I think it's good that DHS is involved in the investigation.
You don't really want to leave anything to chance. It is highly possible that this is nothing more than some sort of bacterial infection that
spread, however, it's also possible that water samples may turn up a poisonous substance as well. So it's really not to say that DHS needs to be
heading up the operation but they should certainly be involved.
Dead Ducks In Idaho - Death toll now at 3400, page 1
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Topic started on 14-12-2006 @ 12:04 PM by Regenmacher
The Department of Homeland Security has been called out to investigate the death of more than 2000 mallards in southeastern Idaho. Currently, it's
unknown whether these ducks are spreading an infection amongst each other or if they are dying off from another source. Dave Parrish, regional
supervisor for Idaho's Fish and Game, hasn't seen anything like this in 20 years.
Two-thousand ducks found dead near Oakley KTVB, Idaho
"Preliminary diagnosis is a bacterial infection is the likely cause," said Magic Valley Fish & Game supervisor David Parrish. "State veterinarians in Boise have found the lung tissue of the ducks to be full of white and yellowish bacterial abscesses. They also found hemorrhaging around the heart. At this point in time, however, we are not ruling out any potential cause."
"All responsible agencies are doing everything in their power to ascertain the cause of mortality," Parrish said. "Tissue and water samples have been collected by local, state and federal investigators, and we are currently running tests."
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Thousands of ducks mysteriously dying in Idaho Reuters
More Than 2000 Mallard Ducks Die Along Idaho Creekbed KIFI, ID
Duck Die-Off in Idaho Sparks Fears Houston Chronicle, TX
Could this be the first big outbreak of H5N1? Some are speculating it is from poison or a toxic leak, were as DHS's involvement just adds to the strangeness.
Related ATS Thread: 1000's of ducks mysteriously dying in Idaho
[edit on 14-12-2006 by UM_Gazz]
[edit on 12/14/2006 by Gools]
Two-thousand ducks found dead near Oakley KTVB, Idaho "Preliminary diagnosis is a bacterial infection is the likely cause," said Magic Valley Fish & Game supervisor David Parrish. "State veterinarians in Boise have found the lung tissue of the ducks to be full of white and yellowish bacterial abscesses. They also found hemorrhaging around the heart. At this point in time, however, we are not ruling out any potential cause."
"All responsible agencies are doing everything in their power to ascertain the cause of mortality," Parrish said. "Tissue and water samples have been collected by local, state and federal investigators, and we are currently running tests."
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Thousands of ducks mysteriously dying in Idaho Reuters
More Than 2000 Mallard Ducks Die Along Idaho Creekbed KIFI, ID
Duck Die-Off in Idaho Sparks Fears Houston Chronicle, TX
Could this be the first big outbreak of H5N1? Some are speculating it is from poison or a toxic leak, were as DHS's involvement just adds to the strangeness.
Related ATS Thread: 1000's of ducks mysteriously dying in Idaho
[edit on 14-12-2006 by UM_Gazz]
[edit on 12/14/2006 by Gools]
reply posted on 14-12-2006 @ 12:35 PM by Regenmacher
Update: Death toll now at 3400 and we may never know the source.
Officials May Never Find Mallard Die-Off Source
There are several possibilities for the deaths of 1,000 to 1,500 birds so far, he said, but the top three are a fungal pneumonia, a bacterial pneumonia or “some sort of toxin.“
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
3400 ducks dead in Idaho creek
They went out and cleaned up about 2,200 of the ducks Tuesday night. Wednesday morning Fish and Game agents cleaned up 1,200 more.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
If it was due to a toxin or chemical, I would presume it would kill other species besides mallards. The ducks have been dying off since last week in one specific region, so it must be something else besides a simple and easily recognizable bacterial infection too.
"Preliminary diagnosis is a bacterial infection is the likely cause of mortality," Parrish said. "State veterinarians in Boise have found the lung tissue of the ducks to be full of white and yellowish bacterial abscesses. They also found hemorrhaging around the heart. At this point in time, however, we are not ruling out any potential cause." Idaho Fish and Game
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
[edit on 14-12-2006 by Regenmacher]
Officials May Never Find Mallard Die-Off Source
There are several possibilities for the deaths of 1,000 to 1,500 birds so far, he said, but the top three are a fungal pneumonia, a bacterial pneumonia or “some sort of toxin.“
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
3400 ducks dead in Idaho creek
They went out and cleaned up about 2,200 of the ducks Tuesday night. Wednesday morning Fish and Game agents cleaned up 1,200 more.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
If it was due to a toxin or chemical, I would presume it would kill other species besides mallards. The ducks have been dying off since last week in one specific region, so it must be something else besides a simple and easily recognizable bacterial infection too.
