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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Originally posted by omega1
The space program is a joke.
NASA spends billions a year and all they have to show for is a few Mars pictures.
We have to save our Earth. This is the only reliable spaceship anyway.
Well, at least that is all they are telling us about. I for one tend to think that there must be some reason for sending rockets into space other than just to "spend money." However, if they are not going to be open about everything that they are finding out, and they haven't been, then,yeah, it's an extreme waste of money.
[edit on 9-12-2006 by SpeakerofTruth]
This film also says a lot about NASA, with its deeply cynical tone and emphasis on bureaucrats. Conceived in the shadow of the Soviet missile gap, its purpose has always been cloudy, and the turgid effects of budget squabbling have lain heavy on it since Apollo 11 finished the primary goal of the organisation's first decade. By the time this film was made there had already been accidents, Apollos 1 and 13, but nothing to compare to what was to come with the Shuttle.
I haven't trusted the organization since reading Feynman's book discussing (amongst his many stories) his key role in determining the cause of the Challenger disaster: What do you care what other people think?. You create a government department, under the auspices of science but which is actually a mixed bag of motivations, from international public relations to pork barrelling, and you are going to find it difficult to justify your stratospheric funding. Go several years down the line and you have an organization hanging on by it's fingernails. To my eye, NASA has been the single biggest resistance to human space exploration in the West of the past 30 years, because they have always had incumbency. How do you compete with billions of tax dollars when you are considering satellite repair/launch as a business line?
I find it deeply, deeply depressing that so little has been made of The X Prize in the general media. There has been no movie made about it, there isn't even an official biography of Burt Rutan; why? Because everyone thinks it's already been done by NASA. The pathetic, clunky, Winnebago of the skies that is The Shuttle, and people pay no attention to the first genuinely practical space program of the private sector. In Capricorn One Hyams showed insights into all of this; there is a strong undertone that the only purpose of NASA is to continue the existence of NASA. It also sent a cold shiver down my spine when I realized the cover-up/mission failed in this movie because of the detaching of the heat shield on re-entry, exactly the cause of the Columbia shuttle disaster in 2003.
Originally posted by Mechanic 32
Not meaning to be mean or anything, but johnlear has made extraordinary claims of moon bases.
Originally posted by thesneakiod
I seriously hope this is a joke. NASA plan to spend an obscene amount of money just
to put some sort of high tech living quarters on the moon? what in gods name for?
No normal average joe will ever get there, we will never see it being constructed, if nything alien is there, we will never see it.
It would cost NASA millions to get people fit for space travel.
NASA also claims it will be a launch pad for our first trip to mars, so by their reckoning, the launch of the biggest and most important space flight in history will be safer in a dodgy cold harsh enviroment with no oxygen, instead of the tried and tested launches from earth?
The moon is a dead rock, so they say. So whatever is there,(past relics and whatnot) we will never be allowed to find out the true secrets of the moon so whats the point.
Its funny how NASA releases pics of supposed water on mars to get people juiced up, then announce they're going to spend a vast amount of money on a pointless projecton which we thought they had given up on years ago.
Originally posted by Fiverz
But ARE they really the only way to get into space?
There are no laws against me building a rocket and going to the moon are there (of course I'm being absurd...)
Originally posted by Schaden
I they can put a base on the moon for only 10 billion, I consider it a bargain.
I bet it will end up costing much more. Also that money is spread out over time.
In the scope of the federal budget, it's a drop in the bucket.
This work placed a total 129 tons initial base for both the in-crater and crater rim installations, as well as a 90 tons “marshalling yard” at the Earth-Moon L-1 libration point. For launch services, the results of an in-house Shuttle-Derived Heavy Lift Launch Vehicle study were used. It is called
Aquila. This vehicle can deliver over 50 tons to low Earth orbit from the Kennedy Space Center,using a combination of Space Shuttle and Delta IV-Heavy components.
Originally posted by The_Time_is_now
10 billion? Thats it? From what ive heard, we spend more than that weekly in Iraq. That seems like a very conservative estimate to me. Have they even designed the Actual base?
Would it be a Subterrainian base, or would it be a biodome type thing?
Do they even have this worked out?
I think it would be much more than "Just" 10 billion.
Originally posted by XphilesPhan
You do realize technologies like microwave ovens,
Originally posted by XphilesPhan
You do realize technologies like microwave ovens, etc. are a direct result of space exploration dont you?
Do you also realize that the earth's population of people is reaching unsustainable numbers? a war will be our only resort if we dont start colonizing other planets.
I wish people would realise the importance of space exploration to the human race rather then sitting around whining that they would rather see the money spent to feed people who will never contribute back to society the resources they absorb.
What happens when an asteroid impacts the earth and leaves the planet in a nuclear winter for a few years and we have never left the planet? Oh! thats right! EXTINCTION!
now if the same sceonario occured and we had colonized the moon and mars, we could back colonize the planet. The human race would survive.
I really dislike people with no vision.
Originally posted by crgintx
I agree with you, X. I can't stand the majority of folk who have placed their own material well being ahead of the survival of the species. If there comes a day within my lifetime that they offer jobs for colonizing the Moon or Mars and I'm still without family ties, I'd gladly volunteer to do it. Somebody in my family had the balls enough to get on a ship from Spain
and come to the Americas about 3-400 years ago and that's why I'm sitting here typing. I'm sure that someone dangled free land in front of him and told him that he'd have to deal with the hazards but nothing risked nothing gained. $10 billion seems like a very small investment these days for the resources that might be gained from the moon or Mars.
Originally posted by XphilesPhan
It's time to start thinking of ourselves as a planet of one, rather than a planet of several hundred nations.
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Mankind does not deserve to land, populate or even setup on any other planet out there in space.
look what we have done to our own planet..
why do we deserve another?