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Does the future belong to China or Europe?

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posted on Dec, 17 2006 @ 07:31 PM
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It all comes down to Technology and Knowledge.

Who has it and who has the most will be the ones to dominate this century. With the decline in Western education comes the specter of trying to remain competitive.

This is becomes harder every day.

There is a new phenomenon happening that is quite weird that may be a harbinger of things to come. This phenomenon is called Medical Refugees.

I don't believe that domination will be as all encompassing as that of the current regime. I see our world entering a multi-polar geopolitical landscape with many shifting of alliances will happen and some nations will leapfrog other long dominant ones, others will fall behind further and others will notch into "among the 1st world nations" comfortably for the first time in a looong time.

Which countries will that be?

Well I'd guess that the UAE might become a major player eventually. Or they might be the first to fall prey to instability caused by Oil depletion and war in the region. Only time can tell. I wouldn't count out Europe and Russia though.
China is tricky to predict. Always has been, always will be. There "One Child Per Family" law is going to have consequences far greater then we all can predict right now. Open revolt in the not so distant future is possible. Millions of young men of fighting age without wives is not a good thing. Especially if they start organizing.

All IMHO of course


[edit on 17-12-2006 by sardion2000]




posted on Dec, 17 2006 @ 09:27 PM
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posted by sardion2000

Technology and Knowledge. Who has it the most will be the ones to dominate this century. I see our world entering a multi-polar geopolitical landscape with shifting alliances and some nations will leapfrog others . . I'd guess that the UAE might become a major player. Or they might be the first to fall to instability caused by Oil depletion and war in the region. [Edited by Don W]



UAE. 31,000 square miles. Slightly smaller than Maine. Arable land, less than 1%, or a bit less than 200,000 acres - 80,000 hectares. Population, 2.6 million (2005). GDP per person, $45,200. National holiday, Dec. 2, 1971, is independence day from the UK. With their great wealth, I can see UAE being a shining light example, but with fewer than 3 million people, they cannot become a major player. As for Russia - the RF - it has always been too cold! Although RF is said to be #2 to Saudi Arabia in oil reserves the fields have been neglected since Dr. Armand Hammer died in the 1950s. Plus, the RF is playing with its fossil fuels in an irresponsible way which means countries now dependant on the RF will be looking for alternate sources of energy sooner than otherwise would have been the case. The RF has not yet digested its new position in the world. It is a non player and getting worse.



China is tricky to predict. Always has been, always will be. Their "One Child Per Family" law is going to have consequences far greater then we can predict. Open revolt in the not so distant future is possible. Millions of young men of fighting age without wives is not a good thing. Especially if they start organizing. All IMHO of course . . “



It seems to me the 1 family 1 child policy has worked. China should level off at just under 1.5 billion. Without that policy it is very difficult to imagine the problems China would have faced. With 3 times the land area of India a simple comparison between the two countries in 2006 shows how wise that policy was. India is in deep trouble because it cannot get a handle on its population. Indonesia, Nigeria, and other countries are not far behind. The earth’s population is expected to level off at 8 billion.

Unfortunately, I am persuaded the earth cannon support more than 2 billion people in any semblance of a style we Westerners would accept, over the long haul. These issues will come to the fore in the second half of this century.

You better hope the NPT has been enforced or the poor will blackmail the rich into feeding them. It has to come. Hey, it’s only fair. Everybody gets the same number of calories per day.



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 03:54 AM
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posted by looofo
I'm not sure Europe invests much in schools and technology


Shows what you know then.. The UK alone spends 5.6 % GDP on education. That translates into $99,792,000,000 of your Mickey Mouse Dollars. Or put another way, thats roughly $10,000/child a year. Not to bad, if you ask me. Some of the best private schools cost less.. I hear the French and Germans spend more...


posted by ape
based on europes history and massive differences I have a hard time seeing them remaining a bloc, something is going to happen here something is going to seperate that union I just dont know what because there are so many things that could cause it.