"Preliminary diagnosis is a bacterial infection is the likely cause of mortality," Parrish said. "State veterinarians in Boise have found the lung tissue of the ducks to be full of white and yellowish bacterial abscesses. They also found hemorrhaging around the heart. At this point in time, however, we are not ruling out any potential cause." Idaho Fish and Game
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
[edit on 14-12-2006 by Regenmacher]
reply posted on 14-12-2006 @ 01:25 PM by Gools
I just looked at a map and Idaho borders on BC.
Were these ducks migrating South from Canada?... or maybe they've been there for a while already? Anybody know about migratory routes and seasonal behaviours?
Could the "source" be in Canada? I think I remember reading some stuff from soficrow about a suspected bird flu outbreak in western Canada this summer that was covered up. I'll see if I can find it.
If it's not bird flu, and such high numbers in a single day play against that IMO, I would guess some kind of industrial/chemical pollution scenario or maybe those mysterious chemtrails...
Homeland Security is involved? Did they take over the Centers for Disease Control or something?
With DHS involved, the story takes on several possible conspiracy twists IMO.
.
Found the thread: Coincidence or Coverup? Pandemic Drill Coincides with Virulent Virus Outbreak Warning - it was in Winnipeg, Manitoba. Not an outbreak but an "official warning".
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[edit on 12/14/2006 by Gools]
Were these ducks migrating South from Canada?... or maybe they've been there for a while already? Anybody know about migratory routes and seasonal behaviours?
Could the "source" be in Canada? I think I remember reading some stuff from soficrow about a suspected bird flu outbreak in western Canada this summer that was covered up. I'll see if I can find it.
If it's not bird flu, and such high numbers in a single day play against that IMO, I would guess some kind of industrial/chemical pollution scenario or maybe those mysterious chemtrails...
Homeland Security is involved? Did they take over the Centers for Disease Control or something?
With DHS involved, the story takes on several possible conspiracy twists IMO.
.
Found the thread: Coincidence or Coverup? Pandemic Drill Coincides with Virulent Virus Outbreak Warning - it was in Winnipeg, Manitoba. Not an outbreak but an "official warning".
.
[edit on 12/14/2006 by Gools]
reply posted on 14-12-2006 @ 01:38 PM by soficrow
Found the stuff on Mallards.
Originally posted on 5-11-2006 at 10:01 AM (post id: 2598073)
FYI - H5N1 is bouncing back and forth between poultry and wild birds - which increases the likelihood of mutation and vaccine resistance - and mallard ducks are the "champion" vectors.
IMO - this looks like a new strain of bird flu, likely with a super-imposed infection.
Think Beyond Bird Flu: The Perfect Microbial Storm. Don't mean to self-promote, but based on limited and obviously censored information, this outbreak looks fairly definitive.
Gools - in this light, point of origin becomes fairly irrelevant. We're going to see new strains pop up with regularity, in different places, then come together in the "Perfect Microbial Storm."
...Not that it will make much difference, but I am curious what microbe might have hybridized with the flu in this case...
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Originally posted on 5-11-2006 at 10:01 AM (post id: 2598073)
FYI - H5N1 is bouncing back and forth between poultry and wild birds - which increases the likelihood of mutation and vaccine resistance - and mallard ducks are the "champion" vectors.
Much about the disease remains poorly understood, but the present situation is serious and "the risk that a pandemic virus might emerge is not likely to diminish in the near future".
"In terms of geographical spread of the virus, mallard ducks are now regarded as the 'champion' vectors; mute swans are highly susceptible birds that are thought to serve as sentinels, but probably not as vectors of virus transmission," it said in the report, posted on its website www.who.int.
...Recent studies had shown that the virus is now moving both ways in "relay transmission", from poultry to migratory birds and back again...
