You know what? It's as easy as this people. If some bureaucratic ass-master proposes a ban on one of your Constitutional Rights...DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! The 2nd Amendment is in place for THIS very reason. It's there to protect against this kind of tyranny. Organize, get together, stand your ground and announce to them, that they cannot and will not wipe their asses with our Constitution any longer. Organize an armed public protest. Get the local media involved. Make the government afraid of it's people instead of allowing it to be quite the opposite. We have insurmountable power against them. If an armed protest is out of the question, then hit them where it hurts, in the pocketbook. Quit contributing to their bad behavior. Quit paying taxes. Take your money out of the banks. They can't arrest everyone.

First, I would love to educate any and all who believe they understand the "arms" issue in the USA, as enumerated in the Bill of Rights in our Constitution.

Second, studying my arguments and thought process will render you to have permanent insight into the "arms" issue both in the USA and the remainder of the world.

Third, you may turn into a "Second Amendment Proponent"

The preamble to the BILL OF RIGHTS, yes the Bill of Rights, not the Constitution is reproduced below:

PREAMBLE (TO THE BILL OF RIGHTS)
The conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution.

(insert Bill of Rights)

The first ten amendments ( of the Bill of Rights) are "declaratory and restrictive clauses". This means they supersede all other parts of our Constitution and restrict the powers of our Constitution.

There are people in this country that do not want you to know that these two sentences ever existed. For many years these words were "omitted" from copies of our Constitution. Public and private colleges alike have based their whole interpretation of our Constitution on the fraudulent version of this text. The Bill of Rights is separate from the other amendments. The Bill of Rights is a declaration of restrictions to the powers of our Constitution. The Bill of Rights restricts the Constitution. The Constitution restricts the powers of government. The deception is that the government can interpret the all of the amendments and the Constitution itself. Without the presence of the Preamble to the Bill of Rights this may be a valid argument.
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Natural rights (or inalienable rights) are rights which are not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs or a particular society or polity. In contrast, legal rights (sometimes also called civil rights) are rights conveyed by a particular legal or political entity, rights as enshrined in law, and as such are contingent upon local laws, customs, or beliefs. Natural rights are thus necessarily universal, whereas legal rights are culturally and politically relative.

The Bill of Rights was not written "for a common man" it was written by common men for common men.
Inalienable rights are not conferred, granted, permitted, not permitted, withheld, licensed or any other malarkey, they were written down so that they would not be usurped and infringed upon.

You think the Bill of Rights was written by "government" to grant rights to citizens?
The Bill of Rights was written by citizens, voted on by citizens, and ratified by citizens who had recently fought, many to death, to secure the rights they wrote down.
The right to keep and bear arms means what ever the current militia (military) is in possession of as far as weapons are concerned is what was being spoken to. These men knew that weaponry would evolve and progress, that is why they used the word "arms" to depict what the average soldier would be armed with.

So having laid the primary ground work for discussion, that the Preamble to the BOR (Bill of Rights), restricts the Constitution, and the Constitution restricts the Government. I willl now discuss the Second Amendment to the BOR. Quoted next:

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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The definition of the word arm

v. armed, arm·ing, arms
1. To supply or equip oneself with weaponry.
2. To prepare oneself for warfare or conflict.
1. To equip with weapons: armed themselves with loaded pistols; arm a missile with a warhead; arm a nation for war.
2. To equip with what is needed for effective action,
3. To provide with something that strengthens or protects:
4. To prepare (a weapon) for use or operation, as by releasing a safety device.

[From Middle English armes, weapons, from Old French, pl. of arme, weapon, from Latin arma, weapons; see ar- in Indo-European roots. V., from Middle English armen, from Old French armer, from Latin armre, from arma.]
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

arm
Verb
1. to supply with weapons
2. to prepare (an explosive device) for use
3. to provide (a person or thing) with something that strengthens, or protects: you will be armed with all the information you will ever need

Arm has to do with strengthen, protect, prepare, equip for ready action

arms
Noun, pl
1. weapons collectively
2. military exploits: prowess in arms
3. take up arms to prepare to fight
4. under arms armed and prepared for war
5. up in arms prepared to protest strongly

Arms pertaint to the tools necessary to protect, combat, fight, resist.

The infringement upon the Second Amendment has been occurring since the 1970's.

definition of INFRINGE:

verb: =break, violate, contravene, disobey, transgress
infringe on or upon:= intrude on, compromise, undermine, limit, weaken, diminish, disrupt, curb, encroach on, trespass on
Collins Essential Thesaurus 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2005, 2

Infringement of the inalienable right to bear and keep arms is occurring, and is being planned for by TPTB.

I am glad the Second amendment does not say operating arms, else we
would have to check out firing pins in and out of the local constabulatory.

Or some other essential piece of the firearm. That will be one of the next proposal.

The word fringe means the edges, like the fringe on a blanket or shawl.

Look at the third definition below:

fringe (frnj)
n.
1. A decorative border or edging of hanging threads, cords, or strips, often attached to a separate band.
2. Something that resembles such a border or edging.
3. A marginal, peripheral, or secondary part: "They like to hang out on the geographical fringes, the seedy outposts" James Atlas.
4. Those members of a group or political party holding extreme views: the lunatic fringe.
5. Any of the light or dark bands produced by the diffraction or interference of light.
6. A fringe benefit.

