforms to your expectations, then the answer is not sufficient for you. Unless i can offer one date, and one conspiracy, you are consistantly unwilling to accept my reply to this inquiry. MY RESPONSE HAS BEEN FOR OVER A YEAR ON THIS SIGHT THAT NO ONE PERSON NOR ONE ORGANIZATION HAS THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION. The date is determined by humanity's intentions. Humanity's intentions are reflective of their actions and behaviors. So, in effect it is you who also determines the date, and it is you who are part of the conspiracy. So, what is your agenda? Answer this question, and perhaps we will know more about a proposed "global alien conspiracy". If this reply fails to meet your expectations for a "definition" you are willing to accept, then perhaps you should re-evaluate your expectations.

"2)What an alien looks like."
Using earth as a model we can expect to find that all life throughout the universe also has absolutley no diversity whatsoever. All aliens must conform to one definition of what they look like. Any other response will be catagorized as "a falure" to provide a suitable response. So i hereby concede that i have failed to answer your question, since the response would not conform to your expectations.

Superpaul55:
1)A date and purpose of the global alien conspiracy.
2)What an alien looks like.


Esoteric Teacher:
1) No one person knows the date. there are organizations with differing agendas.
2) Life throughout all existance is even more diverse than the life on earth.


Superpaul55:
I see you have returned Esoteric. Well done, you have dodged the questions yet again.


Esoteric Teacher:
How so?


Superpaul55:
Everyone can see this.


Esoteric Teacher:
You speak for everyone?


Superpaul55:
You don't seem to have answers, so don't pretend to. You have successfully turned the thread into a grammatical exercise for yourself.


Esoteric Teacher:
Funny.


Superpaul55:
Esoteric, please answer the questions.


Esoteric Teacher:
What questions have i not supplied a reply for?


Superpaul55:
*** Response pending as to what questions i have not replied to ***

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** Cliff Note SUMMARY of "discussion" thus far:



Superpaul55:
"I shall ask you some specific questions then if your list is endless. I don't want evidence, just an answer:

1)What and when is the end goal of the global alien conspiracy?
2)Is it managed on this planet or elsewhere?
3)What physical attributes do the aliens have?



Esoteric Teacher's response:
1) Is there a global conspiracy?
Yes.

2) How has it come about?
Cause and effect, and effect and cause.

3) Why does it exist?
Neccessity



Superpaul55:
Esoteric, you have still failed in anyway whatsoever to define.

1)A date and purpose of the global alien conspiracy.
2)What an alien looks like.

Everyone around here can see you have attempted numerous times to avoid answering questions proposed to you if they read the posts.


Esoteric Teacher:
"1)A date and purpose of the global alien conspiracy."
The only answer you are currently willing to accept is a specific date and you are also only willing to accept that there is only one agenda. Any reply to the contrary is not accepted "in anyway whatsoever" by you as a sufficient response. It is apparent that unless the answer conforms to your expectations, then the answer is not sufficient for you. Unless i can offer one date, and one conspiracy, you are consistantly unwilling to accept my reply to this inquiry. MY RESPONSE HAS BEEN FOR OVER A YEAR ON THIS SIGHT THAT NO ONE PERSON NOR ONE ORGANIZATION HAS THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION. The date is determined by humanity's intentions. Humanity's intentions are reflective of their actions and behaviors. So, in effect it is you who also determines the date, and it is you who are part of the conspiracy. So, what is your agenda? Answer this question, and perhaps we will know more about a proposed "global alien conspiracy". If this reply fails to meet your expectations for a "definition" you are willing to accept, then perhaps you should re-evaluate your expectations.

"2)What an alien looks like."
Using earth as a model we can expect to find that all life throughout the universe also has absolutley no diversity whatsoever. All aliens must conform to one definition of what they look like. Any other response will be catagorized as "a falure" to provide a suitable response. So i hereby concede that i have failed to answer your question, since the response would not conform to your expectations.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by Reality Hurts
I'd venture a guess that superpaul would at least listen.


