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reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 05:38 AM by CultureD
reply to post by WyrdeOne


You make an outstanding point about our modern cultre being over "hygieneized" (made that word up). I remember spending my childhood in trees, using our spit to wash off wounds, and combing burrs out of our hair. Parents would keel over now if that were the case. And as a result of our active youths, we were rarely ill.

As well, exposure to nature, whether livestock or other forms CAN help (unless we worry about Hanta...). The highest rates of children's asthma is in inner cities- the TB of the 21st century..

And our adaptibility (re: sickle cell and malaria) shows we hve co-evolved with microbes. The problem is US- not the microbes. WE have pushed the microbes to an unnatural state, and not vice versa, IMO


reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 05:43 AM by CultureD
reply to post by soficrow


Thank you, Sofi- THANK you! CA- MRSA is something people believe only happens in nursing homes or inner city hospitals.
It is ubiquitous in every clinic, more dangerous than almost any microbe we contact int he West, and if there were a reassortment with MRSA genes and flu- I'd kiss a lot of us goodbye.

On a personal note- when I had my last surgery in October, I was swabbed for it upon arrival and given intra-nasal prophylactic antibiotic during my stay, despite my refusal of it- vancomycin gel. Now- my surgery was invasive as hel* but nonetheless, I felt as though the hospital used it's patients to breed out the last viable antibiotic against MRSA! This is a hospital connected with the University of Chicago- one would think they would know better....


reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 05:45 AM by CultureD
reply to post by soficrow


Microbes ARE our friends- without probiotics, we get stomach cancer. The bacteria that line our guts communicate with GI epithelial cels and send more signals than our GI cells. We would, quite literally, die without them.



reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 05:55 AM by CultureD
reply to post by soficrow


Sofi-

Forgive me for a facile response based on pop culture- but has anyone read "Rainbow Six" by Tom Clancy? I mention it because a group of lunatics who create an airborne strain of Ebola (don't ask- mediocre science) build a facility in KANSAS that nearly exactly fits your description - it's their place to hide as the world dies around them.

How many Gov sites exist as contingency sites- like Cheyenne if there were nukes- in the case of a bio-attack or outbreak? I apologize again for the anecdotal reference, but it struck me as being WAY to close to your description- from a novel written some 10-12 years ago...


reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 05:58 AM by CultureD
reply to post by soficrow


If it's not MRSA, I hope it's not Strep A, either. There are some bizarre illnesses croppingup all around, non?


reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 06:00 AM by CultureD
reply to post by deessell


Deessell-

A "spray-on" decontaminant could be put in a crop duster over fields, or in high-flying aircraft, as chemtrails. Great call on catching the info BEFORE the E. coli outbreak (of how many on produce this year?) Not to mention the "Mexican" connection to hot peppers most recently....


reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 06:05 AM by CultureD
reply to post by soficrow


Glad you stopped the statins. They're probably the single most dangerous class of drugs on the market.

did you know the US is thinking of writing them for KIDS? Don't stop eating Big Macs- don't get exercise- take a pill that will ruin your body, but lower your cholesterol. Cholesterol is critical to life- cell membranes, hormones, neurotransmitters. And- no one will admit this- it is cardio-PROTECTIVE. If you go to hospital in Japan with congenstive heart failure, they run CoQ10 IV, not "drugs". The guy who won the Nobel for characterizing Q10 got sacked from Merck, as he said it would work better than statins, and you can't patent a naturally occurring protein....

So glad you're ok- don't know what to say

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