Originally posted by BeingWatchedByThem
there was no REAL investigation of the 9/11 attacks. Why the coverup? How did a STEEL building collapse from fire? (something that has NEVER happened!)

steel can get weak from intence heat you schmuck! jet fule burns really hot, causeing the steel to get weak. not to mention that the initial blast of the explosions blew away much of the fire proofing material. it was only a matter of time before sir issac newton took over.

[Edited on 12-4-2003 by KrazyIvan]

Newton brought the buildings down? Now there's a new conspiracy!

By the way, just how hot does jet fuel burn?

[Edited on 4-12-2003 by Stirfry]

Originally posted by Stirfry
Newton brought the buildings down? Now there's a new conspiracy!

By the way, just how hot does jet fuel burn?

[Edited on 4-12-2003 by Stirfry]

Even an ordinary candle flame can reach a temperature of 2500 F.


The key thing to understand is temperature is not the same as heat. just as in electricity amps are not the same as watts.

I watched a documentary on Discovery Channel (or maybe it was History?), and they showed exactly why they went down as they did. It was not a controlled demolition, but the weakening of beams from intense heat, and the weight of the floors above crashing down at once. While the floors were relatively thin metal reinforced with cement, they were also much of the strength of the entire structures. Had the planes hit higher, they may not have collapsed at all, but burned instead.

[Edited on 12-7-2003 by Satyr]

Originally posted by Silk
We have defeated the IRA - have you Al Queeda ? - I would suggest that a shift in thoughts might be important at this time

No we did not defeat the IRA, we surrended. There killing ways got part of what they wanted. Election, hell we even allowed there leader toaccess to the house of common, not that they have actually gone there.

What was that "eartquake" 3 seconds before each collepse? With the magnitude of 2.5? Interesting, isn't it? Has anyone seen the North tower collapse ? And that huge spire turning into dust? That is really annoying.

If there was just any controlled explosion, the first thing would be that we would see massive smoke coming from the building, even if few small detonations occur. Today's technology is yet far away to demolish any building in a controlled manner without detonation. Still, I definately think that it was a controlled demolition.

It was not a controlled demolition. This is the first time I see this thread, but we have been discussing this same topic on other threads

The explosions sent fuel and burning material to Tower 7, which is why it burned and fell. The difference between the burning of tower 7 and the twin towers is that we saw as the planes hit the buildings, and we could see the source of the fire of the twin towers, which was on the top. In tower 7 the not a lot of burning material was sent by the explosion, but enough to cause internal fires, which is what probably fell the tower.

BTW, it has been said before and even here some members and mods have said it. You don't need to smelt steel for it to give in under the tons of weight because of the buckling effect. The differential in temperatures in the steel bars caused a lot of strees and its what made the buckling happen. i gave more details on another post, but I am too tired to find it. There are a lot of links aorund that explain this.

There were probably also backdrafts from the fire, which could have been the causes of explotions that supposedly were heard.

Skyscrappers like the twin towers are also build so if they collapse they would do so on themselves. in order for a skyscrapper to fall down like a tree, the top of the building would have to sway more than half the width of the building, otherwise, there is no other way for it to fall as if it was a tree. Too tired to explain anymore, just look it up for yourself, there are several sites that have experts nad explain this.

[edit on 23-9-2004 by Muaddib]

From what I see the twin towers were doomed since th eday they were officially inaugurated....

They used steel in its construction FOR GOD SAKES !!!!

The best material EVEr for that kind of buildings is PAPER !!!! ARAB PASSPORT PAPER...

The day they found Mohamed Atta pristine passport on the rubles of WTC and survided the crash the inferno and the colapse, my theory was proven...

ARAB PASSPORT PAPER is the strongest material ever.....

It is amazing how far the cognitive dissonance goes, how many times do people have to show you the Silverstein video, where he says "we are going to pull it," an industry term for demolition. They evacuated the building then Silverstein gave the order to pull it. It was on public television. It is NOT a theory, demolition took building seven.

Now you figure out the twin towers, how they fell at almost the rate of gravity, which is otherwise impossible in and of itself without demolition.

Case closed.

Originally posted by SkipShipman
It is amazing how far the cognitive dissonance goes, how many times do people have to show you the Silverstein video, where he says "we are going to pull it," an industry term for demolition. They evacuated the building then Silverstein gave the order to pull it. It was on public television. It is NOT a theory, demolition took building seven.

Uh, we went over this extensively in another thread. Sillversein was talking to a firefighter not a demolition contractor. The term “pull” has a totally different meaning to a firefighter then to a demolition contractor, and still another meaning to a skeet shooter.

Hey, that’s it, maybe all of the firemen fired shotguns at the building at the same time and caused the collapse. Yeah, that’s it.

Now you figure out the twin towers, how they fell at almost the rate of gravity, which is otherwise impossible in and of itself without demolition.

Case closed.

I’ll tell you what. You calculate what the live load of the top portion of the building after it fell 15 feet to the floor below. Then calculate what the design limits for the live load on this floor were. Calculate the buckling and stresses put on the various structural components as the collapse started. Prove to me that there was something wrong in how fast the building collapsed. Be prepared to show your work. Then maybe. Just maybe, I’ll listen to you. In the meantime, I’ll listen to the engineers who see no problems with the speed of the collapse. The only thing closed here is your mind.