Originally posted by daystrom
Thank you for your personal opinion of my pointless and fruitless endeavor.
Youre welcome. Dont be all offended, but you'll have to excuse my jadedness of the idea of looking for a needle in a hayfield. I've been on this
case since it's public onset and seen firsthand the lengths Springer and others have gone to as far as trying to garner other pics and video. I've
spoken to an eyewitness that said there should be LOTS of pics, but sadly none have surfaced (and thats with extreme scouring). We did have legitimate
photos, in fact a series, that came out of the Chicago surrounding area that seem to be the exact same object, and we were devastating lucky to have
gotten them in conjuction with that original O'Hare search and very public calls for photos.
You are talking about (I think) searching for shots that arent looking for the event or evidence of it, but rather candid and offhand possibilities of
lucking out and finding it in a photo in Flikr or something.
Admirable, but extremely remote. What I see happening is you finding something you *think* might be what youre looking for, and posting it, and
thereby throwing more mix into the pool that in all likelyhood wont be anything to do with the event. More likely a matrixed pixel or bird, plane etc.
But then you'll have those who argue it and say, there's the hole in the clouds and there's more proof.
Before ya know it, that misidentified picture is associated with the case thru proliferation and blind association on the net. Then we got a big mess
to deal with in telling people it isnt that, and so on.
I'm not saying you'd put forth anything you didnt think was good, but after a few months of searching a blurred bird is going to look like a
Now thats extrapolated to the extreme, but that is what happens ultimately. I've seen it countless times over 2 decades in the field.
Originally posted by daystrom
Would you care to offer your professional opinion as an ATS Conspiracy Master and Image Specialist on my nonprofessional enhancements of the Lonely
Walk photograph? Did I manage to pull a bird in flight and the Chicago skyline out of that blanket of fog?
Nope. The bird yes, but that isnt very hard to do with an auto-level adjust thats easily see-able. In fact in a zoom scenario, I can see it without
any adjusting. What you have is much larger then it should be, but thats no fault of anything other then the filter. The skyline isnt not a skyline,
but is a result of pixelation by virtue of a color profile and inadvertant posterizing type artifacts by that filter.
This is essentially what I'm getting at. Alot of people want to "analyze" a photo and dont have much awareness of imaging and artifacts that come
with the territory (much less the intricacies of light and shadow). I understand people want to be involved, but the people who dont understand or
arent versed in imaging very well - really tend to make matters worse by putting forth stuff that is unwarranted and before ya know it someone picks
it up and uses it as gospel for that particular case. (I'm not saying you've done this, just an example)
We gotta try and keep waters clean in a case like this. I was up at the onset for over 48 hours straight on ONE photo (Springer can tell ya, thats no
B.S.). Biedny did the same, and we collaborated on it for another day before we could end the exam. There are still people who ernestly believe the
shot I originally found that might have suugested a hoax is the basis for the UFO photo, even after showing them ocular distortions that prove it
couldnt possibly be from the same camera.
Anyway...thats the kind of work that has to be done, so I hope that explains my...I dunno...my attitude towards a search in a hayfield.
It's not apathy, as my track record says I'm anything but that...it's more trying to focus energy and attention where it's going to bear out
actual results we can more or less lat hands on.
But dont let me influence you not to look if you want to. You could hit the lottery, but I dont expect it....but who knows. I'd only ask you run it
thru Springer before you post any "this might be" ones so we keep the pool clean. This is a really important case and ultimately there may be more
to it to come.