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Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Where are the witnesses? I keep asking but nobody delivers. Let's make a TV special where all the pro-Israel crowd parades out their lackeys to lie for the military industrial complex and present people to say they saw: 'da plane boss.. da plane."
What role will you play in the show Fox? Heck we could even have it on the Fox network.. they could sell it to the Christians that will do whatever Israel desires.
Of course the landing gear was up because a: it didn't have any or b: they were not coming in for a landing. Also, any plane/missile can be painted with a logo and it is quite easy to do.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
I have done a lot of research and have access to a lot of research material. Thier are no FBI or NTSB reports for Flight 77 or for that matter any of the planes on 911.
The FBI was the lead investigating agency but i have not seen any incident reports on the aircraft from 911. I can find other reports from other aviation crime scenes but none from 911.
The NTSB is the only agency regulated by the FAA to do crash scene investigations.
Originally posted by Think About IT
First off a missile can be ground launched, air launched, ship launched or submarine launched. There are dozens of types of missiles fired using different equipment.
D.C, the missile could not have stayed parallel to the ground and hit the pentagon without first hitting buildings or trees or whatnot. Therefore, the missile would have to come in at a very sharp angle. The missile would have most likely impacted the top of the pentagon, not the side.
Missiles do not leave impact holes. Why? Well, when a missile penetrates its target it then explodes. As seen in the video it basically blows everything to #. My point: The hole created by the penetration would not be there because it would have been blown up with the explosion. A missile would have left an impact crater, not a small hole. Most of, if not the entire wall would have been gone, there would not have been a small hole in it!
missile would leave a crater not a hole. no missile diamtere comes close to being 2 and 1/2 yards
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
I still cant see how a novice ARAB terrorist can fly a plane in such difficult manner, without hitting the lawn.
Why were no planes scrambled?
There was a 1 in 5 chance this plan would happened to hit the least populated part of the pentagon... but it did.
why did it do a full loop AROUND The pentagon, then slam into the renovated side?
Why would it go all the way to DC... and not hit the whitehouse?
Originally posted by Think About IT
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
I still cant see how a novice ARAB terrorist can fly a plane in such difficult manner, without hitting the lawn.
Why were no planes scrambled?
There was a 1 in 5 chance this plan would happened to hit the least populated part of the pentagon... but it did.
why did it do a full loop AROUND The pentagon, then slam into the renovated side?
Why would it go all the way to DC... and not hit the whitehouse?
Firstly how can you positvely declare the arab terrorists novice's at flying airplanes?
-there was a 1/5 chance, it could be coincidence, could be due to the fact that at the time recent rennovations were taking place.
Reports of it doing a full loop? I never heard this
Why didnt it hit the white house? Simple. From an aerial perspective the pentagon sticks out like a sore thumb. Its across the river, has a huge lawn around it and theres no way you can miss it. The white house, on the other hand, is in the middle of washington d.c. It is surrounded by dozens of buildings and it is rather small. You would have a hard time picking that target out nontheless accuratley hittting it with an airplane.
I dont believe an arab terrorist flew a plane in.
I dont believe a MISSLE hit the pentagon either.
Both of those are too dubious to consider.
Maybe a small commuter jet filled with explosives...
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
There's a fair bit of farmland in the vicinity, as well as a (very) large body of water, and a handful of large-ish national parks. Just because nobody saw a missle being launched, doesn't necessarily mean that it didn't happen. I don't always see my mail man coming, but I know he's been there when I see the mail he's left.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
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The photos of the Pentagon do not show a proper debris field and there is no damage to the lawn in front of the hole.
[edit on 10-12-2006 by ULTIMA1]
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
Presumably, if the plane was 'disappeared' then the passengers were either conspirators who boarded with false identities, or they were 'real people' who were silenced one way or another, imprisoned, re-programmed, or killed.
If I remember, I'll dig up the passenger list later tonight, and post it here.
Originally posted by CameronFox
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
I have done a lot of research and have access to a lot of research material. Thier are no FBI or NTSB reports for Flight 77 or for that matter any of the planes on 911.
The FBI was the lead investigating agency but i have not seen any incident reports on the aircraft from 911. I can find other reports from other aviation crime scenes but none from 911.
The NTSB is the only agency regulated by the FAA to do crash scene investigations.
Ok, so you did research....where is it? Where does it say " There were no matching serial numbers on the aircraft recovered at the pentagon."
Originally posted by Muaddib
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
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The photos of the Pentagon do not show a proper debris field and there is no damage to the lawn in front of the hole.
[edit on 10-12-2006 by ULTIMA1]
"Proper debris field".... what the heck is a "proper debris field"?......
Just like car crashes do not have a "proper debris field", plane crashes do not have a "proper debris field" whatever the heck that means.... I think you are trying to claim "it should have looked this way".......
Plane crashes are not the same, hence you won't find exactly the same pattern in different plane crash debris fields.....
As for there not being any damage to the front lawn of the Pentagon....first of all, the plane crashed mostly against the Pentagon, second even in pictures taken from above you can see the lawn "is not perfect" as some people keep trying to claim...
Anyways, Catherder did an excellent job in compiling some "real information" about the Pentagon crash in the following link.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
[edit on 10-12-2006 by Muaddib]
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
As stated i can not find any FBI or NTSB reports on any of the 911 aircraft crash scenes, no reports of any parts found mathcing any of the 911 aircraft.
Originally posted by Muaddib
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
As stated i can not find any FBI or NTSB reports on any of the 911 aircraft crash scenes, no reports of any parts found mathcing any of the 911 aircraft.
And?.... maybe you are not so good as a researcher...
Could that be the reason?...
www.gwu.edu...
and do check Catherder's link which i gave above there is a lot of informaiton there on what was found which some people around here keep claiming was never found...
[edit on 11-12-2006 by Muaddib]
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
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So you gave me a NSA archive link (I work at NSA). That have basic ATC recordings. What we need are the FBI and / or NTSB incident reports on the 4 aircraft crash scenes?
As stated i have seen all the infomration Catherder had posted, the photos of the parts do not have a source of who took them, thier are no reports matching those parts found to Flight 77.
[edit on 11-12-2006 by ULTIMA1]