Ok..... Living in cloud coocko land I see... We all get on fine, no matter what you Yanks "think" is going on. The EU is going no-where.


posted by ape
this may sound harsh but european countries have been the sole cause of the 2 great world wars and a holocaust and that was just in the 20th century. I have a very uneasy feeling about europe being considered a 'superpower', I dont think they can handle it.


Oh, thats nice.. Blame the WW on Europe. Cheers
.. So everyone in europe is to blame for the War? No mention of the Japanese, the Russians, or American involvement? Nice rose tinted glasses you have there. And you say American Education is the best....


Not to mention the fact we have already been there and done that whole "superpower" thing. We got tired of it



posted by semperfoo
No way in hell this experiment last. There are alot of unhappy customers in the EU right now.


And you know this, how, exactly? everyone I speak to couldn't care less about who apologises for who. It's just the in thing with politicians at the mo, to go around apologising and making grandiose, humanitarian speeches.

Honestly, you Yanks bitch about "American haters", but when it boils down to it, you're hypocrites. Bitching at every opportunity you can to put Europe down.

What do you know? Nothing. You don't live here and 2 weeks in London or Paris during the summer does not count. It's exactly the same argument you use against anyone criticising the US.



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 07:43 AM
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posted by stumason



posted by ape

This may sound harsh but European countries have been the sole cause of the 2 great world wars and a Holocaust and that was just in the 20th century. I have a very uneasy feeling about Europe being considered a 'superpower,' I don’t think they can handle it.


Oh, that’s nice.. Blame the WW on Europe. Cheers .. So everyone in Europe is to blame for the War? No mention of the Japanese, the Russians, or American involvement? Nice rose tinted glasses you have there. And you say American Education is the best....Honestly, you Yanks bitch about "American haters," but when it boils down to it, you're hypocrites. Bitching at every opportunity you can to put Europe down.

What do you know? Nothing. You don't live here and 2 weeks in London or Paris during the summer does not count. It's exactly the same argument you use against anyone criticizing the US. [Edited by Don W]



Miscellany. It’s my view that prior to the 1950s, most European countries were mainly homogeneous, whereas, today, those countries resemble the United States by being a lot more heterogeneous. Until recently, people of African descent (13%) were the #2 ethnicity here. Around 2000, people of Hispanic origins took over that spot and number about 14%. I think people of Asian origins number about 5% of the populace, and of European origins, the remainder, allowing less than 1% for native peoples. 67%.

I do not know if the estimated 11-14 million undocumented workers said to reside in the US of A, are included in any of those numbers. I do know that not one of them has ever been arrested as a terrorist. Which ought to be worth something? Last week’s big ICE - Immigration and Customs Enforcement - bust at 6 Swift and Co. meat packing plants, the #2 in the US, of 1,100 illegal workers, netted 70 workers using stolen social security cards. What we now call ‘Identity Theft,’ ranked 2nd or 3rd behind child porn as a serious crime. We who live in a country which denounces a national identity card. Note: None of the illegal workers were accused of theft, they had purchased the cards from others.

Oh, FYI, no one in management or ownership of Swift and Co. was sought or arrested. I thought it took 2 to tango? Look at the “donations” to GOP Political Action Committees and candidates for a clue. Unfortunately, such centers of wealth also make donations to the Dems. Its often a 2 to 1 ratio. 2 to the winners, 1 to the losers. As they say, “it keeps a lid on things.” We do indeed, have the Best Government Money Can Buy!

About 1% of Americans hold to the Islamic faith and are almost entirely of Middle East origins, a fair number from Iran. Aside: glancing through history recently, I learned the Persian shah was so enamored with Hitler that in 1935, he changed his country’s name to Iran, the anglicized version of the German for Aryan.

Because of our Government’s senseless antipathy for Fidel Castro, we have encouraged (illegal) immigration to America - Florida - by Cubans. Those people now number more than a half million and are led by opportunists - like Ahmed Chalabi who claimed to speak for Iraq - but which serves well the official US anti-socialism position in the Western Hemisphere. Yet those same people in our government support Israel which is also a socialist state. I don’t call them hypocrites because I am not convinced our governmental officials are aware of this.