IMO - this looks like a new strain of bird flu, likely with a super-imposed infection.
Think Beyond Bird Flu: The Perfect Microbial Storm. Don't mean to self-promote, but based on limited and obviously censored information, this outbreak looks fairly definitive.
Gools - in this light, point of origin becomes fairly irrelevant. We're going to see new strains pop up with regularity, in different places, then come together in the "Perfect Microbial Storm."
...Not that it will make much difference, but I am curious what microbe might have hybridized with the flu in this case...
.
reply posted on 14-12-2006 @ 02:22 PM by Regenmacher
We did have a couple radiation storms and X-class flares the last few days, and geomagnetic storms can mess up migratory birds sense of direction, but
I've never heard of solar flares zapping birds out of the sky and striking only one species. Still, it's an odd synchronicity.
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reply posted on 14-12-2006 @ 07:29 PM by spacedoubt
Poor ducks
Could these guys have picked up a strain of Trichomonas gallinae, at another watering hole, and have all succumbed days later in Idaho?
The symptoms I've read are somewhat similar.
From Michigan Dept of Natural Resources
Could these guys have picked up a strain of Trichomonas gallinae, at another watering hole, and have all succumbed days later in Idaho?
The symptoms I've read are somewhat similar.
From Michigan Dept of Natural Resources
Pathology of Trichomonas gallinae infection
The pathology associated with trichomoniasis in doves and pigeons usually involves young birds and consists of the formation of caseous necrotic masses in the upper digestive tract and occasionally in the viscera. The first (acute) lesions appear in the mouth, pharynx, esophagus, and crop and consist of inflammation and development of creamy-white, wet, and sticky exudate on the mucosal surface (lining). The lesions progress to small, well-defined raised yellow-white ulcers. As the disease progresses further (chronic), the mucosal lesions become yellow in color, larger in size, hard, caseous coalesced masses that may invade the sinuses of the skull, extend externally to the beak and eyes, penetrate through the base of the skull into the brain and penetrate the viscera causing necrotic areas in the liver, spleen, pancreas, heart, lungs and air sacs.
reply posted on 14-12-2006 @ 08:12 PM by Regenmacher
Moldy grain killed ducks, scientists say CNN
SALMON, Idaho (Reuters) -- Two thousand mallard ducks in Idaho likely died after they ate moldy grain and contracted a fatal infection, scientists said Thursday.
Paul Slota, a wildlife expert with the U.S. Geological Survey's National Wildlife Health Center, said a fungal infection known as aspergillosis was the likely killer.
Dave Parrish, regional supervisor for the Idaho Department of Fish and Game, said further tests would be conducteded for 2000 Idaho duck deaths.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
They can't even get the numbers right. So why is it that 1000's of mallard ducks are the only ones affected by eating moldy grain? Those ducks must have Kalishnikovs and are guarding the grain perimeter from all other animals. Moldy grain is a pretty common occurance, but the state wildlife supervisor has never seen anything like this in 20 years. Aspergillus grows in warm and moist environments and it's been snowing in Idaho. I smell a real quack of a story unfolding.
In Michigan, aspergillosis has been identified as a mortality factor in the mallard, canvasback, redhead, wood duck, common merganser, black duck, teal, Canada goose, mute swan, tundra swan, whistling swan, ring-billed gull, herring gull, Sichuan pheasant, ring-necked pheasant, ruffed grouse, wild turkey, raven, evening grosbeak, rose-breasted grosbeak, eastern bluebird, American robin, common grackle, peregrine falcon, red-tailed hawk, bald eagle, purple martin, snowy owl, great horned owl, black duck and common loon. It has also been found, but is a minor mortality factor in white-tailed deer. michigan.gov
Aspergillosis info
[edit on 14-12-2006 by Regenmacher]
reply posted on 14-12-2006 @ 08:32 PM by justgeneric
here's what I found locally on the duck deaths in BC.
Dead Ducks in Chilliwack BC
Avian Cholera is suspect in these deaths in Northern Canada.
Dead Ducks in Northern Canada
H5 Proven by CFAI in Chilliwack Duck deaths
Although they say that the deaths were not attributed to the virus. 24% (I think I read that right) were infected with H5.
There are a lot more going back to the summer months as well.
Not just Mallards.
