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Gates confirms israëli nuclear weapons!!

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posted on Dec, 9 2006 @ 11:02 AM
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The article is in french but it says it all...

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I'll try to translate it.


News: Nuclear Israël - An error from the new defense secretary Robert Gates?

December 9

The new defense secretary, Robert Gates, plunged the israeli autorities in embarrassment by recognizing openly that Israel had nuclear weapons. During his audience before a commission of the American Senate, he declared: "If Iran wishes to obtain nuclear weapon, it is because it is surrounded of powers which holds already this weapon as Pakistan in the east, Russia in the north and Israel in the west"! It is the first time that a very American senior official thus breaks the policy of "blur" deliberately maintained around the Israeli nuclear potential.


So here's a confirmation of the Israëli nuclear weapons. So maybe now we will see an end to the double standarts? Israël/USA and the others? If Iran must be disarmed, Israël too. And Iran is not much more likely to nuke Israël than Israël is of nuking Iran.




posted on Dec, 9 2006 @ 04:39 PM
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posted by Vitchilo

The article is in French but it says it all . . I'll try to translate it.


Nuclear israel - An error from the new defense secretary Robert Gates? 9 Dec 2006 “The new defense secretary, Robert Gates, plunged the Israeli authorities into embarrassment by recognizing openly that Israel had nuclear weapons. During his audience before a hearing of the Senate, he declared: "If Iran wishes to obtain nuclear weapon, it is because it is surrounded of powers which holds already this weapon as Pakistan in the east, Russia in the north and Israel in the west!” It is the first time that a very American senior official breaks the policy of "blurring" to deliberately maintain secrecy around the Israeli nuclear potential.


So here's a confirmation of the Israeli nuclear weapons. So maybe now we will see an end to the double standards? Israel/USA and the others? If Iran must be disarmed, Israel too. And Iran is not much more likely to nuke Israel than Israel is of nuking Iran. [Edited by Don W]



So-called informed people generally say Israel has 50-300 nukes. Most likely the US furnished the fissionable materials and the Israelis built the bombs themselves. It is much harder to use a bomb built by another

Sometime between the Six Day War (1967) and the Yom Kippur War (1973), some brave Israeli revealed publicly that the Israelis were building a-bombs in the Negev Desert. For his trouble, he was sentenced to life in prison and the Israelis apparently have every intention of carrying out the sentence but it is now more for spite than for justice. I have written on his behalf 20 odd years ago when I belonged to Amnesty International.

The NPT never got much co-operation from the Big 5. US, USSR, UK, France and China. It was mostly for the folks back home. To quiet the peace-niks. “Nukes are bad for everyone but us.” One day, we will all regret this attitude on the part of the world’s leaders. When a person like OBL gets one or two of the 15-20,000 nukes floating round the planet, and puts them inside cargo containers to be delivered to an enemy of his choice. It is too bad there is no way to hold “leaders” accountable. Like Robespierre held King Louis XVI liable? Let’s hope any bomb destined for the US of A is sent to W-DC.

Add India and Pakistan because of their unending fight over Kashmir. One survey found 70%+ of Kashmiri wanted to be independent of both India and Pakistan. It is the most valuable area of that size in that region. Now add North Korea because Bush43 is as nuts as Kim Jong Il.

I think Israel can make a better case for having nukes than North Korea. Being somewhat older than you guys, I can recall the Arabs saying, in 1948, they were going to push the Israelis into the Mediterranean Sea. The Arabs have never had the capability to do that, but they love to say it. Jewish people used to say, "Next year in Jerusalem!" Sort of like the Americans shouted in 1898, “Remember the Maine!” It’s a rally cry, a morale booster and costs you nothing. All hyperbole we call it. Braggadocio if you’re Italian. Unfortunately for the Arabs, the Israelis and Americans are able to play off this hyperbole into a cause celebre to do all sorts of wicked things. As in Gaza. As in Lebanon. As in the Occupied Territories. As in Iraq. Etc.