A sad note. After the election of Manuel Ortega in Nicaragua last month, Bush43, Attorney General Gonzales and the Oberfuhrer, Herr Rumsfeld, quietly resurrected the infamous US Army School of the Americas. Graduates of the said school gained notoriety in Guatemala in the 1980s when they ‘baptized’ 4 Marymount nuns in an uncovered septic tank, before raping then garrotting them to death. Some alumnus.

Under our newly christened and so-called Homeland Security Department - we flinch from the name Ministry of the Interior - so undemocratic - the US Customs Service and the Immigration and Naturalization Service - old INS - were merged into a new and more expensive ICE to regulate both goods and people coming into the US. An unlikely and not complimentary assignment, if you ask me.


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posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 07:05 PM
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The decline of the dollar is directly related to us using our great wealth for the crusades. If we would have left well enough alone in the Middle East then everyone would have been happy to buy oil in dollars.

Now that we have become so unpredictable with our military and the world sees what we do when a nation state tries to switch to the Euro we are going to be punished. The only reason we went into Iraq is because Sadam was the first to switch from Dollars to Euros in oil trading.

The question still remains. What do we do when the word decides to wreck our great nation through a dollar collapse? Do we bite back or pick up the pieces and rebuild our economy without war?

I say we need to take back the country when it collapses and put it back the way it was. Money backed by gold and never go off that standard again.

Recent News for your Reading Horror below.

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Final Warning
At least Real Estate will be a good buy if you have the gold?

EU Sounds Warning

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ape

posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 08:20 PM
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originally posted by stumason
Not to mention the fact we have already been there and done that whole "superpower" thing. We got tired of it


actually after centuries of constant war once europe was more advanced in technology all they did was manage to find more ways to brutally kill each other, the only reason the UK and all those other empires are gone is because of the world wars that made them bankrupt, they all lost alot of territory and alot of territory was transformed. so no infact no you didn't get tired of it you simply could not afford it, along with all the infrastructure damage and the 10's of millions of deaths.

stumason where did the first 2 world wars originate? also world war 2 didn't start until germany invaded poland and then once again europe was engaged with itself, this time causing over 60 million deaths including a holocaust, germany is a european country and invaded poland before russia joined in hence a european country instigated another world war, thats why I made that comment, japan was germanys ally, but world war 2 was not declared because of the actions of the japanes nor the russians. no need to get hostile it's only the truth. you're from the UK yet you dont even know it's history of europe? brutal continent.







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posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 02:09 PM
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posted by ape


posted by stumason
Not to mention the fact we have already been there and done that whole "superpower" thing. We got tired of it . .


“ . . After centuries of war Europe was more advanced in technology all they did was manage to find more ways to brutally kill each other, the only reason the UK and all those other empires are gone is because of the World Wars made them bankrupt . . “


Not just bankrupt in money, but ‘broke’ in men, too. It is said France lost 1/3rd of its men of marriageable age in the 1914-1918 era. Which the resulting demographics are seriously effecting France today. 2006. The others lost about 1/4th of their young men. And are also feeling the same consequences. Although the young men were long ago KIA, they were buried by the 10s of 1000s in long rows in cemeteries all over northern France, a white cross to remind people every day of the futility of war. We don’t have that in America. The young women who never got married, nor had children, are still alive today, well, some of them are, but their daughters-in-spirit if not by blood, are very much alive today. We don’t have that here, either.



Stumason, where did the 2 World Wars originate? World War 2 causing over 60 million deaths including the Holocaust . . Europe . . a brutal continent. [Edited by Don W]



OK, Mr Ape, but look at this. Europe is made up of how many distinct peoples? From Dublin and Gibraltar in the west, to the Urals in the east, how many languages and how many cultures do you have? We don’t have that in America. Ireland, the UK, then Norway, Sweden, Finland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Russia, Ukraine , Moldova, Belarus, well, I could go on, but you get the point. And in somewhat more ancient times, there have been serious religious differences that brought on conflicts. We have had none of that here. The Americas south of the Rio Grande are united by language and religion if not by borders. Brazil and the 3 countries on north east Atlantic coast and Belize in the Caribbean excluded, language-wise. Whatever excesses of the past we want to blame on Europeans, I think they have fully reformed and are not likely to ever repeat the mistakes of the last century.