A marginal, peripheral, or secondary part: in reference to an arm that would be the magazine, firing mechanism, (semi auto, fully auto), ammunition, how it is born (to bear) concealed, openly carried, loaded, unloaded, and how it is kept, (locked away, disassembled, stored away from children, with barrel lug, with barrel plug, in a safe, in the trunk, glove box, away from reach of driver, in case, in locked box.

The infringement is and has been happening as there are laws, regulations and statutes that deal with all or many of these peripheral marginal and secondary parts of the main issue: TO keep and bear arms.

Form 4473 prohibits felons, addicts and mentally impaired from purchase of firearms already. That is sufficient infringement enough.

Effective December 15, 1791
Articles in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.


PREAMBLE (TO THE BILL OF RIGHTS)
The conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution.

(insert Bill of Rights)

The first ten amendments ( of the Bill of Rights) are "declaratory and restrictive clauses". This means they supersede all other parts of our Constitution and restrict the powers of our Constitution.

There are people in this country that do not want you to know that these two sentences ever existed. For many years these words were "omitted" from copies of our Constitution. Public and private colleges alike have based their whole interpretation of our Constitution on the fraudulent version of this text. The Bill of Rights is separate from the other amendments. The Bill of Rights is a declaration of restrictions to the powers of our Constitution. The Bill of Rights restricts the Constitution. The Constitution restricts the powers of government. The deception is that the government can interpret the all of the amendments and the Constitution itself. Without the presence of the Preamble to the Bill of Rights this may be a valid argument.

There is no "common sense" infringement on the bill of rights second amendment.
Yes mentaly disability, addiction and certain felons are prohibited from any and all firearms purchases with the existing laws as I type this, and this is not infringing on the second amendment. It doen not infringe on the second amendment because it still permits all rational, reasonable law abiding citizens to exercize their second amendment.
It does however limit and restrict certain individuals ability to legally exercize their second amendment rights.
The individuals history of behavior and actions, crime, addiction or mental disabled is public knowledge.
A AWB in a blanket, prohibits everyone, law abiding, competent, temperate, inebriate, stupid and criminal, fron the second amendment and as such in an INFRINGEMENT on the second amendment.

The BILL of RIGHTS does not guarantee, proffer, grant, allow, permit any right.

The Bill of Rights is talking about INALIENABLE rights, or Natural rights.

The Bill of Rights was only listing natural rights which are NOT granted, given, guaranteed, allowed, permitted by a government because the inalienable rights exist naturally, meanning they exist in the absence of government.
Meaning these inalienable rights existed before the government existed.
Meaning these rights existed inherently in the people of the famous novel l Swiss Family Robinson.

The preamble to the Bill of Rights is declarative and restrictive to the constitution.

Originally posted by DrLeary

I've asked this before, and I'll ask again. WHEN is you beloved militia going to rise up and save the day? WHEN??? And how on earth do you plan on doing this with guns? Democracy was established so you wouldn't have to listen to the guys with the most guns, but rather the majority of the population. Show me how you having a dozen assault rifles make ANY difference to what the politicians pass into law. You can put your foot down all you want, barricade yourself with your guns and demand freedom, but in the end they will simply shoot you and write you off as another loonie no matter if you have RPGs and flamethrowers for that sake!

We don't want a democracy, we want a constitutional republic, which is what we HAD when the country was founded. Where we have "unalienable" rights, that are spelled out in the Bill of Rights. Including the 2nd amendment.

Unalienable. Cannot be taken or given away.

A "democracy" is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.

I want to be a sheepdog.

Originally posted by wswbkbroiler
mi·li·tia /mɪˈlɪʃə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mi-lish-uh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies.
2. a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.
3. all able-bodied males considered by law eligible for military service.
4. a body of citizens organized in a paramilitary group and typically regarding themselves as defenders of individual rights against the presumed interference of the federal government.

You woould need to form a group of citizens and then train them once a week to be considered a militia.




There are 4 definitions, you only choose the one that backs your point?

what about:

3. all able-bodied males considered by law eligible for military service.

Originally posted by MCory1



Or is that just "taking it too far"? Hell, the constitution was written at a time when you were lucky your musket didn't backfire and kill you. I really doubt they had any idea of the weaponry we'd come up with--I'm pretty sure the thought of having to limit a rifle to three-shot bursts was all but inconceivable at a time when reloading your gun after every single shot was just the nature of war.

Ahh, but there were cannons and bombs, "rockets red glare" and all that.
The requirement to keep and bear arms still applied.
And still does today.
The idea was to not let the government have overwhelming superiority, which it does and has done for a hundred years or better.
I double-dog-dare you to shoot down a fully loaded F-18 with your "assault" rifle.

Bottom line is the one group wants to ban guns and the other wants to reinforce and expand the use of them.

Perhaps the main differences that I see is that one side promotes the right to self responsibility and the other for government dependance.

Gun control is gun control, if you can't trust your people with a gun then you can't expect them to handle peace.