We still have a window of opportunity to fix the Arab Israeli problem that we created. Let us not delay much longer. We will regret that if we keep up the current non-policy. The a-bomb won’t come from Iran, but from other radical anti-Israel anti-American groups. How would the earth look of Tel Aviv and W-DC disappeared the same day? It’s up to us. The stakes are getting higher. The prize remains the same. Does that make good sense?


[edit on 12/9/2006 by donwhite]



posted on Dec, 9 2006 @ 04:57 PM
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Here's an MSNBC interactive that's been online for a while now:

Strategic Israel: The arsenal of an undeclared nuclear power




[edit on 9-12-2006 by psyopswatcher]



posted on Dec, 9 2006 @ 05:32 PM
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posted by psyopswatcher

Here's an MSNBC interactive that's been online for a while now:

Strategic Israel: The arsenal of an undeclared nuclear power



Neither the link by Vitchilo or yours P/W worked on my computer I must have something out of whack?



posted on Dec, 9 2006 @ 05:46 PM
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Total and utter horse crap!

Iran has signed the NPT, they cannot produce bombs. They cannot violate a treaty they willingly signed to get uranium and now change their minds! They will be held accountable! The NPT says nothing about those who already possess nuclear weapons.

For Israel to possess nuclear weapons is highly unlikely. For one when you build a nuclear device, you need data and specifics and that can only be acheived through testing. Which is why all the permanent 5 that have nukes have tested them many times over. Israel hasnt done this! Which means either they have progressed so far in nuclear technology that they dont need to test a device or that they dont have one. Another thing about a nuclear device is delivery systems. Fed-Ex doesnt ship nukes anymore, and thus they have to have delivery systems capable of doing so. They havent announced any nuclear capable delivery systems of their own. This must mean that they have nuclear weapons that just fall out of the sky or they dont have nuclear weapos with them.

The last point is one of practicality. If Israel were to be attacked and it was in imminent danger than it is more than probable that its aggressors will be its closest neighbours. For Israel to nuke them in response would cause fallout in Israel itself, killing Israeli civilians. Not something Israel looks down upon. So it is either Israeli citizens die if they use them or they have technology so superioir that they have a "clean" bomb, without ever testing it!



posted on Dec, 9 2006 @ 05:47 PM
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Both links work for me Don.

Try copy pasting this into your browser:

www.msnbc.com...



posted on Dec, 9 2006 @ 09:47 PM
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IAF101: With all your posts all over the forum, I think you should be banned for all your utter crap racism against muslims.



Iran has signed the NPT, they cannot produce bombs. They cannot violate a treaty they willingly signed to get uranium and now change their minds! They will be held accountable! The NPT says nothing about those who already possess nuclear weapons.

First, there's as much proof about Iran's WMDs than there was about the Iraqis ones. Iran have the right to peaceful nuclear energy as they do today. Anyway, from a survival strategical point, they need nuclear weapons to defend themselves from the globalists as Israël need them to pursue their crimes.



For Israel to possess nuclear weapons is highly unlikely. For one when you build a nuclear device, you need data and specifics and that can only be acheived through testing. Which is why all the permanent 5 that have nukes have tested them many times over. Israel hasnt done this! Which means either they have progressed so far in nuclear technology that they dont need to test a device or that they dont have one. Another thing about a nuclear device is delivery systems. Fed-Ex doesnt ship nukes anymore, and thus they have to have delivery systems capable of doing so. They havent announced any nuclear capable delivery systems of their own. This must mean that they have nuclear weapons that just fall out of the sky or they dont have nuclear weapos with them.

So you know more about Israëlis nuclear weapons than Gates? HAHAHAHA. Yeah right. The US, France and Germany gave nuclear technology to Israël in the 70s. And for testing, they have computer simulations and maybe the US could test Israëlis weapons when pretending it's their own. They have delivery system, they have almost everything the US have in terms of technology so i'm sure they have the top notch.



The last point is one of practicality. If Israel were to be attacked and it was in imminent danger than it is more than probable that its aggressors will be its closest neighbours. For Israel to nuke them in response would cause fallout in Israel itself, killing Israeli civilians. Not something Israel looks down upon. So it is either Israeli citizens die if they use them or they have technology so superioir that they have a "clean" bomb, without ever testing it!