As for the failure of empires, there were many reasons why those ended in the mid-20th century. Not the least of which was a new consciousness on the part of the Europeans, questioning the underlying dogma vis a vis colonial peoples. The colonial people themselves were pressing for a dramatically new relationship from the empires, demanding at a minimum, reigning in the economic exploitive aspects, such as limiting markets and sources and so on. Then came M.K. Gandhi, the Mahatma, who invigorated the people of India with the will to resist colonial occupation by non-violent means, which will in the end, defeat any civilized country acting improperly, as in the case of the UK.

In addition, I have heard at least post War 2, the cost of empires exceeded the gain. The Dutch in far off Indonesia, the French mainly in Africa and Southeast Asia, the Spanish and Portuguese, and of course, the defeated Italians. And the British from everywhere.

The American Empire, OTOH, had never operated like the Europeans, the taking and holding of territory. We “returned” Cuba to the Cubans from the Spanish in 1905. Not for altruistic reasons, tough. At that time Cuba was a dollars and cents loser for us. We kept Puerto Rico as the population seemed more amenable. We struggled in the Philippines from 1898 unit 1907 when we walked away, unable to contain the insurgency in Mindanao. That war was and is religion driven. We gave up the Philippines in 1948, but not until we had taken all the things of value for ourselves. And installed the government of our choosing. We have done the same in Central America, tried to do that in South America and have more or less done that in Mexico. We operate with dependant regimes, I call’em lackeys, and they do our bidding. The USMC is our stand-by force in case of serious resistance. Post 1947, the CIA has filled that role in very many cases. We have our empire, but unless you look under the cover, you would not know it.



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posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 02:29 PM
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Under our newly christened and so-called Homeland Security Department - we flinch from the name Ministry of the Interior - so undemocratic - the US Customs Service and the Immigration and Naturalization Service - old INS - were merged into a new and more expensive ICE to regulate both goods and people coming into the US. An unlikely and not complimentary assignment, if you ask me.



posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by ape

originally posted by stumason
Not to mention the fact we have already been there and done that whole "superpower" thing. We got tired of it


actually after centuries of constant war once europe was more advanced in technology all they did was manage to find more ways to brutally kill each other, the only reason the UK and all those other empires are gone is because of the world wars that made them bankrupt, they all lost alot of territory and alot of territory was transformed. so no infact no you didn't get tired of it you simply could not afford it, along with all the infrastructure damage and the 10's of millions of deaths.


Er, every tech advanced country comes up with new ways of killing each other. Look at the US!!
Jeebus.. What a lame thing to say. War is the single biggest catalyst for technological progress.

We gace up the Empire for many reasons. Firstly, the cost. It was just not profitable. There was the lack of will within the UK to fight the natives who were campaigning for independance. We had just fought a WW that cost us many lives and much of our dosh. You said the WW lost us territory. Actually, after both WW, the British Empire was actually bigger than before the wars, especially after WW1.

The reason I complained about your hashing all Europeans into one lump and blaming us all for the war is simply that, we're not one homogenous people. The UK was certainly not to blame, we tried everything to avoid War. In the end, we had to confront Hitler.

I find it funny that Yanks accuse the Brits/French of being appeasers to Hitlers horror, but what exactly did the US do? Nothing. Until it involved you directly, you just sat and watched. At least we said "thats enough" and faced up to Hitler after Poland. It took you guys another 2 years and that was still against public opinion....


Originally posted by ape
stumason where did the first 2 world wars originate? also world war 2 didn't start until germany invaded poland and then once again europe was engaged with itself, this time causing over 60 million deaths including a holocaust, germany is a european country and invaded poland before russia joined in hence a european country instigated another world war, thats why I made that comment, japan was germanys ally, but world war 2 was not declared because of the actions of the japanes nor the russians. no need to get hostile it's only the truth. you're from the UK yet you dont even know it's history of europe? brutal continent.


