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Future Shock

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posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 02:39 AM
Well, Hunting Veritas, I see that you became interested enough to actually do the research...My article was intentionally designed to be general in nature, because I know that anyone who really wants to know the truth is going to have to confirm it for themselves, otherwise, they'll never believe it. I've merely provided the directions that can lead one to the real truth. Good show!

Originally posted by 2Super7E123
This paragraph caught my interests the most more or less likely because I am in the 'U.S.' Military myself.

I was too...During "Daddy Bush's Reign". It "woke me up" & I opted not to re-enlist when my term was up. I was in a less-combative, more-technical rate in the Navy & saw first-hand how "office politics" work. That was the primary motivator that got me started in "conspiracy reasearch".

Originally posted by 2Super7E123
Maybe you can personally get me back on track with a synopsis of sorts why the NESARA never happened when it was supposed to and how close is it for the NESARA to ATLAST become a reality???

I don't personally know why it's taking so long...IMO, it must be a majority of the citizen body in support to make it happen & make it stick.

Originally posted by 2Super7E123
I will do my all to show all those interested and not interested this article because it is all apart of MY FREE WILL to Share this Piece of UNprecedented Plausible Piece of Information.

You & everybody else are all welcome to do so...As long as you mention my "user name" as the author.

Originally posted by Lysergic
I agree with it all

I hope so...

After all, even though the whole thing is written in general terms, it's the most accurate truth of human history as I can correlate. It's not based on any single source, but an amalgamation from every source I've read in my entire life.

posted on Jun, 14 2005 @ 03:52 AM
This is normally not a topic I would comment on but I can do a constructive criticism based upon an "apparent"
and serious misdirection. I came in here thinking this to be a whopping grand discussion of the real "Future
Shock" (doubleday I think) published 1970 by Alvin and Heidi Adelaide Toffler.
Alvin Toffler makes a living as a "future-ist" and his predictions for business, industry etc are good enough for
him to be paid as a consultant. Hence, a good source of information for a site such as ATS. I saw this was NOT
the case and normally would simply go about my business. Unfortunately, I read things. I read your posts.
It came across to me as a parody of Tofflers work. Since I am a fan of Toffler, I shall get involved.

Just to prove I've read it, here are a few suggestions.


1. Fifth paragraph ABOVE chapter two ends with a hanging sentence, incomplete thought and incomplete paragraph. That is
not a nit-pic.

2. Couple of places where you use "we" and "will" interchanged which warps the sentence meaning.

3. I dont look for typos, but there were few.

4. Whether by intent or accident, the parody angle comes through in several places. Drop the "you, reader, will see...."
Gives me the "jerks" to be patronized (accident) but is necessary for "parody" (intent). If this was an accident, it makes you
sound like one of the "elites" you do not define.


1. You have a talent for well organized writing and getting points across. Ergo, there is a potential if developed further, that
your writing may well go beyond the "Outer Limits" poster boards of this site.

2. "I want to tell you a story." -- excellent disclaimer. Translation, this is a work of FICTION.

3. I do not work this hard to throw insults. Take that for what is intended here. This aint a slam.


1. "I want to tell you a story." - History is not a work of fiction.

2. If you are going to put a slant on history and make it stick, then use your talent to incorporate the research necessary to
support your historical opinions. You used the term "deductive logic" but never the "process". Walk your audience through
the research, make it entertaining for them and reach a real conclusion, not an opinion, and take the audience there as
if they are on a water slide and HAVE NO OTHER WAY TO GO. When you can do this with historical topics, then you are
ready to bring a new hit sport to the Olympic stadiums. Its called "watching paint dry."

3. While your disclaimer takes you out of an uglier realm, to fail to mention the competition (Future Shock - The Tofflers)
is intellectually dishonest. I would suggest something like : "I want to tell you MY story, not to be confused with the excellent
classical work by Alvin Toffler of the same title." You acknowledge AND compliment your competition, thus sharing some of
THEIR limelight. Trust me, this is a real PLUS.

THE UGLY (Or maybe not?)

So, MDS, are you brave enough to see how you stack up to a real professional techno-prophet? Here are some sample quotes
I meshed together from your Future Shock and the Original Future Shock. AT is of course Alvin Toffler on some sample topics.
Dont forget that AT is speaking from about 40 years ago.

Quote MDS:
Think of the story of Future Shock as being a practical use of the old folk homily, "Those who do not learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat those mistakes".
Quote AT:
Future shock is the shattering stress and disorientation that we induce in individuals by subjecting them to too much change in too short a time.

Quote MDS:
By now, you can probably see the pattern forming; (power is your pattern topic)
Quote AT:
Knowledge is the most democratic source of power.

