Originally posted by Watcher777
I emailed Mr. Puckett to ask him if he thought this was the case and this is what he had to say. Also, what is the difference between an aviation radar and the FAA radar?

same thing....but he makes a very good point that i did not consider: air traffic radar does screen out slow moving objects. otherwise the scopes would be cluttered with things like flocks of geese. we have a seprarate button to bring up the weather display on our radar so that it doesnt clutter out our aircraft data displays.

so yes, he's absolutely correct that, along with the cone of silence problem, the radar probably wouldnt have displayed a stationary object because it would be filtered out.

Originally posted by Springer
THANKS for the great work. I am going to put your translation in the Discovery documentary. You'll notice you have 50,000 more ATS points and I threw in a few BTS and PTS for good measure.

why thank you sir....glad to be of service.

Originally posted by Bhadhidar

Originally posted by Springer
That being said, WHAT technology do we have that blast a hole in 7,000 foot thick cloud cover in less than a second?! That's a heck of a technology in and of itself that many experts (Doctors of Physics, ultra senior Intelligence Officers, etc...) I have discussed this with flatly deny we have.

7000 feet per second translates to over 25,000 MPH, or, better than Mach 32...In les than 1 second!

Although the math is beyond me, I'm sure some one on this board could calculate:


The g-force experienced by an object accelerating from 0 to Mach 32 in les than 1 second, and,

The volume of air that likely would be diplaced by a 20-30 foot disc-shaped object accelerating at that speed. (and yet no one reported a "sonic boom", or any sound at all, upon the object's departure!).


Could the lack of a sonic boom be because the object maintained a "mostly vertical" trajectory?

Big Note To Self: NEVER, NEVER DO MATH AT NIGHT!!!!!

7000 FT @ second x 3600 seconds in 1 hour = 25,200,000 FT @ hr=4772.73 MPH

Speed of sound is variable with air temp/pressure; lets assume 730MPH for this excercise.

4772.73 MPH gives (very) roughly Mach 6.5?

0-Mach 6.5 in about 1 second? Ouch!

Again. Self, never do math a night!

This object that was seen could be a Quantumized craft able to change the frequency of its mass so that it is more of a energy form than a mass. Thats the only way a object that moved that fast could do it. E=hf. Object was seen one moment than gone the next? This tells me that it changed its mass to a point where the energy produced could not be seen in the visible light spectrum. Looks to me like it was operating in the near ultraviolet light spectrum when it took off. This would explain why there was no sonic boom and not seeing it accelerate. It was just gone with a hole, where the energy vaporized the clouds.

I've always wondered how these craft have been able to obtain the speeds that they do and yet not perturb our atmosphere to the point of creating any sonic booms. I mean if the craft is dense enough to punch a hole in the cloud bank above it, then its seems to be disturbing the air around it somehow but not in a manner to create a shockwave from its acceleration. How are those two effects separated or explained without screwing up the physics of the event?

They have to be existing in a realm beyond which physics as we know it do not apply. Anything that moves within our atmosphere at sea level at speeds around 770 mph @ 70 Deg. creates a shockwave ahead of it. This changes of course with altitude and atmospheric conditions, high-low pressures water vapor density etc.

Is it possible that the craft are existing in a different type of space, maybe at the quantum level, maybe existing in between the matter itself in some type of exotic sleeve of artificially created space? If that was the case though how could the craft affect the clouds as it passed through it? Or maybe it alters matter in a way as to leave an after affect of its residing in it? A conversion of some type or a local disruption of time even? Should we even be able to see it if it is manipulating space and the matter around it? Maybe we are just observing the fuzzy affects the craft is producing on the matter around it, but not the physical craft itself.

Really, there has to be an explantion for these things having the ability to break our laws of physics as we know then at this point, eh?

Bah! Just some mental MB on my part. Someday I guess we will be privy to the more exotic side of propulsion and matter manipulation, and then we will all collectively go "Ooooo, thats how they do it - it so simple! How come we never thought of that!".

Originally posted by Lost_Mind
Maybe we are just observing the fuzzy affects the craft is producing on the matter around it, but not the physical craft itself.

I think that is a very interesting point. It almost looks like it mimics the sky surrounding the craft. That could be the craft disturbing it. "Eyewitness" did say the craft was difficult to focus on and pinpoint it's exact features. This might also be explained.

The military has been trying to develop a similar camoflage or invisibility hasn't it? I lean more to the disturbed surrounding though.