Er.. Not all of the sixty million came from Europe. 20 million were from the Soviets as they just wasted lives. Many more millions were out in the Far East and China. Actual loss of life in Europe, including the Holocaust, would account for around 25-30% of lives lost. The vast majoity died outside of Europe in other theatres that were instigated by non-European countries.

If you want to challenge me on WW2 or European history, be my guest. I think you'll find I know FAR more than you give me credit for....

You display your own ignorance by saying "germany is a european country and invaded poland before russia joined in hence a european country instigated another world war"..

Now, if anyone knows there european history, they would know that Russia did not join in then.

Quite the contrary, the Soviets were in collusions with the Germans and split Poland between them..but I digress. Again, I accept your challenge if you fancy it



posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by stumason

I find it funny that Yanks accuse the Brits/French of being appeasers to Hitlers horror, but what exactly did the US do? Nothing. Until it involved you directly, you just sat and watched. At least we said "thats enough" and faced up to Hitler after Poland. It took you guys another 2 years and that was still against public opinion....



Come now chap, you know as wlel as I, that the only reason why Britain and France finally confronted Hitler was because there was an alliance that they would go to war if Poland was attacked. It wasn;t because you said it was "enough". I could understand if Germany attacked some other country that you were not involved with at all in an alliance, but that didn't happen...you guys appeased him.

And you are right, the US is just as bad. We didn't do anything (if Britain & France was 3,000 miles away they wouldn't have either). But what can I say? AMericans didn't want to be involved in yet another European skirmish.



posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 05:25 PM
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.Well, to be honest, there was not alot that could have been done to protect Austria, who actually voted for Anschlus (wether the vote was fair or not is another matter).

As for Czechoslovakia, well, the Sudentland territories originally claimed by Germany did use to be German territory prior to WW1 and were predominantly Germans living there. Not much of a reason to start a ruck.

As was viewed at the time, those two were merely paying the price for unifying the German people. There were significant social and political reasons to allow this. The invasion of Poland had less ground.

Britain and France were also not ready for war in 1936. Hell, we were going like the clappers in 1939 and were still not ready...

So, there were legal ambiguities with regards to those two countries, whereas the wholesale invasion of Poland by Germany and the Soviet Union (see Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) was a good reason to start a fight. Had the Germans merely occupied Danzig, they would probably have got away with that too. But seeing as they carved the whole of Poland between themselves and the Soviets, this was clearly more than unifying the German People.

Odd that we didn't castrate the Soviets for doing exactly the same as the Germans though, seeing as they split Poland down the middle.. Funny how the world operates...



posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by CanadianGlasnost
sarcasm appart, I just think the US won't be as strong and that more and more nations will hold considerable regional power like Iran in the Middle East and Russia in Eastern Europe


Yeah there will definetly be a redistribution of global power. That is the US won't hold the ultimate power in international affairs we've held for the past 15yrs. Mainly because the American people won't stand for it anymore. It just costs to damn much in blood and treasure.



posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 10:51 PM
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The Ultimate power is held by those that coin money; the International Banking system. The debt owed by the USA to this group is in the ten trillion dollar range. What is the interest? nobody knows, it is kept off budget. China is a Huge threat to them, China will not allow their currency to be played, as the rest of the world has bent over and let the Bankers have their way with their currency. CHina is growing without Debt, that is killing their banking system.
Gold is skyrocketing and debt in being leveraged, sooner or later the balloon will Pop for the western banking system...China will pick up the pieces.

Dont kid yourselves, wars are economic in origin and function. WW1 is no different than the Iraqi Invasion, people making money, Presidents and citizens going along for the ride.

When people get smart enough to rid themselves of economic slavery to the banking system, wars will end.


ape

posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 12:39 AM
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posated by stumason
Now, if anyone knows there european history, they would know that Russia did not join in then.



you misunderstood my post, i referenced the poland invasion and how russia joined in 18 days later. what i meant is germany invaded poland and russia joined in not 2 long after ( the invasion ).