Quote MDS:
The human race must "grow up".
Quote AT:
Parenthood remains the greatest single preserve of the amateur.

Quote MDS:
For any species of life (including Human Life!), nature places strict limitations on population growth & has a balancing effect on each ecological niche that existed.
Quote AT:
Man has a limited biological capacity for change. When this capacity is overwhelmed, the capacity is in future shock.

Quote MDS:
One of the most successful of the Specialist Classes was the Merchant/Trader, his "function" being the exchange of goods & wealth between foreign lands
Quote AT:
Profits, like sausages... are esteemed most by those who know least about what goes into them.

Quote MDS:
Our technology has far outstripped the human ability to adapt to it, even though technology should have instead been adapted to humanity;
This may change drastically, as the advent of genetic engineering may allow the elite to "force-evolve" humanity
Quote AT:
The next major explosion is going to be when genetics and computers come together.
I'm talking about an organic computer - about biological substances that can function like a semiconductor.

Quote MDS:
Earlier, I mentioned something about how the school systems don't teach what you really need to learn
Quote AT:
The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.

Now MDS, just for tricking me into this forum, I am going to let Alvin Toffler grade your work. (I am vindictive)
I think I know what he would say about your "apparent" parody of the original Future Shock.

Mr Toffler, do you have any advice for MDS?
Quote AT
You've got to think about big things while you're doing small things, so that all the small things go in the right direction.

And overall, Mr Toffler, what do you think of the MDS version ?
Slight missquote AT:
One of the definitions of sanity is the ability to tell real from unreal. We need a new definition.

posted on Jun, 19 2005 @ 05:42 PM
Nightwing...A few clarifications on my intent & what use of skill I used in writing Future Shock:

1: If you look at the original post-date on the first entry, it shows that I wrote this about two years ago. It wasn't until after I posted it that the "other Future Shock" was brought to my attention...I had never heard of it until somebody else referred to it. This is why the original post has no mention of Alvin Toffler or his own work. It's not "intellectual dishonesty" or to produce a "parody", just an ignorance of Toffler's work at the time I made my post.

2: Even though I based this writing on actual history & a wide variety of other sources, it is still a work of fiction. I have no definitive proof that things really are the way I've painted them. The goal was to give a direction for other "detectives" to either prove or disprove me.

3: It was never my intention to try to expand this into a full book-size for publishing. The reason why many of my sources were left out is because it would have turned the post into a long string of bibliography & linked web addresses. My original intention was to "show a path" without wasting a lot of space in "creating a path". I merely point out a direction while leaving it to the reader to make their own path in research to collaborate what I've written. Most people who frequent a site like ATS would rather do their own reasearch because they're skeptical enough to know that my sources may be inaccurate & put more faith in their own sources.

A related point to this is that I am not a "professional writer" & I have no illusions that I'm skilled enough to become one. The rest goes without saying...

posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 01:06 AM
Almost missed your answer. I did not expect one. The answer you gave
does convince me of your intent. Thats why I put so much work in what
I said to you. Your take on history would be difficult (not impossible) to research,
but might be different enough to get published. If you have a love of history, then
what you have written is the "guide" for writing a real book. The book would be the
research, translated for the readers, with much entertainment and lead to conclusions directly.
The readers need never see your guide. The downside is that history books will not make you rich.

posted on Jul, 20 2007 @ 11:00 AM
Heh! I was feeling particularly scintillating over a similar topic over here, but I figured that post to very closely relate to this one, so...
I figured it was time to add a new Chapter.

Originally posted by DominionOfGozer
In other words i think tampering with the government is wrong, clearly it is the government and it governs everything we do.

No, that's just what they want you to think. The Government tampers with us...And they tamper with the Natural Law as set forth by the Creator.

Read the Constitution & think about what it stands for: It was designed & written to act as the Supreme Law of the Land, second only to the Laws of Nature & the Creator who set them forth. The Creator's Laws of Nature govern the whole planet. The ambition of the US Founding Forefathers was a lot more humble...They only wanted to govern a single Nation, yet they let the Natural Law guide their thoughts into a true New World Order, completely different from all Governments before them: The sovereignty of the People Over Government--This was a huge goal that's never before been tried in the entirety of human history!

