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Originally posted by UK Wizard
We already are in the EU if you didn't know, have been for a while now which is either a good or bad thing depending on whom you ask.
The Constitution is, sorry was designed to unify the EU more, strengthening and creating new bonds in several areas.
Do I personally wish a more integrated EU, hmmm, not really, not without a hell of a lot of reform.
Originally posted by Neon Haze
Originally posted by UK Wizard
We already are in the EU if you didn't know, have been for a while now which is either a good or bad thing depending on whom you ask.
The Constitution is, sorry was designed to unify the EU more, strengthening and creating new bonds in several areas.
Do I personally wish a more integrated EU, hmmm, not really, not without a hell of a lot of reform.
We are currently in the EU, but we are not an EU State and that is what is planned if we were to sign up to a EU constitution.
This is the direction the British Govt are attempting to take us and by stealth.
When will people realise that New Labour couldn't give a monkeys about what it's people think, and will only do what is best for their own interests.
I guarantee the current cabinet will end up in even more senior EU positions, should they move the UK into a United States of Europe.
I for one will not stand by and just let voter apathy destroy any hope of retaining sovereignty.
Remember the EU was only ever meant to be a trade pact, and a so called EU constitution is as far away from that as you could get.
If ever there was a time to stand up and be counted, it is now.
All the best,
NeoN HaZe.
[edit on 12-12-2006 by Neon Haze]
Originally posted by Neon Haze
We are currently in the EU, but we are not an EU State and that is what is planned if we were to sign up to a EU constitution.
Remember the EU was only ever meant to be a trade pact, and a so called EU constitution is as far away from that as you could get.
Originally posted by UK Wizard
Don't get me wrong, I'm sceptical of the European Union and what it does and don't really want the Union to take a step beyond the form of an alliance and into a more solid state, I'd like to see greater cooperation but not greater intergration.
The EU has much potential in many areas, and even a sceptic like me can see what the EU could achieve if only it suffered some reform.
I would love to see Switzerland and Norway (sorry DrLeary) join as I think it would shift the power balance away from old Europe to a more up to date power balance.
[edit on 13-12-2006 by UK Wizard]
Originally posted by Neon Haze
The British Government is currently expecting to join the EU without our nations consent.
We the British people deserve our say in what happens!
Please sign the following petition.
EU Referendum Petition
These people in government are Civil Servants!
That means they serve us the People.
It is about time we Stand up and make it known that we will not be steered in such a drastic direction without first our consent.
Thank you for your attention.
Originally posted by DrLeary
People are sick of the surveilance cameras and the 1984 mentality of the government and are starting to dismantle the new anti-terror laws.
You should all watch the documentary The Truth About The European Union. It has ministers openly admitting that they vote on dozens of propositions each day without ever having read them and not knowing at all what they are aboot. They have people telling them what to vote. They basically have a list of numbers followed by YES or NO.
That's politics for yah!
Originally posted by Lonestar24
I cannot understand why people, especially Brit members on this board, keep referring to the EU as an economic alliance.
Britain never chose to be in Europe, it was imposed on us.
This is untrue.
The decision to join the European Community was taken by Parliament.
After a "renegotiation" in 1975, the House of Commons voted by 396 votes to 170 to remain in Europe.
This was endorsed by 67.2% of the vote in the referendum on 5 June 1975.
During the 1975 referendum, nobody talked about sovereignty.
This is untrue.
The official statement by the YES campaign, distributed to every household during the referendum said: "Our trade, our jobs, our food, our defence cannot be wholly within our own control.
That is why so much of the argument about sovereignty is a false one. It's not a matter of dry legal theory.
The real test is how we protect our own interests and exercise British influence in the world.
The best way is to work with our friends and neighbours.
If we came out, the Community would go on taking decisions which affect us vitally - but we would have no say in them.
We would be clinging to the shadow of British sovereignty while its substance flies out the window."
Decimalisation was forced upon us by Europe.
This is untrue.
The sovereign British Parliament agreed to adopt decimal currency under the Decimal Currency Act 1969, before the Heath conservative government that took Britain into Europe was even in office.
Metric measures were imposed on Britain by Brussels.
This is untrue.
The decision to introduce metrication in Britain was taken by Parliament many years before we joined Europe, under the Weights and Measures Act of 1963.
A currency union leads inevitably to a single state.
This is untrue.