I was not talking europe as a whole was the cause of the world wars, I said european countries, not all countries were at fault but that has nothing to do with the point i was making, my point is european countries instigated and started the engagment in these wars, no matter where it spread the fact remains it was ignited by europeans.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 02:13 AM
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Originally posted by toolman


The Ultimate power is held by those that coin money; the International Banking system. The debt owed by the USA to this group is in the ten trillion dollar range. What is the interest? nobody knows, it is kept off budget. China is a Huge threat to them, China will not allow their currency to be played, as the rest of the world has bent over and let the Bankers have their way with their currency. CHina is growing without Debt, that is killing their banking system.
Gold is skyrocketing and debt in being leveraged, sooner or later the balloon will Pop for the western banking system...China will pick up the pieces.


American GDP is growing faster then the debt which in turn makes american debt managable for the forseeable future.

And China is growing without debt?

China’s funding gap for social security, medical care, pensions, etc., is the government’s debt. In the past 50 years or so, the process of China’s industrialization and accumulation of state assets have been completed through low wages and the “scissors gap” between the prices of industrial products and agricultural products. The contributions to China’s wealth resulting from low wages and the “scissors gap” were mainly provided by urban laborers and farmers.

As these laborers and farmers are getting old and no longer able to work, it is a normal government obligation to provide them with a pension. Though China has gradually implemented a workers’ self-funded program, which has solved part of the pension problem, the amount of the government shortfall for pensions is at least several trillion yuan. According to economists’ estimates, it may take nearly 40 percent of China’s GNP to fund this obligation. If the pensions owed to agricultural workers are included, it’s astronomical.

I really wish some of you ppl knew what in the hell you were talking about.

do some research on chinas banking sector and you will see they are teetering on a imminent financial crisis with their banking sector. Which will set china into a recession later collapsing the chinese economy.


Dont kid yourselves, wars are economic in origin and function. WW1 is no different than the Iraqi Invasion, people making money, Presidents and citizens going along for the ride.

When people get smart enough to rid themselves of economic slavery to the banking system, wars will end.


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posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 07:44 AM
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posted by semperfoo


posted by toolman
The Ultimate power is held by the International Banking system. The debt owed by the USA to this group is in the ten trillion dollar range . . interest is kept off budget . . Gold is skyrocketing, debt in being leveraged, sooner or later the balloon will Pop for the western banking system . . China will pick up the pieces.


American GDP is growing faster then the debt which in turn makes American debt manageable for the foreseeable future. And China is growing without debt? China’s funding gap for social security, medical care, pensions, etc., is the government’s debt. In the past 50 years or so, the process of China’s industrialization and accumulation of state assets have been completed through low wages and the “scissors gap” between the prices of industrial products and agricultural products. The contributions to China’s wealth resulting from low wages and the “scissors gap” were mainly provided by urban laborers and farmers. [Edited By Don W]


Q. You have defined it, Mr S, but how did it get the name, “scissors gap?”

I don’t like the accumulation of debt by the US during a period of prosperity, for 2 reasons: 1) it amounts to a tax burden shift from the present consuming generation to the future debt paying generation, which is reminiscent of our complaint against King George III, ‘taxation without representation,’ and 2) a tax burden shift from the upper earners to the lower earners which is equal to yet another undeserved tax cut. An unpublicized bonus: the rich who are now paying less tax than they should can use that (surplus) money to buy instruments of debt at interest and watch as the grandchildren of the poor get to pay off those bonds. The rich have learned there is more than one way to kill off the welfare state. Mr Toolman should go to firstgov.org and there he can find the amount of interest paid on the debt. Roughly 4% of the debt. About $400 b. out of a $2.75 t. budget.



As these laborers and farmers get old and no longer able to work, it is a normal government obligation to provide them with a pension. Though China has gradually implemented a workers’ self-funded program, which has solved part of the pension problem, the amount of the government shortfall for pensions is at least several trillion yuan. According to economists’ estimates, it may take nearly 40 percent of China’s GDP to fund this obligation. If the pensions owed to agricultural workers are included, it’s astronomical . . research on China’s banking sector . . they are teetering on a imminent financial crisis . . Which will set China into a recession later collapsing the Chinese economy. [Edited by Don W]



I notice that we have used a system that I call “monetizing” the debt. To me this means to pay off the debt by inflating the currency. You can “get away with it” if you 1) hold inflation close to or fractionally less that the growth of the economy - which the Weimar Republic failed to do - and 2) if it equals the about borrowed over 30 years or so. This time period may have been shortened to 20 years as I recently heard the old 30 year T bond (the interest benchmark for the financial world) has benn surpassed in popularity by the 20 year T bond.



