Originally posted by khunmoon

Everything changes, definitions, reality etc., nothing static, least of all glass.

I was taught that it was a liquid also.

Now back to topic. Are there any OOParts that are not frauds?
Marduk your google fu is awesome. Can you see if there are any that cannot be explained?

Thanks

[edit on 15-12-2006 by ultralo1]

Marduk, I dont know where to start. I like the fact that you make me think about things. There are so many thoughts that I want to express. As Mulder says "I want to believe". I dont know why I want to but I do. I do belive in science but I also believe that science is still in its infancy and to think we have most of the answers is ignorant. We as modern people seem to have an arrogance in our belief that we are smart and advanced.
Scientific theory is based on concensus (sp). I know your are going to say something about repeatable expeirments, i am talking about theoretical science. Astronemy just had an upset a month or two ago when a gamma burst lasted longer than a few seconds. Decades of research and concensus and Phds patting each others back, all of that was thrown out the window in less than a day. Did science say that "we were wrong". No they said that it was it was always probable that it could happen but the chances were so small that it was inconcievable.

The point to my ramblings is that in my opinion, science is a growing evolving theory. All it takes is one different outcome or one different observation to throw the theroies out the window. So to place ones "faith", for a lack of a better word, into science is small minded.

I have a deep mistrust in archeology, not because of any consperacy, but due to the fact that archeology has a lot of eductated guess work involved in it. Yes, the artifacts that they dig up are real but when it comes to piecing a society and culture together from burial sites and artifacts I find it hard to believe that the guesses are accurate. We cannot even get a concensus on whether dinosaurs had skin or feathers. So when archeologist tell me that there is no way that any other civilization could have existed before us, I just smile and wait for that one discovery that just might show up one day that proves them wrong. Dont ask me why I hope that they are wrong, I dont know why. Maybe it is just to show them that they were wrong, or maybe its just to show them that thier arrogance was unjustifyed.

Marduk,

thank you for that last post on Gobustan. I am very interested in artifacts that seem out of place for their time period. This interest does not stem from my own desire to find evidence for some theory. I believe humans are very ingenuitive, and a group of us can come up with some pretty advanced stuff to fit our needs and wants.

This find at Gobustan is very interesting. I especially enjoyed the description of graffiti found from Roman legions and Alexander the Great's men. It's like an ancient subway car.


Also, thank you to the other poster for providing the extra links. I will try and digest those at some point.

If anyone has any other artifacts the archeological community finds interesting.... please let me know.

i think this is funny

person A has beleif and look for ideas to support it

person B has beleif and look for ideas to support it



person A has more "expertise" and therefore more less likely to admit holes in his ideas, or any long held beleifs


person B has less "expertise" and his ideas are deemed as "imaginative" or unsupported by the minds that are collectively worshipped and respectively "hived" in regards to appease the currenty power structure

WE MAY NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH we just beleive we do

do most "scholars" hold the beleif that civilizations from thousands of years ago COULD NOT have had better technologies or understandings of knowledge then WE DO NOW?

is this beleif rooted in the misconception that our society places success and wealth based on MATERIAL items. so since there were no beamers and rolex's thousands of years ago, these civilizations were INFERIOR to us. something tells me these ancient civilizations had a higher value on SPIRITUALITY, which seems almost fictional and mystical to many today.

so i wonder if because of these commonly held beleifs what ever they find dating back in the past is somehow defined in a way that fits there beleifs and other stuff like crystals and tzolkin wheels are just kind of marveled at like "ah that's cute a crystal" and wow they had an ancient calander guess they weren't all that dumb. that my friends IS IGNORANCE and it is ignorance past down to these respected minds who mold our beleifs and opinions.


[edit on 24-12-2006 by cpdaman]

Bryd,
Thanks for the reply. I do not mistrust scientist, I work with them everyday. I work mostly in the life sciences. So I do not have first hand knowledge of the physical sciences like archeology. My statements regarding them are generalized. I do stand by my statement that I find it hard to believe how archeology can guess at how cultures and life styles were just by looking at what they dig up. For example the discovery channels version of walking with dinosaurs, they were telling the matting habits of creatures that have been extinct for millions of years and passing it on as a fact. It is times like that when I question the validity of the teachings. Just like in last months National geographic magazine, they had an artical about the oldest child skeleton. They made a whole page, including graghics, about how the child was carried by his mother and father and how he was cared for. They only stated once at he begining of this exerpt the words "may have". I personally feel that when a subject is purely conjecture that there should be a large disclaimer. This should be even more so in articales an programs that are directed at the general public, so it is not interpreted as fact.

Hope you had a merry christmas

i was listening to george noory last night...and some guy on there who i think was a palentologist (i was dozing off) mentioned something about the whole..them not being allowed to tell the public all of their discoveries too..so i have heard that before..i think it's true. who knows what kind of shiz they have found and not told us. maybe we shouldn't know

so when you were half asleep you heard a palaeontologist say he couldn't divulge all the secret things he uncovered
fyi Palaeontologists study dinosaurs
what do you think he found
the remains of a nuked plesiosaur with a "ban nuclear testing now" placard

im getting a bit sick of you filling every thread with religious fundementalism
you can shove Allah where the sun doesnt shine for all I care
he doesnt exist and you know it
if you think he does and is the answer to everything why is it you are only saying that on a public forum
this reeks that you have little real faith
people who do have faith don't feel the need to talk about it all the time
they are content with it and it is enough
its the same as the old saying that those who talk about sex all the time arent getting any
this forum is not the place for this kind of nonsense
every time the "A" word comes out of your mouth a little bit more of your soul gets dragged down to hell for being faithless
you've already been warned once by the mod team that this forum is not the place for Allah
why don't you take him out and play with him somewhere else