The Irish Republic was in a currency union with the UK from 1921-79. That did not mean that Eire became part of the UK.
The single currency will lead to a single European state.
This is untrue.
Britain has the right to veto any changes to the structure of Europe.
The key decision-making body in Europe is the European Council, which consists of the elected heads of government of each EU country.
We can block any changes we do not like.
The French want to create a European super-state.
This is untrue.
French President Chirac has said: "The EU doesn't want to be the United States of Europe but the united Europe of states."
In a clear attempt to divide and rule Brussels has wiped England off its new euromap: Scotland, Wales and Ireland are all in place, but England is represented only by its regions.
This is untrue.
Designations of regions are decided by member states, in this case the UK, not Brussels.
BRITAIN'S NEW
DEAL IN EUROPE
'Her Majesty's Government have decided to recommend to the British people to vote for staying in the Community'
HAROLD WILSON, PRIME MINISTER
DEAR VOTER
This pamphlet is being sent by the Government to every household in Britain. We hope that it will help you to decide how to cast your vote in the coming Referendum on the European Community (Common Market).
Please read it. Please discuss it with your family and your friends.
We have tried here to answer some of the important questions you may be asking, with natural anxiety, about the historic choice that now faces all of us.
We explain why the Government, after long, hard negotiations, are recommending to the British people that we should remain a member of the European Community.
We do not pretend, and never have pretended, that we got everything we wanted in these negotiations. But we did get big and significant improvements on the previous terms.
We confidently believe that these better terms can give Britain a New Deal in Europe. A Deal that will help us, help the Commonwealth, and help our partners in Europe.
That is why we are asking you to vote in favour of remaining in the Community.
I ask you again to read and discuss this pamphlet.
Above all, I ask you to use your vote.
For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict.
[Signed:]
Harold Wilson
YOUR RIGHT
TO CHOOSE
The coming Referendum fulfils a pledge made to the British electorate in the general election of February 1974.
The Labour Party manifesto in the election made it clear that Labour rejected the terms under which Britain's entry in to the Common Market had been negotiated, and promised that, if returned to power, they would set out to get better terms.
The British people were promised the right to decide through the ballot box whether or not we should stay in the Common Market on new terms.
And that the Government would abide by the result.
That is why the Referendum is to be held. Everyone who has a vote for a Parliamentary - that is, everyone on the Parliamentary election register which came into force in February 1975 - will be entitled to vote.
Polling will be in the normal way, at your local polling station, from 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. (Your poll card will remind you of the date and give other details.) You will get a ballot paper, and be asked to mark the ballot paper in one of two clearly marked places, in order to record a Yes or No vote about Britain's continued membership of the European Community (Common Market).
The Government have recommended that Britain should stay in on the new terms which have been agreed with the other members of the Common Market.
But you have the right to choose.
OUR PARTNERS
IN EUROPE
With Britain, there are nine other members of the Common Market. The others are Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands.
Their combined population is over 250 million.
The Market is one of the biggest concentrations of industrial and trading power in the world. Its has vast resources of skill, experience and inventiveness.
The aims of the Common Market are:
To bring together the peoples of Europe.
To raise living standards and improve working conditions.
To promote growth and boost world trade.
To help the poorest regions of Europe and the rest of the world.
To help maintain peace and freedom
Originally posted by Neon Haze
Sminkeypinkey, thank you for your gargantuan post.
It is very clear your political stance and that you are a pro-euro person
But just wanted to ask you this.... When has a referendum on a major political issue ever been questioned as a correct means by which to judge what the people want?
You say the Constitution is not happening?
I’m saying the constitution may not be signed but the directives are being carried out right as we speak WITHOUT a public VOTE.
To FORCE people to go down a route that may or may not be wanted by the majority, is not an act of Democracy.
It is a travesty of Justice and we cannot allow this or any government to get away with it.
Just before I go, I would like to address what you said about my post being a call for attention… If I were you, I would have done a little research on my previous postings and threads I have authored.
Perhaps you should have taken the time to look at my overall history on ATS before you start bantering around slanderous comments such as attention seeker.
I will reply in full later.
You say the Constitution is not happening?? I’m saying the constitution may not be signed but the directives are being carried out right as we speak WITHOUT a public VOTE.
We are currently in the EU, but we are not an EU State and that is what is planned if we were to sign up to a EU constitution.