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Why Are You Attacking Jesus?

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posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by kinglizard
Thanks for the extra little dig and insult BH,


It's true, KL. A simple disagreement with many Christians sends them into a fierce defensive mode, accusing and swearing to defend their religion against simple disagreement. Many of them are so hypersensitive that to simply disagree or have a different point of view is considered an "attack" against their very being.

That was not an insult. That was an observation.

And so what if people attack your beliefs? Welcome to the world! Since when does Christianity hold a position above reproach? Every single belief in the world comes under scrutiny. Why should Christianity escape examination, disagreement, disapproval and opposition or even attack?

And I believe it was you who hurled the first insult:


Originally posted by kinglizard
Not that I'm calling them animals.



Just because you disguise your insult with a 'disclaimer' doesn't make it all better. You cry about Christians being attacked, and then deal with it, not by turning the other cheek, but by tossing out a thinly veiled attack of your own, which is something I've noticed often in people who call themselves Christians. Example: Not that I'm calling them liars or anything


See? Still an insult.


Originally posted by kinglizard
your ego never disappoints.



Well, thank you. I have a healthy ego and I feel good and secure about my spiritual belief system. I don't need to try to convince everyone that it's the ONLY way or preach about it to try to corral people into sharing my spiritual beliefs. If that's what you mean by ego, then I take that as a complement.




posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
It's true, KL. A simple disagreement with many Christians sends them into a fierce defensive mode, accusing and swearing to defend their religion against simple disagreement. Many of them are so hypersensitive that to simply disagree or have a different point of view is considered an "attack" against their very being.


Have you noticed the title of this thread? It's "Why Are You Attacking Jesus?" NOT "Why Are You disagreeing with Jesus? ".


Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
And so what if people attack your beliefs? Welcome to the world! Since when does Christianity hold a position above reproach? Every single belief in the world comes under scrutiny. Why should Christianity escape examination, disagreement, disapproval and opposition or even attack?


AGAIN we aren't talking about "disagreement" we are talking about attacks. I know your argument falls apart if you drop the disagreement banner but again the title of this thread is "Why Are You Attacking Jesus?". So that is what we are discussing.


Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
And I believe it was you who hurled the first insult:


Only if you see yourself as wanting to "sink in a fang".



Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I have a healthy ego.


Yes that has been noticed.



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by kinglizard
AGAIN we aren't talking about "disagreement" we are talking about attacks.


Then where are these attacks? Who does the thread address? You seem to agree that Christ is being attacked. Where? What attacks are you talking about?



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Then where are these attacks? Who does the thread address? You seem to agree that Christ is being attacked. Where? What attacks are you talking about?


Feel free to browse the religious forums.



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 12:44 PM
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I'll freely admit that I attack Christianity, and the church. It's a horrid thing that forces it's hand any chance it gets. And, worse yet, convinces its followers that those who do not believe as they do will burn in hell, and deserve it as they are heratics, and below them. When human equality is thrown out the window because of a difference of opinion I am personally insulted.

That aside, I'd like to address Humble's popularity argument. It's easy to convince people that your religion is the only way when you don't allow comparison. Christianity invades territories and villages, burn their religious scripture and declare it the work of the devil. Who knows how many centuries of knowledge and history have been burned in the name of Christ. As a matter of fact, if it weren't for the Moors, we may not know anything about European history prior to Christianity.

Basically, being the most violent and unforgiving does lead to the most followers, one way or another.

Mind you none of this is an attack on Christ himself, just the things done in his name. I actually don't believe that Christ was a true historical figure.



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 12:49 PM
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I do browse the Faith, Spirituality & Theology forum (if that's what you mean by "religious forum"). I post in here all the time. The OP (and you) make accusations of these attacks against Christ, then when asked to back up these accusations with some examples, like every other poster on this board is asked to do, you tell me to go find them myself?



You guys are the ones making the accusations. If you can't come up with examples and proof of your accusations, then I'm not going to go in search of them for you. If you want credibility, you're going to have to provide it.