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posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 01:20 AM
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I think the Europeans show a lot of promise but at the moment their economies are basket cases, especially France. The Chinese are the exact opposite, their economy is growing rapidly and politically their becoming more ambitious. However, I can see China's economy slowing down in the future. The world just can't handle 1.5 billion people with living standards as high as western countries, not to mention India's growing middle class.

Anyway, the Europeans could be a superpower now if they wanted to, they have the money and technology. They just have a different culture to America and don't believe in having vast armies. Also, what about Japan? They definetly have the money and technology, and recently there's been talk about Japan rebuilding their military to counter China's. The US has been the biggest supporter of Japan re-militarising.



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 10:03 PM
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China will be the next super power, cus eurpoe has had its day, they all speak different languages and cant agree on anything! And in 20 years most of europe wud probely b muslim, and people will just do wot they want because of the librealism in europe. But china is one country and its poverty is slowly declining, and the citys and economy is booming faster than any other country inthe world!



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by Cthulwho
I think the Europeans show a lot of promise but at the moment their economies are basket cases, especially France. The Chinese are the exact opposite, their economy is growing rapidly and politically their becoming more ambitious. However, I can see China's economy slowing down in the future. The world just can't handle 1.5 billion people with living standards as high as western countries, not to mention India's growing middle class.


The world could support it, but it needs to be managed and brought in slowly. A quick rise in wealth on one side of the Globe will unbalance the Global Economy. A slow, methodical approach could, eventually, produce good standards the world over.

As for the Eu economies (Uk excluded) france had a good year last FY, so did Germany. They are improving, but it remains to be seen wether they maintain the growth.


Originally posted by Cthulwho
Anyway, the Europeans could be a superpower now if they wanted to, they have the money and technology. They just have a different culture to America and don't believe in having vast armies. Also, what about Japan? They definetly have the money and technology, and recently there's been talk about Japan rebuilding their military to counter China's. The US has been the biggest supporter of Japan re-militarising.


We've done our bit of "vast armies". After WW2, the general public do not like seeing huge sums spent on Weapons, but rather on schools and Hospitals. Having said that, the EU combined military is larger than the US, although the vast majority being sub-standard with only the Big 3 (UK, France and Germany) being anywhere close to a technological match.

Japan re-militarising? All they need to do is a name change. They are already extremely well armed, but it is a "self-defence" force. Change that to Army/Navy/Air Force and the job's a good'un.

The only contentious reason they don't (ignoring their constitution which can and probably will be changed) is how would people feel with the name "Imperial Japanese Army".. Brings back memories for many in that part of the world.



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by NZLAD
China will be the next super power, cus eurpoe has had its day, they all speak different languages and cant agree on anything!


Er, yeah.... I take it you don't actually live in europe then, as you are quite clearly talking out of something that is not your mouth.


Originally posted by NZLAD
And in 20 years most of europe wud probely b muslim,


No, they won't. I can;t believe how many times I have to prove this fallacy wrong. I'm not even going to bother unless you REALLY want me to make you look a fool.


Originally posted by NZLAD
and people will just do wot they want because of the librealism in europe.


Oh no.. People actually having the freedom to do what they want? The terror, the shame.....

What, exactly, is the problem with that? You'd rather be told what to do by right-wing evangelical's who think sex is a sin and to smoke a spliff sends you to hell? Ok, fair enough, but we're a little more relaxed about things over here. Try it, you might like it....


Originally posted by NZLAD
But china is one country and its poverty is slowly declining, and the citys and economy is booming faster than any other country inthe world!


Indeed, all thanks to America's rampant consumerism and sale of debt to them. If anyone is going to slide into decline as a result of China's resurgence then it will be the US.




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