Originally posted by Alexander the o.k.
So, he didn't actually lie outright, he, let us say, "equivicated".
Keep in mind this is from the Public Affairs Coordinator, not the director.
You have to parse Gov speak in order to get real meaning out of it.
Try this experiment:
Write him back, or call with this reply " Scott, where are the archived pics of luna from the 30's 40's and 50's kept. What address ? "
This is a specific question(s) which should force a specific response.

Sorry I missed this one... this thread has been inactive for some time... We already found reference to some lunar images from Palomar so that is a good idea and I will follow up...

As a matter of fact we did just that at the Lick observatory... That little run around will be a new thread soon... and we were right there in their office asking for the archives..

This is covered in Ingo Swann's book 'Penetration...'

Have that in PDF will look it up or ask John...

Reminder;
Nasa is no longer a civilian agency, and hasn't been for some time.
Guess under whose control it is?

That one is easy DoD I have the documents

All revealing pics would fall under 'national security', and be exempt from public disclosure.

So I have mentioned, but the skeptics cry foul at that LOL

Ah... but your idea of going outside NASA is brilliant!

Thanks most of my search lately has been DOD LANL LLNL AFRL and various .mil sites. I KNOW I have pinged them all and am being watched

And right here in the treads and I have proof of that

Great idea, by the way of contacting foreign observatories.
I think you'll get farther, much faster with them.

Alas no no results yet We have one pending in Bulgaria with a 72 inch scope for November but so far we suddenly have not heard back

If they're doing all of these things on the near side, then the far side must be one heck of a party!

That "thing" in the middle of large craters comes from the impact.

Imagine a drop of water hitting a surface of a larger amount of water in a cup or something.

If you've seen slow-motion movies there will be a 'squirt' upward in the middle of the 'crater' just after the drop impacts. This is due to fluid mechanics of mostly incompressible media.

The same thing happens with asteroids. The rocks are quickly vaporized and liquified and even on a titanic scale it 'squirts' up and then freezes back into rock.

Originally posted by Alexander the o.k.Nasa is a proven hoaxter, fraud, and a manipulator of public opinion/trust. Proven.
Why anyone would trust their 'released' data on ET, the moon, mars or even the weather.... is a mystery.

Hi Alexander

What data have they released on ET? Are you talking about micro-organisms?

Originally posted by GeeGee

Originally posted by Alexander the o.k.Nasa is a proven hoaxter, fraud, and a manipulator of public opinion/trust. Proven.
Why anyone would trust their 'released' data on ET, the moon, mars or even the weather.... is a mystery.

Hi Alexander

What data have they released on ET? Are you talking about micro-organisms?

G,
Sorry. Imprecise there.
ANY 'released data', you can be sure, is not raw data. Raw data = real data. Face on mars, case in point. Where is every and I mean every Hi res frame from the LO's, Apollo, Clem, etc. ? Why only release low res?

What you can be sure of, is that it (nasa data) is screened, massaged, manipulated, censored, and otherwise so corrupted, as to be meaningless and devoid of any REAL content.
Other than what is proscribed by the 'management'.

In other words, if they scoff at the face on mars, laugh off the question of ET, etc. then you can be sure that there is something real there.
Proven.
By Hoagland, Mcdaniel, Van flandern, and many others.
Don't get me wrong. I love to listen to Lear, but I'm talking about credentialed scientists, and real reasearchers.
You think (man is warming the entire planet or AGW) global warming is real ?
More nasa manipulation.
ET is laughable?
Same.



[edit on 2-10-2007 by Alexander the o.k.]

Originally posted by zorgon Write him back, or call with this reply " Scott, where are the archived pics of luna from the 30's 40's and 50's kept. What address ? "
This is a specific question(s) which should force a specific response.

We already found reference to some lunar images from Palomar so that is a good idea and I will follow up...

Of course you did. And you will find more as time goes by.
If my hunch is correct (and I think it is... nasa has not got around to 'touching up' most of these pics). Try Keck as well, but you'll have less luck there as it's a newer facility. I think you'll have better luck at some of the telescopes at some of the universities in colorado, and midwest as well.

As a matter of fact we did just that at the Lick observatory... That little run around will be a new thread soon... and we were right there in their office asking for the archives..

BRAVO!

Great idea, by the way of contacting foreign observatories.
I think you'll get farther, much faster with them.

Alas no no results yet We have one pending in Bulgaria with a 72 inch scope for November but so far we suddenly have not heard back

keep trying. Sometimes it's all in the approach, as in: "we are doing a documentary in the U.S. on the excellence of lunar photography in the 50' and 60's in your country " etc. (flattery will get you everywhere...)

Keep it up.
There's more. But it's not easy.

Originally posted by mbkennel
Imagine a drop of water hitting a surface of a larger amount of water in a cup or something.

A drop of water huh? Hmmm well gee maybe you have something there...

But ummmm could you be so kind as to show me how that drop of water would do this?




Or perhaps this one?




Thank...

Originally posted by Alexander the o.k.
The image boys at the touchup lab, are either incompetant boobs, (read Gov employee), or they were slipping us some real info.

I will choose option "B"

As a case in point, check on High priest Hansen at NASA who is singlehandedly fudging "global warming" data to the point that it is criminal.

Hansen? It was a Hansen we ran into at the Lick... it was a Hansen that wrote the book in the late 1800's on the atmosphere and colony on the moon and he was a respected Astronomer and published fellow of the Royal Academy... until that guy (forget his name of hand) at the Naval Observatory said his data was all wrong...

