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Meltdown Approaches-Why Bush Senior Was Crying?

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posted on Dec, 9 2006 @ 10:27 PM
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Crocodile tears...

That's something that seems to run in that family. I dont like to see men crying unless its a Bush. They respectfully have earned the right to cry, choke, wimper, sob in front of cameras, and they should.
Maybe older Bush is realizing he's in the final chapters of his life and he and his family have earned a one way ticket SOUTH for all eternity.




posted on Dec, 10 2006 @ 12:07 AM
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George H.W. Bush cried at a tribute to his son Jeb thats it plain and simple there is no conspiracy with him crying lets move along nothing to see here.



posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 12:08 PM
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The 4.5 Trillion was an agreed payout amount to the Ameri Trust and that is a substantiated fact.


Do you have proof of this?

If Ameri Trust is owed or wanta is owed $4.5 trillion they would make them the biggest company in the world and yet they dont show up any official list of the largest public or privately owned companies.

Also, the dollar amounts posted in the OP link just dont mesh with the real world. i.e. Bush Sr. controlling 370 trillion dollars or six times the GDP of the entire world. That would make Bush Sr. larger than all of the countries of the worlds economies combined.

This story has HOAX written all over it.



[edit on 11-12-2006 by etshrtslr]



posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 12:59 PM
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More on the Leo Wanta Hoax,


Leo Wanta claims that acting as a Secret Service/Treasury agent he made $27.5 trillion trying to crash the Soviet ruble under Reagan, but that this money (now grown to $60-70$ trillion) was stolen by the Illuminati.



Even without doing any research, these claims are pretty silly. For starters, the Soviet Ruble, was a nonconvertible currency, with a limited market. Trying to profit off of manipulating it would be a futile exercise. Even George Soros only made $2 billion of off his famous attempt to crash the Bank of England.



From the Capital Times on 21 November 1995, in an article titled, rather tellingly, "DELUSIONAL' CON MAN GETS EIGHT-YEAR TERM":



Wanta -- described as delusional by his own attorney -- continued his scam to the end


thechiefbrief.blogspot.com...



posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by etshrtslr
More on the Leo Wanta Hoax,


Even without doing any research, these claims are pretty silly. For starters, the Soviet Ruble, was a nonconvertible currency, with a limited market. Trying to profit off of manipulating it would be a futile exercise. Even George Soros only made $2 billion of off his famous attempt to crash the Bank of England.




To claim that the Soviet Union fell due to nothingis also a joke, so how are you proposing that it fell ?

The simple fact remains hyper inflation lead the Soviet Union into decline in the latter half of the 80's. This hyper inflation was caused by the Rouble becoming worthless and for those who dont know I can give some insight to what Wanta was claiming.

He basically bought all the roubles from Asian and Eastern European countries for a fraction of what they were worth and then he negotiated an exchange of the Wanta Faction held Roubles with the Russian govt. at about 90% of their worth ( with the Russians thinking they were getting a bargain ) in exchange for large amounts of Russian held Gold.

They then onsold the gold for its true worth into European banks and used the Euro money to pay off all these Asian-Eastern European Russian debts. So now Russia was awash with its own currency, no gold and hyper inflation began and the story is history now.



posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 06:55 PM
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The elder Bush undoubtedly feels responsible for the mess Jr. has gotten himself into.
Not only did he have a hand in the steps that led to the situation in that part of the world, he raised/spoiled George to think he made no mistakes (or would be miraculously saved from the consequences of any bad decisions)
......put the two together and it's enough to make anyone cry.

What was the 'official' line about Poppy's tears?? I saw the video where Jeb jumped in to lead him away, but missed the lead up to the tears.



posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 07:10 PM
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mazzroth,

In your post you said:


The 4.5 Trillion was an agreed payout amount to the Ameri Trust and that is a substantiated fact.


And I asked you to prove that statement......you have not.

I have provided numerous facts and information to prove the Leo Wanta story is a utterly complete hoax.

Prove your statement I quoted....Prove Leo Wanta made 27.5 trillion dollars trading a non convertible currency.

All you have posted is just complete conjecture and parroting some idiots who have know idea about currency trading. Provide some facts and figures.



[edit on 11-12-2006 by etshrtslr]



posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 10:15 PM
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I did a little research - true or not - it is a very fine read indeed.

Gonna keep looking into it.

I wish I could get the specific executive orders mentioned so I could pull them up for cross examination


Leo Wanta was a distinguished employee of the US Treasury Department during the Reagan administration. As President Reagan’s most trusted conduit with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, Wanta was a member of the President’s inner circle of foreign policy advisors.