Over in this thread, a few years ago, I put my decades-long study of history to use & wrote up a brief synopsis: That thread represents how the three major "power groups" (there's also one minor power group) have interacted with each other, down throughout human history & what the results of their "power plays" have done to humanity as a whole. Those Power Groups have always vied for power between each other & the masses of people that they've been deceiving all along. Each power group has had its own time in the limelight, but the constant struggles between them keeps "shifting the balance" between them & its always been the mass of society that's suffered throughout those struggles & power-shifts.
Yes, the fourth power group I mentioned, ironically, is the largest & most powerful of the four Groups...But the three Major Groups have always sucked power out of the fourth group to fuel the struggles between each other. That's why society has suffered...Because the most powerful group had always been kept in chains to unwillingly feed the other three groups. Who is that most powerful of groups that had been doing nothing but feeding the greed & ambition of the other three groups? The People! This is why human history has never acheived balance & prosperity...This is why humanity has been in constant cycles of war, death, oppression/suppression all throughout history!

When the US Founding Forefathers needed to create a Government, they looked at history too...My own studies in history only taught me what they had already known about humanity. They wrote the Constitution in order to achieve a stabilizing influence between those Power Groups, to maintain a balance between them so that society wouldn't suffer as they shifted the Balance of Power; The Founding Forefathers tried to set up the Government so that the one Power Group that had always been on the losing side could take charge...The People. The real winners would be the People because they would be the ones responsible for maintaining balance among the other three Groups that had always oppressed/suppressed them down throughout history! This is why the Founding Forfathers wrote the Constitutional system of "checks & balances" in the first place! It would be the fulcrum upon which to maintain balance of the three major Power Groups, all for the benefit of everyone, including the people who worked within those Power Groups...If everyone benefits, then all will prosper!

It would be a true New World Order because the largest & strongest group would be in a position to balance the other three Groups to the benefit of all people! All throughout history, humanity had always been "Government over the People" but with the new USA, the positions would be reversed for the first time in history! What really went wrong in America is that the People stopped watching & controlling the Government...I speak of the general Public Apathy that Infoholic has already mentioned. "The people...are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty," said Thomas Jefferson. He was right. By losing sight of & control over our Government, it's done the same thing that Governments always do...And that is to oppress/suppress the People & assume control again, just as history had already proven it would do. Even though most People don't have to take the Constitutional Oath required to serve in Government, it's still the Civic Duty of all Citizens to enforce that Oath upon those who take the Oath; This is where America has failed.

When you read the Constitution, pay particular attention to the two parts that require all Federal & State positions, all three Branches, to swear a legally binding Oath to obey the Constitution. Then take a close look at what the Government's been doing to constantly erode it; They've been running the Government like a Corporate Facism that cares nothing for our world or the People on it.

And even so, that very same Constitution is an "Employment Contract," set forth by The People for the hiring of employees...The Office Holders. The People own this Nation & we've hired other people to manage our holdings & direct our resources so that WE THE PEOPLE benefit; Look at how much our Employees have ripped off from us! If you owned an actual business & your employees ripped you off & manipulated control of it out from under you, what is the most reasonable course of action you should take? You'd fire them, wouldn't you? Then you'd take a much closer look at your "employee screening" procedures & hire someone who will do the job right & adhere to your employment contract.

The Government has been consistantly been violating the very same Laws that put them in those Offices. It should not matter what they think of the Constitution; Whether they like it or not, they swore an Oath to obey it & are bound by Law to obey it! Yet, they consider themselves to be above the Law & that cannot be tolerated...Simply because the collapse of Law results in Anarchy! Society abhors an Anarchy as much as Nature abhors a Vacuum--It's when the Laws of Nature decide to re-fill that vacuum is when everything starts to really suck!

posted on Jul, 22 2007 @ 04:32 PM
Flagged and bumped because it is relevent to current threads and discussions here in the community. Those who are avid readers will know the subject matter mentioned.

posted on Sep, 23 2007 @ 02:59 AM
Ok Midnight, I've "flagged the mutha", and subscribed to it, and now I'm replying to it. Make sure to check your U2Us, as I've sent something of interest. Let me know what you think.

On topic, I feel that this is one of the closest posts to the truth that I've seen in my entire time here on ATS, based on what I've read. It meshes everything from the ancient world to today, and does so in a way that makes sense. The only thing that I disagree with is that religion's "creation" was simply a means to control people. I think people bastardized the truth for their own gains, and that's what got us into the position that we're in. You've stated that as well, so I'm not in any major disagreement; I just disagree with the calling all religions the creations of power-hungry individuals. That's like calling my God a figment of my imagination, when I know very differently.


posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 12:01 AM
reply to post by TheBorg

Even though I'm obviously way late with a reply, I think perhaps my wording left you with the wrong impression, in comparison to what I really mean.

In a nutshell, Religion begins with Faith, but Organized Religion begets oppression. In other words, Faith alone can work wonders, but when a religion turns towards mass-organization, it attracts the power-hungry to take advantadge of Faith.

[edit on 26-7-2010 by MidnightDStroyer]

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