I will check that link... thanks

Not to this extreme, but we CAN get the word out.

Since I started this 'quest' a little over a year ago... things have happened...

I started for fun looking for anomalies in John Lear's moon pictures... interested but skeptical about much of what John had to say...

By about page 10 you can see my tone change... since then my emails have been filled with letters from some amazing sources... and you might be surprised at the positions some here hold...(I take that back YOU would not be surprised )

A few months ago we had a 'visitor' from a 3 letter company... he spent three days with John and myself...

This thread actually came a s a result of an inside link to these images two weeks before they were made public... quite a scoop for us and ATS, yet few people caught on that we have had these high color high res images available since 1994... (I guess they needed 12 years to edit them )

Why anyone would trust thier 'released' data on ET, the moon, mars or even the weather.... is a mystery.

No mystery at all 85% of people just don't really care and are happy to look at pretty pictures and accept the standard line as the norm... so long as it doesn't affect there view of the world

We have found NASA has three faces
A) The public press release... for the sheep
B) The scientific data - public but hard to find hours of digging through thousand page tech reports for little scraps - but they ARE there 'hidden in plain site'
C) The military aspect... Even von Braun quit after he knew NASA's goal was to arm space...

Since that day I started "Pegasus Research Consortium" and now there is no turning back...

We are drawing real scientist to our fold and they all recently agreed we are at a point that I can post a member list with real names and positions.

The reason is that we take care to back up as much as possible with links to official sources... in otherwords we take it seriously...

Might not be right on everything, but that is okay

As to that 'some may be trying to help' Well I have several sources now that are very highly place that are sharing some amazing info. (well within the bounds of any secret documents they may or may not have signed )

But one thing weird is happening...

Before when I would search 'google' it would take a long time to hit what I was seeking endless blogs websites threads...

Now when I do a search... my first hit is directly to a pdf or doc and most of the time it has a .mil ending

I have no proof, but I get the feeling a 'block' has been removed from my IP address or I am tied into the Matrix



Just a hunch

[edit on 3-10-2007 by zorgon]

The Moon looks like a gorgeous place full of color to me in many places. I can't wait to see the thread on the Lick Run-In.

Originally posted by infinite8
The Moon looks like a gorgeous place full of color to me in many places. I can't wait to see the thread on the Lick Run-In.

Actually I will make the time to put that together tomorrow...

I just need to get a role of film developed I need the ravens LOL

Originally posted by Alexander the o.k.
In other words, if they scoff at the face on mars, laugh off the question of ET, etc. then you can be sure that there is something real there.
Proven.
By Hoagland, Mcdaniel, Van flandern, and many others.
Don't get me wrong. I love to listen to Lear, but I'm talking about credentialed scientists, and real reasearchers.
You think (man is warming the entire planet or AGW) global warming is real ?
More nasa manipulation.
ET is laughable?
Same.

I totally agree. I still don't understand how some people can't at least question what NASA is doing. The truth is obscure and the lie has become the norm.

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Alexander the o.k.
The image boys at the touchup lab, are either incompetant boobs, (read Gov employee), or they were slipping us some real info.

By about page 10 you can see my tone change... since then my emails have been filled with letters from some amazing sources... and you might be surprised at the positions some here hold...(I take that back YOU would not be surprised )

What attracted these amazing sources to you. The subject matter?

A few months ago we had a 'visitor' from a 3 letter company... he spent three days with John and myself...

A 3 letter Agency? It's been my observation that any time these goons get in your face, they do so for two reasons:

1-Orders to do so

2- Spread Disinfo. But. Knowing that there are kernals of truth in the disinfo, all you have to do is sift out the gold nuggets. Sometimes, no easy task.

This thread actually came a s a result of an inside link to these images two weeks before they were made public... quite a scoop for us and ATS, yet few people caught on that we have had these high color high res images available since 1994... (I guess they needed 12 years to edit them )

Which ones?
Is there a link?

No mystery at all 85% of people just don't really care and are happy to look at pretty pictures and accept the standard line as the norm... so long as it doesn't affect there view of the world

Agreed.

We have found NASA has three faces
A) The public press release... for the sheep
B) The scientific data - public but hard to find hours of digging through thousand page tech reports for little scraps - but they ARE there 'hidden in plain site'
C) The military aspect... Even von Braun quit after he knew NASA's goal was to arm space...

AGreed

Since that day I started "Pegasus Research Consortium" and now there is no turning back...

What is this? I will google it.

We are drawing real scientist to our fold and they all recently agreed we are at a point that I can post a member list with real names and positions.

As to that 'some may be trying to help' Well I have several sources now that are very highly place that are sharing some amazing info. (well within the bounds of any secret documents they may or may not have signed )

I hope it's REAL info?

But one thing weird is happening...

Now when I do a search... my first hit is directly to a pdf or doc and most of the time it has a .mil ending

I have no proof, but I get the feeling a 'block' has been removed from my IP address or I am tied into the Matrix

Keep yhat Disinfo filter changed every 3000 miles...

All pictures posted by Zorgon all along the thread are not accessible anymore...

Hmm the colours shown here would suggest that John Lears safron sky theory may not be that far out.

Do you have these pictures elsewhere?

I actually came across this thread while looking on thelivingmoon and all the links in the OP of this thread are not available. I also clicked the link in the OP to thelivingmoon and it isn't available either.


Thanks Zorgon.

Well now I see them a few posts above mine.



So NM

Weird! None of your links doesnt seem to work anymore..