Not being anywhere near as literate as I need to be on quantum mechanics to speak intelligently about this, my mind tries to imagine the craft acting like a pumpkin seed being squirted out from between your fingers. The speed is determined by the force of the "squirting". Also, when you are "squirting" the seed your fingers are not actually touching the seed but a viscous material around it.

No affect on the atmosphere because it is "unzipping" matter ahead of it and very quickly "zipping" it back up behind it at a higher rate. In essence allowing the matter it is residing in to "push" the craft along at very high rates without needing to deal with inertia and friction etc. because its actually "in between" the molecules at a quantum level and would no be burdened by the normal physical outside affects of air, gravity, weather, etc. This could also affect how we percieve these craft as well...

Just a guess, but it sounds cool!

i kinda think that if they're real they cling to dark matter, like a submarine underwater etc

What is most important is that the observed data is the observed data, and if we cannot come up with an explanation for it, that does not mean we should ignore the data. Most of us here understand that. This point, however, needs to be stressed for the general audience of the public at large.

There are plenty of far out possibilities involving quantum mechanics, unconventional forces, time vector alteration, etc. Its all way out there, but in the realm of that which we don't understand the last thing we want to do is discard the data because it doesn't fit conventional models.


[edit on 26-2-2007 by Ectoterrestrial]

I'm one of the few (or so I'd like to believe at least) persons who's seen two semi-camouflaged/cloaked in my lifetime. About a year ago when I was as most active on this subject I came to a couple of conclusions about how the supposed cloaking device of these crafts work, and I concocted a quasi-probable theory based on personal beliefs (so they're not That scientifically reliable) regarding the matter.

If anyone thinks I should take some time and compare the O'hare sighting to my own experiences, raise your hand.

A typical far away UFO picture which could be anything.

if you zoom in you can se that the whole square around the ufo is a different hue, caused by pasting.

Don´t want to be a spoil sport but ive done loads of image manipulation in my time

I don't know if this was brought up in this lengthy thread but as I have asked in another post; if the UFO flew up with such velocity as to "punch a hole in the clouds" why wasn't there a sonic boom?

Originally posted by Lecter
I don't know if this was brought up in this lengthy thread but as I have asked in another post; if the UFO flew up with such velocity as to "punch a hole in the clouds" why wasn't there a sonic boom?

The simple answer is that no one knows. And that correlates to a lot of other 'boom-less' UFO sightings. It's just another mystery I'm afraid.

Originally posted by Lecter
I don't know if this was brought up in this lengthy thread but as I have asked in another post; if the UFO flew up with such velocity as to "punch a hole in the clouds" why wasn't there a sonic boom?

Lost_Mind just brought that to our attention. ( Look Up )
I wonder if the spinning of the craft has anything to do with altering our atmosphere? Maybe the voltage and mangentics of it does. Just want to know some answers, do we have a quantum physics specialist here

Originally posted by Solarskye

Originally posted by Lecter
I don't know if this was brought up in this lengthy thread but as I have asked in another post; if the UFO flew up with such velocity as to "punch a hole in the clouds" why wasn't there a sonic boom?

Lost_Mind just brought that to our attention. ( Look Up )
I wonder if the spinning of the craft has anything to do with altering our atmosphere? Maybe the voltage and mangentics of it does. Just want to know some answers, do we have a quantum physics specialist here

A point was brought up before that ufos dont interact with our atmosphere because of their "energy fields" that allow them to zip around our atmosphere without the consequence of air drag but why would that principal work on air and not on water wapor "clouds"? If an object punches a hole in a cloud it clearly is being influenced by our atmosphere so why not a sonic boom?

If an object punches a hole in a cloud it clearly is being influenced by our atmosphere so why not a sonic boom?

Clearly the have conquered the sonic boom issue with their advanced technology. I assume they don't want to be seen or heard most of the time so the only way to accomplish this is to conquer it.
I think we have to think outside the box and not compare ufo's to what we know. We lack the knowledge to know how to overcome a sonic boom. The aliens know how. We can't reach the speeds of the flying ufo's or maneuver like that without hurting ourselves or die trying, but ufo's know how. We can't fly in space with free energy or whatever the et's use but they know how to do it.
We can't assume that just because our jets and spaceshuttles create a sonic boom that the ufo's should to. Remember, their technology is way more advanced than ours.

And this is just one small PUBLIC release... you would be amazed what they aren't telling you

Yep, this I know is a fact... even IF there were no aliens, the US government is the most technologically advanced government in the world ten fold.

For the skeptics out there - ask some relatives, or friends who are in the military or who have served about 'strange' technology or interesting things they have seen during there service. Some may be very reluctant to talk, but others... you'll be surprised at what they tell you