Wanta set up shop as a currency speculator in Switzerland in the early 1980s, where he began trading in currency futures – specifically the Soviet ruble. His funding came from the US Treasury Department. Although little is known of the still-classified details, it is obvious today that Wanta’s clandestine poker game with the Russians was successful. They lost, and we won. The stakes of this superpower economic warfare were unprecedented.
The sum of money involved is not in the millions, or even the billions. It is currently, according to this former Treasury official, in the neighborhood of $27 trillion. It is held in trust by Leo Wanta, representing the executive branch of the US Government. The authorization was signed by President Ronald Reagan in May of 1983, and remains valid.



Before you dismiss this story as some kind of lunacy, you should also know that the Federal court in Alexandria, Virginia decreed in 2003 that the enormous fund belongs to the American people, and that the legitimate trustee - by Presidential directive - is Leo Emil Wanta.
There are plenty of people who want to get their greedy hands on the money, and therein lies the problem. Since 1988, Wanta has been the victim of attempts to get the money from both major political parties. Wanta reports that over $700 billion has been taken from the fund illegally, with collusion from Presidents Clinton, Bush Sr., and Bush Jr. A Swiss financial crimes investigator calls the transfers “the greatest bank heist in world history”.



Wanta claims that the Bush family, through banking connections, gained over $100 billion from the fund, laundered through Pilgrim Investments. Marc Rich also grabbed a similar amount through Martwell Investments Ltd. A half-billion went to Neil Bush through Silverado Investments. How did they do it? The Swiss banks holding the funds are obliged to invest them and earn interest. So they “loaned” money from the fund, using Promissory Bank Notes and arbitrage transactions – legal in Europe, but illegal in the US. The bankers were provided with documentation showing that the Trustee, Leo Wanta, had died in 1994. When he was finally released from state custody last year and went public, the # hit the fan in Europe as bankers discovered he was alive and still the legal trustee of the trillions of dollars they had been using as liquid assets.



Promissory Bank Notes (PBNs) are one form of bank instrument used
by countries in their nation debt financing. They are also used as
the basis of arbitrage transactions, which are illegal in the United
States, but not elsewhere. In this transaction for an overall face
value of $27.5 trillion US DOLLARS, the PBNs have been purchased by a
consortium of funders, predominately from the Far East and Europe.
The funders have agreed to purchase the PBNs at 71.5% of their face
value, to be repaid at par in 20 years and 1 day, together with an
annual interest of 7 1/2%. The PBNs have been sold by a consortium
of some 200 banks at a cost of 61.5%. The 10.0% difference is made
up of bank fees, suppliers (collateral) fees, funding agents fees
and various commission fees, together with monies going to various
countries to fund projects.



posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by etshrtslr
mazzroth,

And I asked you to prove that statement......you have not.

I have provided numerous facts and information to prove the Leo Wanta story is a utterly complete hoax.



etshrtslr

Firstly, I dont have provide you with anything, mate you have obviously made up your mind here so go off on your merry way disproving things with paste's from who knows were!.

Secondly, believe what you want Im not totally sold on the Wanta story myself and if you had of bothered to read any of my other post's on this subject over the months you would know this.

Thirdly, go look for yourself Im not wasting any effort with your request's as you obviously are just trolling.

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[edit on 11-12-2006 by mazzroth]



posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 10:36 PM
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WoW!!

It gets even better!


Michael C. Cottrell, treasurer for the Wanta financial group set to repatriate $4.5 trillion into the U.S. economy, said he received documented inside information the Bush administration sent North Korea $55 million the day after it set off a nuclear testing device.



In the meantime, we know that Wanta is out of jail, and that for survival the US economy urgently needs his accumulated trillions of dollars.

According to another article of Greg Szymanski, published on October 3, 2006, we learn that during the era of US President Reagan, Ambassador Wanta was used as a strategic economic pawn of the New World Order, of the CIA and probably also of the Vatican; of course, as always, behind the scenes, the latter was controlling Wanta's $4.5 trillion in repatriated off shore money.

Concerning this scandal, Eric Jon Phelps, the author of the world famous writing, "Vatican Assassins", strongly confirms Roman Catholic Church involvement in this kind of international economic corruption and fraud.






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posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 11:03 PM
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This is pretty scary it its true, it could ignite a 3rd world war and the blame would be aquarely on the head of Bush Sr./Jr.



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by crisko
WoW!!

It gets even better!


can you please link your source to the quotes you're posting, or is it from a previous link alredy posted ?

Cheers.



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by ImJaded

Originally posted by crisko
WoW!!

It gets even better!


can you please link your source to the quotes you're posting, or is it from a previous link alredy posted ?

Cheers.


