Why does NASA airbrush this picture of Buzz Aldrin on the moon?, page 1


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Topic started on 12-12-2006 @ 03:00 PM by DrLeary
Hi folks, tried the search but couldn't find anything on this. I was looking through NASA's website for a cool desktop image and I stumbled across this picture of Buzz Aldrin on the moon that is clearly airbrushed. And a poor job too. Now since this is in the Downloads section you wouldn't expect them to be totally uneditet, but this seems a bit weid to me. The crosses that I believe were etched into the lenses for reference have been partially removed and smudged.

Original Nasa image is here:



Here are two cutouts I've made. I've circled the area where you can see that something is not right. What do you think of these? Especially the right one in the picture with two cirlces. This looks like cut & paste to me as there is two croshairs on top of eachother.





And last but not least, does anybody know what the two shining objects to the left of the astronaut is? One is casting a long shadow and the other is not. It's also weird that the shadows converge, but I'm guessing this is because you're seing the reflection in a round object (the helmet glas) so it's distorted.




reply posted on 12-12-2006 @ 03:23 PM by sardion2000
Bad Astronomies Answer

What happened becomes clearer when you look more closely at the images. The times it looks like an object is in front of the crosshair (because the crosshair looks blocked by the object) is when the object photographed is white. The crosshair is black. Have you ever taken an image that is overexposed? White parts bleed into the film around them, making them look white too. That's all that happened here; the white object in the image ``fills in'' the black crosshair. It's a matter of contrast: the crosshair becomes invisible because the white part overwhelms the film. This is basic photography.


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reply posted on 12-12-2006 @ 04:46 PM by sardion2000
Gotcha Mechanic! Nice catch.

spaceflight.nasa.gov...

Why would they use a composite when this beaut is available...

Google Image search rox btw.

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reply posted on 12-12-2006 @ 05:21 PM by Mechanic 32
Okay, I have taken sardions image and opened it in my image editor.

Then I opened the advertisement image in a layer on top of sardions image.

I gave the top image 50 percent transparency, and lined them up the best I could:

i45.photobucket.com...

I then made the top image negative.

All areas that are exactly alike, should show up as a medium shade of grey:

i45.photobucket.com...

All areas of the image that are not alike will stand out from the rest of the image. As you can see, the crosshairs have indeed been airbrushed. Most likely to be less prominent, as I had stated earlier. This is an advertisement, after all.

Voila! Case closed.

Anyone with Photoshop, MS PictureIt, or MS DigitalImage, or equivalent can also use this technique to compare photos that seem to have identical qualities.




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reply posted on 13-12-2006 @ 08:39 AM by DrLeary
Originally posted by sardion2000
Bad Astronomies Answer

What happened becomes clearer when you look more closely at the images. The times it looks like an object is in front of the crosshair (because the crosshair looks blocked by the object) is when the object photographed is white. The crosshair is black. Have you ever taken an image that is overexposed? White parts bleed into the film around them, making them look white too. That's all that happened here; the white object in the image ``fills in'' the black crosshair. It's a matter of contrast: the crosshair becomes invisible because the white part overwhelms the film. This is basic photography.


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I'm not bying that one! Look again at the first two pictures. The background is not white, it's grey. Get the original from NASA, zoom in and tell me again that is a "natural" phenomenon...

Also, Notice I'm not stating anything about a moon hoax here! I do believe there are some questions unansvered and that they might have made some "plan B" material in a studio in case the rocket blew up or whatever, but I'm not saying it's all a hoax.

I'm simply wondering why they airbrushed this picture... It might just be for layout or appearance, but then you'd think they'd atleast do a proper job? This is photoshop-noob-work...

Okay, here's an idea. Everybody look through some official NASA images that weren't editet as desktop backgrounds and see if we can find any of these smudges in other pictures. If there are none, then I won't bring this issue up again

Oh and what do people think the objects we see in the helmet reflection is? Kind of looks like a spotlight to me, but as far as I know they never brought any lights up there? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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reply posted on 13-12-2006 @ 02:11 PM by Mechanic 32
Originally posted by DrLeary


I'm simply wondering why they airbrushed this picture... It might just be for layout or appearance, but then you'd think they'd atleast do a proper job? This is photoshop-noob-work...


Well if you think about it, they did'nt have Photoshop in the Apollo days. They did it the old fashioned way, so to speak. Either on a copy of the negative, or on a copy of the photograph used. Of course, I could be wrong altogether, as I don't know when the picture was modified.



Oh and what do people think the objects we see in the helmet reflection is? Kind of looks like a spotlight to me, but as far as I know they never brought any lights up there? Please correct me if I'm wrong.



As for the reflections, if NASA had the forethought of lightening the crosshairs, why would'nt they have removed the damning "evidence" of spotlight reflections on the helmet.

Don't get me wrong, I don't trust NASA or the Gov't 100% in any way shape or form. But one would think that a public relations photograph would not blatantly show anything contrary to the Official Story.

Just my 2 cents.

I have done extensive research myself regarding this very Apollo mission. that is, in fact what led me here to ATS in the first place. I have read all the material I could get my hands on. I do believe there are some questions lingering, but I also have come to the conclusion that yes we did land on the moon. And also have come to the conclusion that there are many people who would like to profit from the speculation that we did'nt land on the moon.

But I believe the initial question had been answered. Yes that image you showed in your first post was indeed modified.

What the reflection in the helmet is, I don't know for certain.

I'm sorry if you are on the "we did'nt land on the moon" bandwagon, but if you do your own unbiased research, you will find the truth. Many of the proponents of the hoax theory have been thoroughly discredited and debunked.

If you really must know what those reflections are showing, call or write to NASA and ask them.





reply posted on 4-8-2008 @ 09:47 AM by ngchunter
reply to post by lee anoma



Let's find out if it was manipulated. The first thing any researcher should do is look to the original source. The image posted by the OP is obviously not the original image, it's filled with text, borders, and other modifications. Somewhere in doing all of that they may have left behind sloppy artifacts of the editing that the OP found. Here's a true original scan, at full res and completely untouched:
history.nasa.gov...
Are the reseau plate markings still showing signs of duplication? No. There were other less-obvious signs of alterations in the OP's image, such as the missing PLSS antenna, that are commonly found in secondary reproductions of this image. All the issues are resolved by just looking at the original image and understanding that the objects seen next to neil are surface experiments (and I think the flag may be visible as well).

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