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Non-conformists: Good or Bad?

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posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 03:53 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Deviant behavior like what? By whose standards?

Hmmm...Try this anecdote for comparison: "Kinky" uses a feather, "Deviant" uses the whole chicken.

In this kind of context, "deviant" is going so far beyond non-conformity that it becomes harmful to those around you. As a side note, this is how I classify the average career-politician...


As pointed out, "conformity" is a spectrum & there's no absolutes except at the extreme edges of the spectrum. I use the title of "Ignorance Assassin" (look left, under my username) because I'm a nonconformist to a certain degree...It takes ignorance to actually reach an "extreme" on any spectrum & that's where you can see the most ignorance being manifested.
Personally, I do draw a certain line when it comes to granting "freedom" & sum it up by this statement: Your freedom ends where my nose begins. In essence, everyone should have the freedom to do anything they want as long as no one else is hurt while doing it (Qualifier to the phrase, "no one else": I believe you should have the freedom to harm yourself, if that's what you really want, but not freedom to drag anyone else with you).

Besides, where would humanity be today if there were no "nonconformists" in society at all? There would be no Benjamin Franklins, no Albert Eienstiens, no J.F.K.'s, no M.L. Kings...It's the nonconformists who lead the way to change. But there also exist the dangerous (deviant) nonconformists as well: The Hitlers, the Stalins, etc. The most important question, as far as the good of humanity goes, is where you are on that spectrum. That is what the measurement lies between "change for the better" or "change for the worse."




posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 04:37 AM
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A non-conformist like you doesn't bother me. Infact I'm usually fine with people being non-conformists, usually they are amusing to observe.
However there ARE certain things that one should conform to and that is the LAW of this country. So you could say criminals are also non-conformists. So my conclusion is that you non-conformists are like everyone else.



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 07:10 AM
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Originally posted by 7Pan7cho7
Basically, don't worry about being a conformist or not. Just be yourself.


That's exactally what I do! I only refer to myself as a non-conformist because it seems like everything that truly makes me happy flies in the face of social norms for fasion, ect.

Tim



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by emjoi
Non-Conformists are just trying to be annoying.
Stop trying to stand out! You're just a cog in the machine like everyone else.

(There. Now I'm a Non-Conformist in this thread.


Ummm, no... most non-conformists don't want to stand out. The reason they do is because they can't stand living in a discusting world of conformity. So people notice them more, cuz of things they say, or the clothes they wear. I have my conversations earsdroped alot when I talk with my friend in buses and public areas. People look at us like something new, "wow, they say unusual stuff, let's follow and listen more cuz our lives aren't interesting enough." I don't wear anything to distinguish myself, it's usually my mouth that gets me attention. What bothers me is the new EMO "non-conformists", from what I see, they're a bunch of doped up sexualy frustrated kids. What frightens me is that they all dress bi or gay, and sorry, but that's not non-conformity. Non-conformity lies within the beliefs and views, not sexual orientations. My little rant, attack me, I dare you! Disect my writing so I can read your opinions. What I don't like about conformists is their lack of argument, or rather, their repetitive opinions and arguments. They all say the same thing, it's annoying, you can't have debates with such people. As for EMO people, they're brain dead non-conformist wannabees. Same with wannabe goths and punks. Please, dressing like a punk doesn't make you a punk. It's all about screwing the mainstream, by wearing the same stuff, they turn themselevs into what they supposedly hate. Hypocrites...



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 09:58 AM
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It is a matter of who is viewing these non-conformists. The opinion on them would differ based on the audience who watches.

If it is a group of individuals who are accepting to the non-conformists message then these non-conformists seem to be doing a good thing (in this groups eyes).

However, if it is an authoritative power which views these non-conformists as spreading a little to much free thinking (or possibly ugly truths) then these non-conformists are an immediate and serious threat.

I hope I explained that well...sometimes my thoughts just ramble onto the keyboard like a cat across a piano.



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 10:17 AM
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I know how you feel. You worry people won't understanjd your point since you want to point out everything at the same time. It gets a bit complicated when you have 3 different things in one sentence. I try avoiding it too, but eh, I understood what you ment. And I agree, but that goes into yet another topic. Amazing how a subject can go into a million directions.


JSR

posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by Ghost01
So I ask you, Are Non-Conformists (like me) a bad thing, or are we helping by highlighting what's wrong with this world?
[edit on 11-12-2006 by Ghost01]


this is really two questions.

is non-conformity a bad thing?
depends on what you are not conforming to.
what are you not conforming to?
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are we helping, by highlighting what's wrong with this world?
helping what?
who's definition of wrong?