They are from multiple sources.

Click here for an interesting read.



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 12:46 AM
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Well it looks as if Wanta isn't owed the money - but the American People are - he is just the trustor.




Bush Stalling 'At 12th Hour' Wanta $4.5 Trillion Deal To Improve American Economy
Negotiations expected to end Monday night with word coming Tuesday whether trillions of repatriated offshore money will be returned to the American people
31 Jul 2006

By Greg Szymanski



Last minute negotiations were underway late Monday night between the White House and Ambassador Leo Wanta to release $4.5 trillion in repatriated funds into the American economy, according to Michael C. Cottrell, Wanta's financial consultant and AmeriTrust Groupe Inc., treasurer.



Wanta earlier had given U.S. authorities until the close of business on July 31 to honor a written agreement and release the massive sum of money to his AmeritTrust Groupe on behalf of the American people.



Furthermore, the Wanta story trumpets loud and clear how the likes of the Illuminati, including Daddy Bush and Clinton, has their hand in the trillion dollar cookie jar for their own benefit and now, if anybody cares to pursue the matter in this country, how they can finally be indicted for defrauding the people



For example, the Wanta story goes back to August of 1989 when Daddy Bush wanted him to illegally transfer $1 billion in U.S. money to an account in Panama for Bush's own person use.



When Wanta refused, citing violations of criminal statutes for anyone to personally benefit, including a President, from public funds, he was taken out of the picture with a bogus 22 year jail term.



Wanta was even told at the time by high ranking official, James Baker, it was useless to try and block the matter since people like Bush were above the law, saying it would be better to just turn a blind eye.



However, Wanta refused, keeping records of the transaction and his communications with Baker, the $1 billion, however, eventually making its way to Bush despite Wanta's objections in an account listed under Pilgrim Investments/Jorge (George) Bush.



But according to Wanta, who has proven to be an honest and loyal American, the $1 billion is only the tip of the ice berg of stolen funds diverted by the Illuminati from an estimated $27.5 trillion to $70 trillion raised at the end of the Cold War by Wanta on behalf of then President Ronald Reagan.





Link.

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posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 12:54 AM
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Thanks!

I was a little confused at the start of the thread, with all the conflicting information. Just wanted more info.

Cheers



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 12:59 AM
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If you are one for details - here are some.


Although Bush and the mainstream press have not uttered a peep about the massive amount of money headed for U.S. coffers, in the letter the President was made aware of the particulars of the deal, including an estimated 1.6 trillion to be placed in the U.S. Treasury as taxes paid by AmeriTrust.

Further, as noted by the International Currency Review, the deal provides for the following arrangements made between Wanta's organization and the U.S. Treasury, all made known to Bush:

1. Pay 35% tax direct to the Treasury, amounting to $1,575,000,000,000 prepaid.

2. Pay 6% state tax to the State of Virginia amounting to approximately $270,000,000,000 prepaid.

3. Generate windfall tax payments to the US Treasury worth at least $96 billion per banking day.

4. Generate secondary tax windfalls arising from related financial transactions by US counter-parties and others worth at least the same amount again, so that total daily tax windfalls accruing to the Treasury/Internal Revenue Service will aggregate an estimated $200 billion per banking day [3 + 4].

5. As a consequence, rehabilitate the US Federal Government's finances, reversing the decades of financial decadence, and providing resources for infrastructure and other projects, tax reductions (including a possible outright abolition of Inheritance Tax, and income and corporate tax cuts), plus additional resources for the vulnerable segments of society.

Presently, the 4.5 trillion is being held by Bank of America in Richmond, Va., as the Federal Reserve Board is illegally blocking the release of the money to the U.S. Treasury, the American People, AmeriTrust and Wanta.


But this next part is the real kicker..


However, financial observers claim if Wanta proceeds after the total amount it could bankrupt many large worldwide financial institutions, lacking the liquidity to meet Wanta's request, as much of the money has been illegally diverted or stolen by corrupt U.S. officials like Bush and Clinton.

Dubbed the Wanta Plan by financial onlookers, analysts suggests the massive settlement if used properly could once again turn around the U.S. economy, erase the Bush-orchestrated 8 trillion plus National Debt and again put the needs of the American people and its faltering infrastructure at the forefront instead of in the background.


Link.



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 01:35 AM
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I found Wanta's court case from Wisconsin.