They don't care, Israël have a plan, call the Samson plan and if they are going to be destroyed, they launch nuke at everyone who attacked them, so if Israël die, every arabs in the M-E die with them. They don't care about fallout, the US government paid the Israëli government to irradiate 10.000 jews children for money... They only care about power and money.



posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 06:43 PM
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I think it was the French,back in the 50's. Israel has nukes for quite some time . Obviously they are not as trigger happy as some would like to think.


Link: www.fas.org...

[edit on 11-12-2006 by rdang]

[edit on 11-12-2006 by rdang]



posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 06:58 PM
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They don't care, Israël have a plan, call the Samson plan and if they are going to be destroyed, they launch nuke at everyone who attacked them, so if Israël die, every arabs in the M-E die with them. They don't care about fallout, the US government paid the Israëli government to irradiate 10.000 jews children for money... They only care about power and money.



What ? I may be wrong but The samson option was a book. And please give more info on the 10,000 children.



posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 07:47 PM
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IAF you do know that they can put nukes on cruise missiles. Second if you are building something and You have really good blue prints, the material is handed to you mostly prefabricated and probably being reconstructed with the overwatch of people who have already built the device themselves than you probably don't need to do any random testing in the desert. nuclear weapons aren't as complicated as one would think to build.

Second their nukes could aslo be in the form of a ADAM-Portable atomic demolition unit.(suitcase nuke) place a few in the capitals of the countries who regiem you don't like. Gives you all sorts of leverage.

Why are you so certain that Isreal has no nukes. Everybody knows they do. And their technicaly against international law. They broke a treaty too. wow, what a suprise. So they instigate things by getting and flaunting nukes. Then iran who wants to keep isreal in check and for good reason by developing their own nuke-although we still don't have proof that his intentions will be to create weapons with the uranium, gets blasted by you for trying to do whats in thier countries best needs.



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 12:40 PM
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History Channel Modern Marvels series, today was the Nuclear Weapons and Global Warming series.

Overall, from 1945, the US built 70,000 warheads (mostly 300K size)
The USSR from 1949, built 55,000 warheads (many 2 meg size)
The Russian Federation has 1000 tons enriched uranium
It has 170 tons plutonium Stolen quantities recovered in 70 cases so far.

In two years, 1959 and 1960 the US built over 19,000 warheads. The 2 m. sq ft assembly plant operated by Pantex, a DoE contractor, is now the site for dismantling warheads. Pentax has done 10,000 as of 2004. Stored at the Amarillo facility. The Y12 storage site at Oak Ridge, is for dismantled hydrogen bombs.

The operating and arming device is known as the “MSAD” Mechanical safety and arming device. Supposedly, without the proper code, no bomb can be armed. I do not know if this applies to any bombs other than US bombs.

US DoE currently buys enriched uranium taken from dismantled bombs from Russia.

Until 1991, 540,000 skilled and degree’d people worked on nuclear weapons in the USSR. An equal number worked in other defense industries. It is estimated (2004) that 750,000 people still live in several “closed” cities working on various unspecified but classified projects.



[edit on 12/12/2006 by donwhite]



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 10:44 AM
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Looks like the Arabs let the cat out of the bag too, at the GCC meeting (where all hell's breaking loose):

Saudi Arabia: Middle East on brink of exploding and GCC intends to go Nuclear




Faisal, meanwhile, called on Israel to accept international inspection on its nuclear facilities, saying, "Israel has no excuse to develop nuclear arms."

Although widely believed to be the only nuclear power in the region, Israel has never admitted or denied that it has nuclear weapons.





posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 04:55 PM
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Well we can thank Dr. gates for stating the obvious to us. Is it just me, or did anyone NOT need this guy to tell us the Israel had nukes?

Since they are in bed with us, or vice versa, it is only fitting that they would posess a fair amount of nukes for their own personal protection.



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