Or is that considered an attack against your integrity? Are you 'above' having to prove yourself and your accusations? Maybe we should just accept what you say because you said it...

:shk:



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 12:51 PM
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Of course they don't have to prove themselves. They're working for God. Would you dare question God?



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by kinglizard
So are you putting your foot down?...I repeat, putting your foot down? lol

You cannot separate Christ from Christianity. An attack on Christianity is an attack on Christ. He is the living word, he is the truth, life and the way.

John 14:6


Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.



YAWN** Ummm, that doesn't mean that the institution of "Christianity" is adhering to the TRUTH that Christ actually taught. Thank you..Make sure you,uh, have a nice day..



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
YAWN** Ummm, that doesn't mean that the institution of "Christianity" is adhering to the TRUTH that Christ actually taught.


Ummm, then that wouldn't be Christianity would it?



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Of course they don't have to prove themselves.


I have nothing to prove to you. What does my faith have to do with your requirement for proof? Nothing....

Believe what you will, It's not me you will answer to...



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by kinglizard
Ummm, then that wouldn't be Christianity would it?


Well, then true CHRISTIANITY does not exist then.. Does it? If one feels, as many Christian s do, that they have to degrade other people's beliefs.. then they are not true Christians. Jesus awas pretty explicit in stating that "One should live and let live." Was he not? You see, some "Christians" are no different than the Muslims in that they criticze all who do not or would not believe as they do.

[edit on 14-12-2006 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
The OP (and you) make accusations of these attacks against Christ, then when asked to back up these accusations with some examples, like every other poster on this board is asked to do, you tell me to go find them myself?


Looks like you understood what I said, let me know what you find.



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by kinglizard

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Then where are these attacks? Who does the thread address? You seem to agree that Christ is being attacked. Where? What attacks are you talking about?


Feel free to browse the religious forums.


Or how about, since thehumbleone started this thread, getting some quotes from the forums, and posting them with links, that way they aren't taken out of context.

We didn't start this thread, so it is not up to us to give examples of "jesus" being attacked, it is up to thehumbleone and anyone else who feels so strongly about jesus being attacked.



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Well, then true CHRISTIANITY does not exist then.


Sure it does, follow the word of God (Jesus) as written in the NT and you are considered a Christian.



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 02:00 PM
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I'll say it here and now.

Christ didn't exist (at least in any provable way).

Christianity has been a bane on mankind since the Rome accepted it as their official religion. It has led to genocide on a massive scale, and the destruction of irreplacable knowledge.

And, though he may have said some good things (like Winnie the Pooh did), the bad stuff far outweigh the good.



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 02:03 PM
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Pancho, haven't you been paying attention?


Originally posted by kinglizard
I have nothing to prove to you.


They're above having to provide proof of their accusations. Yes, I know, everyone else on the board either provides proof of their accusations or gets slammed for making things up, but apparently, when dealing with certain people and certain subjects (like, oh, I don't know, Christians and Christianity) they don't have to prove their accusations. And if you can't accept that, you have a overblown ego. That's all there is to it.

Next...

[/sarcasm]




posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
I'll say it here and now.

Christ didn't exist (at least in any provable way).


OK, that's your right to believe what you will.

Personally I have prof from my NDE but certainly FAITH is not based on proof so not being able to give you scientific evidence in not really part of the program.



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Next...


Oh No You Didn't!


Your inflated ego makes little difference to me.



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
I'll say it here and now.

Christ didn't exist (at least in any provable way).



Oh,but I think he did... Although, it is hard to prove that he did beyond reasonable doubt..



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by kinglizard
Personally I have prof from my NDE but certainly FAITH is not based on proof so not being able to give you scientific evidence in not really part of the program.


I once had a dream where I could fly. It was great. I was soaring above the earth and I felt absolutely free.

Does that mean that we can fly? Or, is a more likely explaination that when we're unconcious we can think up some pretty far fetched things, especially when the idea has been engrained in our minds since birth?




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