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UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR SEVENTH CIRCUIT

In Re:

Ambassador Leo Wanta, Somalia

Ambassador to Canada and Switzerland, DPP#-04362

Court of Appeal & 12535, aka Lee E. Wanta

Case No: 02 1878

aka Leo E. Wanta




Boring stuff I know - but it includes the specifics of his arrest. It looks as if he wasn't extradited from Sweden (they are a non extradition country if I recall correctly)




Wanta received official investiture from the President of Somalia as Ambassador from Somali to Canada and Switzerland in June of 1993. Wanta entered the United States in November of 1993 and was arrested by special agents of the FBI on a Federal Warrant based on a claim by the State of Wisconsin pertaining to flight to avoid prosecution. Wanta presented Diplomatic Passports as the Somalia Ambassador to Canada and Switzerland as his entry documents to immigration officials when clearing United States customs. His Diplomatic Passports contained Identification Cards for travel to the United States issued by the United States Consulate located in Switzerland. Wanta did not possess nor present to Immigration/Customs officials a United States passport for purpose of obtaining permission to enter the United States.


So he came to the country on his own free will? This is contrary to what i have read. Or was he infact extradited and it just doesn't reflect such in the documentation.

I wonder, because I found this.


President Clinton, set the ball rolling by targeting the Trustor himself. Ordered by William Sessions, the head of the FBI, to travel with intelligence aides to Switzerland in 1993 with a brief to arrest Marc Rich, Wanta was himself arrested and flung into a stinking jail for 134 days - by the Swiss authorities. Almost simultaneously, Clinton fired William Sessions without giving any reason, and Vince Foster, an FBI informant who had been handling funds 'belonging' to the Children's Defense Fund, a CIA front for funny money, was murdered in the Washington, DC area.



Wanta's effects, including 18 US Treasury instruments worth $18 billion, were removed from him - and the official assets worth $18 billion face value have disappeared. Following an urgent intervention by the late Israeli Prime Minister, Yitzhak Rabin, Mr Wanta was suddenly released, but was then taken, still in shackles, to Geneva airport and flown to New York. After being frog-marched through Kennedy, this distinguished and upright US Treasury intelligence officer was arraigned before a judge on a trumped-up charge at the US Eastern District Court of New York. The judge saw through the ruse and threw the case out, but Leo Wanta was illegally re-arrested on the courtroom steps without a warrant, on instructions from the Wisconsin authorities.



During incarceration in that State and elsewhere, attempts were made to have this distinguished US Treasury officer - still of course Trustor of the original $27.5 trillion of intergovernmental funds and the relevant accruals - declared insane. He underwent five so-called 'lunacy tests', his life being saved when a doctor of Chinese extraction, no doubt familiar with similar abuses back in her home country, refused to certify him. Had she done so, he would have been sent to a Soviet-style 'psychiatric hospital' and never heard from again.



For it emerged that the CIA had systematically lied that Leo Wanta had long since been dead. This false information was of course exploited by the many US intelligence crooks who had been making illegitimate use of the Trustor's funds.



In other words, neither the banks nor the CIA ever thought that the funds would be claimed. Imagine the cataclysmic shocks that reverberated around the world's international banks when it began to be rumoured late last year that, far from being long since dead, Leo Wanta was alive and had gone to court to obtain a ruling on the disposition of the assets.


The above is by Christopher Story, of the International Currency Review.

Link.


Interesting Stuff.




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posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 08:16 AM
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mazzroth,

Why do you post this as fact?


The 4.5 Trillion was an agreed payout amount to the Ameri Trust and that is a substantiated fact.


If your not able to provide the proof of it.

The Leo Wanta story is a joke there is no proof anywhere he made any money from trading any currency much less the ruble which Ill state again was a non convertable currency when he allegedly made 27.5 trillion from trading it.

Russia GDP in 2005 was only 1.6 trillion dollars.

www.cia.gov...

And it was much smaller in the early 90's than it is today. But some how by some miracle Leo Wanto was able to make 17 times Russia's GDP in today's dollars by trading a non convertible currency.

Or another way to look at it....Leo Wanta would have to make the total amount the Russian economy generated every year for 17 years to make 27.5 trillion dollars.

So to believe the Leo Wanta story you have to believe that every dollar/ruble generated by the Russian economy the past 17 years went straight to Leo Wanta

Dont let the facts get in the way of a good story.



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 08:55 AM
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Indeed - it does make for some good reading.

Is this true? I think parts of it may be - but the whole jist just seems really out there.

I found the executive order - but I can't make any connection between it and Wanta. I found the Judge the supposedly ruled that the powers that be need to pay up - but I can't find any specifics on the case itself other than that it was in 2003.

As for the large sum, from what I have read it includes interest owed over the span of the last 15 years as well.



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 09:29 AM
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As for the large sum, from what I have read it includes interest owed over the span of the last 15 years as well.


Yeah and thats put the number up to 60-70 trillion dollars.....or the total world GDP for 1 year.



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