I do not believe that Iraq actually built any tanks. They bought them.

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by jetsetter
It is believable though. You said yourself, the T-72 is pretty old.

yes they are old but I dont believe in things without proof.


The hull and turret are protected by armour plating, including combined armour arrays over the frontal arc. Since 1988, explosive reactive armour (ERA) has been fitted. The running gear is protected by gill type armour panels. A smokescreen can be laid by the 902B Tucha smoke discharging system or by an exhaust smoke laying system.

i dont really think a 120mm smoothbore gun from the abrams can come through two t-72s

but i will believe it with proof.

I read these accounts from a Tom Clancy book. And maybe the tanks were not T-72s. They could have been something else.

Also, I have herd accounts of when Iraqi tanks fired penatrating rounds at the fronts of M-1s the rounds would just stick into the armour like arrows.

Well there we are, something we agree on.

/cough

Just who got their asses whipped by a bunch of cave dwellers in afghanistan?

Challengers and M1AX's are wonderful tanks, but if you hit them enough with rpg's you are going to disable them.

You might want to know those photo's have been photoshopped, the colors are off and the edges are rather torn, not fakes, but well edited.

Get a grip

These arent photo shopped..

They are just in crappy JPG format with low-quality filtering..

you do realise that it is SOP to destroy disabled tanks when they can not be repaired. In both Gulf wars. Disabled tank crews hitched a ride on a hummer and left their tank to be dispatched by fellow platoon mates.
I have a friend who has just got back from Iraq. He is a Tank Commander. I think he said he had a M1-A2 HD but that may have been his second tank. His first tank ran over a mine and he and his crew ditched it. It was recovered my an M-88. He said he knew of only one tank crew fully killed. That crew's Abrams fell off a bridge and the crew died. He did say there were a few casualities from Loaders and Commanders riding "israeli" and receiving injuries from small arms, RPG and IED. He also said that there was like 20 tanks left on the side of the road on the blitz toward Bagdad. They would break and would just be left for recovery.

*edited for spelling*

[Edited on 26-11-2003 by vonschuon]

Green little Elfs that disabled/destroyed these?
(and many others..)

vonschuon,

Get a life and a brain..

And dont try to teach your daddy how to #!

Modern tanks such as brittish and american ones have explosives inside the armour, somehow protects against special explosive filled shells..

They also build the sides of the tank at a 60deg and lower angle as this helps defflect the shells.

__/ O \__
/________\ <------------------Shell
U............U

A shell fired at sloping armour is defelected upwards, simple but effective deffence.

The two best tanks for all round ability are the american tank and the brittish tank.

[Edited on 26-11-2003 by Replicant]

Allthough some of the older russian tanks gun wise are just as powerfull, if they get the first shot.

Hi? How are you? Are you doing good? Iam fine. Well, have a nice day, Its nice to have some Russian people talking to me. I mean, its okay to be in denial, USA never fell under rule. Well, I love how you brag FULCRUM, To bad you think you are Ms. Cleo but, your really not. USA With (Isreal, Japan andBritian) Does own all. Please dont be mad that your county is angered by the USA. If you have a problem, restate it in the forums and people can talk to you about it. Thank you.



GOD BLESS, AMERICA OWNS (Yes, u 2 russua)

Ok we never said that a western tank could not get destroyed. They can no tank is invincible. Western tanks are just better. I will see if I can get some picks of the junks yards miles long of Russian tanks and such in Iraq.