What gives you the impression that superpaul is willing/capable of listening?



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 01:25 PM
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Superpaul55:
1)A date and purpose of the global alien conspiracy.
2)What an alien looks like.

Esoteric Teacher:
1) No one person knows the date. there are organizations with differing agendas.
2) Life throughout all existance is even more diverse than the life on earth.

Superpaul55:
Well done, you have dodged the questions yet again.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 01:43 PM
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So thats a "No, I cannot provide reliable first hand experiences". I can handle that. No need to be so overly verbose.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by Reality Hurts
So thats a "No, I cannot provide reliable first hand experiences". I can handle that. No need to be so overly verbose.


How can my personal experiences be a reliable first hand experience for you if you did not experience them first hand?

So without being all "verbose" my first hand experiences cannot be your first hand experiences, so: NO, i can not offer you my first hand experiences as you will not adopt them as your first hand expereinces since you are not the one who experienced them first hand. Therefore you can not accept them as first hand experiences since you did not experience them first hand.



No need to be so overly verbose.


I only re-stated the same thing i've been saying. I said the same thing 3 pages ago on page 5, but that was either not read or not accepted by you.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by Reality Hurts
I'd venture a guess that superpaul would at least listen.

And for the record "first hand" is defined here as: Obtained directly from the first or original source; hence, without the intervention of an agent; -- of information; as, a firsthand report; firsthand information; firsthand knowledge.


What would compell me to share my personal "first hand" experiences here?

I mean, i most certainly am not as important as the only leader in the world to have the atomic bomb at the time when he said:
"I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they are real, are not constructed by any power on earth."

If this is not accepted as a "first hand" experience or even considered as evidence, then surely whatever i say is even less meaningfull to the author of this thread.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 05:17 PM
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Feel free to tell your first hand experiences. Remember what "first hand'' means- something you experienced yourself via your 5 senses.

Now please stop trying to divert the subject.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
So without being all "verbose" my first hand experiences cannot be your first hand experiences, so: NO, i can not offer you my first hand experiences as you will not adopt them as your first hand expereinces since you are not the one who experienced them first hand. Therefore you can not accept them as first hand experiences since you did not experience them first hand.


You don't happen to write for theonion.com do you? 'Cause that's hilariously satirical.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by Reality Hurts
Feel free to tell your first hand experiences.


I am waiting for such a day to arrive. And i am not free to tell, that is dependant upon the mentallity of many others.



Remember what "first hand'' means- something you experienced yourself via your 5 senses.


I am far more curious as to why people can not admit to themselves the root cause of why they can not believe the hundreds of thousands of other first hand accounts provided over the span of human history. Tell me what makes their first hand experiences untrustworthy first, because i don't want to make the same mistake they made.



Now please stop trying to divert the subject.


My replies have been consistant. the inquiries have changed, and the perameters of the dialogue have as well.

I am not diverting the subject. I'm attempting to focus others' attentions towards the fact that more than enough evidence exists without my testimonials. But, the FACT is that some have already determined (no matter what) that no evidence exists.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
I am far more curious as to why people can not admit to themselves the root cause of why they can not believe the hundreds of thousands of other first hand accounts provided over the span of human history. Tell me what makes their first hand experiences untrustworthy first, because i don't want to make the same mistake they made.


Gee, I dunno'. Maybe its the hundreds of thousands of firsthand accounts about fairies, elves, gnomes, dwarves, giants, dragons, succubus, incubus, witches, ogres.



I'm attempting to focus others' attentions towards the fact that more than enough evidence exists without my testimonials.


Many of us only see evidence that something is going on, and the U.S. government may be withholding what it knows. The evidence shows that something odd is occurring, apparently sane, trustworthy people are witnessing these occurrences, and the government may be complicit in some type of coverup. There is no real evidence that extraterrestrial craft travel to this planet from some extrasolar location. There is no real evidence that extraterrestrial beings walk upon our planet.



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