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 11:28 AM
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moral code buddy. When you see teenagers wearing revealing clothes, what goes on in your mind, is our culture a moral one?


JSR

posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by Radekus
moral code buddy. When you see teenagers wearing revealing clothes, what goes on in your mind, is our culture a moral one?


is this a response to my post?
if so, i dont follw you.



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 01:54 PM
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well, whose definition of wrong.
I'm just giving an example, are we blindly following what the media tells us? they're not very moral, I mean, watch mtv, damn, it's like the porn channel.


JSR

posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by Radekus
well, whose definition of wrong.
I'm just giving an example, are we blindly following what the media tells us? they're not very moral, I mean, watch mtv, damn, it's like the porn channel.


it wasn't a general question.

the OP asked, in part of his question, "by highliting what is wrong..".

i asked, by who's wrong are we basing the question?

im not sure where your taking it.



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 02:54 PM
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well the system is just a giant brain control concept... you are born into it and from that point you are conditioned into compatibility with the economical system.

I personaly stay away from this system completely but it's not to be different, i simply don't want to contribute to this circus of a world and that's a personal choice.

my conscience is from my inerself, not my suroundings.

take everyone away from this planet and start over with different people and you would get a completely different idealogy of what is the right way to live our lives. this means that it's all just an illusion in the first place, the only thing that remains true is your inerself, nature.



posted on Dec, 13 2006 @ 08:34 AM
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that would mean that most peope's nature is to be immoral genocidal maniacs and thiefs. Ah well... There's no more honor in society anymore.

[edit on 13-12-2006 by Radekus]


JSR

posted on Dec, 13 2006 @ 08:36 AM
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where the heck did this thread go?



posted on Dec, 13 2006 @ 08:40 AM
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sorry bout that, my fault. I'll try to answer fully now, instead of hiding behind a bush.



posted on Dec, 13 2006 @ 08:48 AM
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I'm trying to explain why I myself am a non-conformist. The answer is because the world is immoral. Television and every other media shove immorality down everyone's throats, and alot of people buy it. I don't, that's why I'm a non-conformist. I don't like large crouds, I like to talk intelligently, I am unable to make small talk, mostly because I refuse to dumb myself down. I like to argue one on one. What do I mean by Immoral culture, I gave a few examples, like what children wear now a days, how they look like prostitutes. How the media brainwashes them that it's a good thing. How no one ever grows up. How adults act like irresponsible little brats, stuff like that makes me a non-conformist. And the moral code is what god gave us to begin with. Obviousy stealing is wrong, obviously killing is wrong, yet people do it. Here's an off topic example, but have you seen the soldiers in Iraq and how they treat the population there? No wonder you have insurgents poping up everywhere. That's because those soldiers have been disensetised to violence when they were young. Movies, video games. I can say that it would be very easy for me to kill someone without regret, doesn't mean I would, I follow a moral and honour code, a code that everyone should follow but don't. I find that conformity is the path to destruction.


JSR

posted on Dec, 13 2006 @ 03:09 PM
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i hear what your saying. i cant say your wrong. i agree pop culture is killing us.

my questions however, where simply to break down the OP's question.

it's easy to say non-conformity is good. and, yes, it helps highlight problems in the world.

but, imo, i dont think it's that easy.
what are we not conforming to?
society?
government?
science?
culture?
religion?

if im a non-conformist, do we have to non-conform to all of the above?
if we pick one to non-conform to, do we have to non-conform completely?

im not trying to devalue what you posted. like i said, i agree with it.



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 12:12 AM
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I personally have been a non-conformist all my life. I am a person who overall free thinker open to everything except "falling in line" and I have been criticized my whole life for it. Only recently have I started to realize, and actually be told by others, how much strength I have and how special it is to be different, not to accept what is socially accepted as long as its not hurting anyone. I will never be a sheep, I consider myself a shepherd.



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by AbolishGovernment
I will never be a sheep, I consider myself a shepherd.


Intresting analogy! In that way, thoes of us who are non-conformists are more leaders then followers. I agree with that veiw of the world. I pick my own path, and blaze a trail that others can follow.

If we are the ones who step up and take the lead, is it not reasonable to say that we sometimes act as a catlysis for social change and growth by encouging new ideas and different ways of thinking about common things? Thinking outside the Box, if you will!

Tim



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 07:09 AM
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Non-conformist good or bad ?

Really there is no such thing !

People despertly try to be different, but all they achieve is assimulation.

"Cant you just be a Non-conformist like everyone else"



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