Will follow this thread and the stories I can find locally.
Dead Ducks in Chilliwack BC
Avian Cholera is suspect in these deaths in Northern Canada.
Dead Ducks in Northern Canada
H5 Proven by CFAI in Chilliwack Duck deaths
Although they say that the deaths were not attributed to the virus. 24% (I think I read that right) were infected with H5.
There are a lot more going back to the summer months as well.
Not just Mallards.
Will follow this thread and the stories I can find locally.
reply posted on 14-12-2006 @ 09:35 PM by Regenmacher
Coincidence? Idaho was also the worst hit state for West Nile virus with 440 cases out of 581 since August.
CDC: 2006 West Nile Virus Activity in the United States
Experts Foresee Bad Year for West Nile
Idaho is hardest hit, with 440 human illnesses reported as of Friday, including five deaths. The state never before had more than 13 cases in a year. Idaho Gov. James Risch this month signed disaster proclamations for two counties in metropolitan Boise, in the southern part of the state, to allow state money to be spent on mosquito-killing measures such as nighttime spraying by airplanes.
Nationally, 581 cases of human West Nile virus were reported to the CDC from 29 states as of Aug. 22. Officials consider that an undercount, because there is often a delay in diagnosing cases and in transferring reports from states to the CDC.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Idaho, a Biowarfare Playground?
Again in 1997, in Southern Idaho near the town of Caldwell, seven healthy people died in their sleep when their lungs collapsed. All were in perfect health. An article in the Arizona Republic noted that people had suspicions that officials might be covering something up. Two years later an eye-witness report was filed about a dark fibrous material falling on Caldwell homes, cars and lawns shortly before the mysterious deaths occurred. Residents said the material looked like feces. source
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
CDC: Coordinated Response to Reports of Possible Anthrax Contamination, Idaho, 2001
Makes me wonder if DHS was feeding those ducks...
[edit on 14-12-2006 by Regenmacher]
Experts Foresee Bad Year for West Nile
Idaho is hardest hit, with 440 human illnesses reported as of Friday, including five deaths. The state never before had more than 13 cases in a year. Idaho Gov. James Risch this month signed disaster proclamations for two counties in metropolitan Boise, in the southern part of the state, to allow state money to be spent on mosquito-killing measures such as nighttime spraying by airplanes.
Nationally, 581 cases of human West Nile virus were reported to the CDC from 29 states as of Aug. 22. Officials consider that an undercount, because there is often a delay in diagnosing cases and in transferring reports from states to the CDC.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Idaho, a Biowarfare Playground?
Again in 1997, in Southern Idaho near the town of Caldwell, seven healthy people died in their sleep when their lungs collapsed. All were in perfect health. An article in the Arizona Republic noted that people had suspicions that officials might be covering something up. Two years later an eye-witness report was filed about a dark fibrous material falling on Caldwell homes, cars and lawns shortly before the mysterious deaths occurred. Residents said the material looked like feces. source
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
CDC: Coordinated Response to Reports of Possible Anthrax Contamination, Idaho, 2001
Makes me wonder if DHS was feeding those ducks...
[edit on 14-12-2006 by Regenmacher]
reply posted on 15-12-2006 @ 08:07 AM by soficrow
Aspergillus is a mold - which grows in moist, warm conditions.
The Mallards in question flew down through Alberta, NOT British Columbia. And Alberta was in a cold spell.
Most important, Mallards are the 'champion vectors' for bird flu. The real danger, and totally anticipated dynamic, is that the flu will hybridize with other microbes to create the perfect microbial storm.
Whatever is determined to be the 'final cause of death' for these Mallards, even if it was a mold - the ducks probably carried bird flu - and likely incubated an all-new flu hybrid. Which is not good news.
We should be most concerned about the birds that survived.
.
The Mallards in question flew down through Alberta, NOT British Columbia. And Alberta was in a cold spell.
Most important, Mallards are the 'champion vectors' for bird flu. The real danger, and totally anticipated dynamic, is that the flu will hybridize with other microbes to create the perfect microbial storm.
Whatever is determined to be the 'final cause of death' for these Mallards, even if it was a mold - the ducks probably carried bird flu - and likely incubated an all-new flu hybrid. Which is not good news.
We should be most concerned about the birds that survived.
.
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