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Originally posted by Lupe_101
"Do you realize who these people are?"
no. do you?
oh hang on, I get it, you've decided they're evil terrorists based on....er.....um......well they look foreign
fact is these people could be anyone, could be innocents like the 5 who were recently released from camp X-Ray recently because it turned out they were just civillians regardless of the fact that they'd been held in conditions like these (which btw violate the geneva convention) without trial since 2001.
Originally posted by Lupe_101
the point is that we can't conclude a person is a terrorist just by putting them in the prison position and fatigues.
as the arrests made right after Sep 11 clearly demonstrated.
Originally posted by Lupe_101
Its tricky John, the whole problem seems to be that we can't define wether this is a war or not, it gets especially sticky if we go into Iraq.
Americas justified its treatment of civillians and combatants by claiming that this isn't a war in the accepted definition, these are terrorists not Prisoners of war and as such are not subject to the geneva convention.
Legally (however much I deplore this twisting of words) they can pretty much do what they want (including shipping them off to countries where torture is an acceptable way to gather intel)
The real problem I have is that this further diminishes our moral high ground, say we manage to kill a # load of terrorists, so what if our methods make us as deplorable as those we are attempting to subdue.
The hypocracy in this war is reaching disgusting levels.
Originally posted by Lupe_101
Americas justified its treatment of civillians and combatants by claiming that this isn't a war in the accepted definition, these are terrorists not Prisoners of war and as such are not subject to the geneva convention.
Originally posted by Lupe_101
its called hooding Q.O.
as you know full well.
Its an intimidation and torture device outlawed by the U.N and the U.S. because of the cruelty.
see, in the case of the war against terrorism we no longer have to behave like a civilised country we're pretty much doing what the hell we want.
Originally posted by Fantastic_Damage
Held without charge, without name disclosure, and without a time for realease.
Sorry but I don't want my government to have the power to do that to anyone, because it would give them the power to potentially do it to me.
Snivelling? I'm sorry, but this is just another baby step to totalitarianism.