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The True Holy War

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posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 04:02 PM
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Now.. I'm just going to write this, without providing any sources, just because I want to get straight to the point.... Anyone who reads this and remembers seeing something that promotes this idea.. or even demotes this idea feel free to share your external sources and quotes..

It's apparent that 'some' sort of war is going on..
the war on terror for the west... the jihad for the east..
it'd had many names... all of them concern themselves with war..

well.. how did this all start? whats it all about? ..
theres a few versions going around... terrorists... control..... land..... god...... jesus..... muhammad........ allah.........

Many many ideas are floating around..
but lets look at some weird happenings

'Someone' is/was trying to move Jewish people 'back' to their 'homeland' ... Israel... from Russia...

why? .. well some people believe that because it was written in the bible the jewish people 'own' Israel... (ever see a US president kissing middle-eastern people?) ... and they believe that without the 'jews' going home... the 'Messiah' cannot return..

okay.. thats weird..

Okay so whats all the fighting about? .. There seems to be people in Israel who are religious.. are they 'jews' ? ? ...
Who are fighting these people? ..... The United States Army? ... The United States and the United Nations? Why? ...

Who were killing muslims in russia? ..

The Western world is trying to make the messiah come back by .... 'fulfilling' biblical prophecies.. .
and they're trying real hard...

Did you know the money collected in western synagoges goes to eastern synagoges.. ? the money goes out of country.. to fund what? ..

Any comments?




posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 04:24 PM
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Pure,it gets back to what I have alluded to many times. It is all centered around "Christian" Zionists.. Here is a link to wikipedia that explains exactly what it is:

"Christian" Zionism

Essentially, these "people," if you can call them that, think that in order for Jesus to come back, all Jews must be restored to Israel. Now, much like their next of kin, the Muslims, they are willing to reign hell on earth in order to get there desired outcome. Bush is a big "Christian" Zionist. He firmly thinks tha everything he is doing now will play a part in bringing Jews back to Israel and Armageddon beginning.

Now, in order to understand exactly why the Jews have had so much hell,one has to have some understanding of the Jewish-Arabic conflict. Here is some information:


The Historical Balance Sheet of Zionist Ideology
By: Shlomo Dinur



Now that Zionism has existed in its modern conception for a hundred years, the time has come to test its relevancy on two planes: The first as a basic analysis of Jewish existence, and the second, as a solution which can act as a guideline for the present and for building the future.


Hess, Pinsker, Herzl and Borochov, each in his own way, all reached similar conclusions, both in their diagnosis of the situation of Jewry, and with respect to the recommended solution. With their help it is possible to arrive at the typology, as it were, of Jewish survival along the following lines:

1) Jews as a permanent minority among the peoples of the world, inevitably create tensions which culminate in hatred and a threat to Jewish survival.

2) Hatred in the various forms it assumes, brings about the Jew's constant alienation from his environment.

3) The painful ordeal involved in survival and constant distress are a permanent adjunct of Jewish existence. The pressure and distress assume physical, economic and spiritual forms.

4) Assimilation is indeed a solution applicable to individuals, but Jewry as a whole is unwilling to throw off its unique characteristics. No attempts at halfway measures-partial repudiation and partial participation are effective compromises with the non-Jewish environment, which maintains its traditional demand that the Jew disappear completely, either by entirely assimilating into his surroundings or by leaving them altogether.

5) Moreover: Against the background of changes that took place in national ideologies during the 19th century, it no longer appeared possible for the Jew to fuse completely with his non-Jewish surroundings. As opposed to the hopes of Christian theology with its expectation of the absorption and disappearance of the Jews within the church, the ideology of nationalism tended to pluck the Jews out of the bosom of the nation and isolate them.





Jewish Zionism

Assimilation will never occur between the Jews and Arabs because neither,at least in my opinion, are even remotely open to the prospect. There has been over 4,000 years of warfare between these two groups of people. I don't think that America,nor any other nation can ever hope to drive a wedge between that much hate.



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 06:56 PM
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I can't speak much for Christian Zionists because i'm not a Christian Zionist, but I can tell you that the average Christian believes in supporting Israel out of respect for God's chosen people, and not to manipulate prophecies into occurring.

Prophecies will happen on God's time, not ours. Man can't "make it happen" and I don't believe that many people have that intent. If they do, they're foolish and ought to reexamine their belief system.



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 07:05 PM
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The whole idea that God favors one group of people over another seems rather ludicrous and its assigning human characteristics to the deity.

However, believe as you wish..

I can assure you that there are people who are aiming to speed towards "Armageddon" and they are not what they appear either.



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 07:11 PM
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I was going to make an Illuminati joke there but held back.

I wouldn't say that God favors the Jews over other groups . . . they're merely his Chosen people . . . this stems from the time that individual peoples had their own deity (I suspect many of the idol deities were in fact fallen angels) and God himself travelled with the Israelites out of Egypt and guided them into the land of Canaan (present day Palestine).

At any rate I disagree with Jewish theology but I certainly think those that constantly oppose them, for any reason, are wrong.



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 07:19 PM
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Well,...tis true that Jesus was born amongst the Jews and he was considered such. Tis also true that the Jews are the most ostracized people in the world...

However, you are correct in your analysis,at least I think you are, that all of this doesn't necessarily mean that they are favored over others.. One thing you will learn here Southern is that there does tend to be major bashing of the three major religions here. While I am Christian,I certainly am not orthodox.. A quick survey of most of my posts will reveal that....

Point being, while posting here, if you follow the fundamentalist point of view,walk softly..I am just giving you a friendly word of advice..

Don't get me wrong, there are some very intelligent and thoughtful posters here, but they will call you out in a heart beat!!
Most here are fairly tolerant though...



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 07:29 PM
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Trust me, I've noticed. It's rather disappointing that a forum with such tolerance for what many would consider to be excessively radical views (such as aliens, just for an example) has an overabundance of members who will cheerfully bash organized religion, always on the basis that "there is no proof".

I wouldn't call myself an orthodox Christian either, I have some strange ideas and then I'm always open to new ones, but I do at the very least believe in the truth of the Bible, and it seeps into my posts on the matter quite frequently.



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 07:35 PM
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Southern,I do believe in the bible. However, I tend to think that most conventional interpretations of it is somewhat tainted and I am not too sure it hasn't been tampered with throughout the ages.. However,that's just my opinion.

We are hijacking this thread...so
someone needs to come in here and get back on topic.. Sorry,Pure...



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 07:46 PM
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Well, regarding the question about the United States Army and the United Nations fighting "people", I'm really not sure what people he's talking about, though I can only suppose the Jews.

The United States vehemently supports Isreal, hands down.

On the other hand, the U.N. General Assembly routinely passes resolutions that are designed to harm Israel. Nothing significant can happen of course, due to the U.S.'s Security Council veto.



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 07:56 PM
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The jews are no longer God's chosen people.
They were his chosen people because he made a covenant
with the Jews.
However, he then made a covenant with the whole world
through the death of his son Jesus Christ. So now, the whole
world is God's chosen people, as that is who the covenant was made
with.

SOSHOOTME



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by southern_cross3
I can't speak much for Christian Zionists because i'm not a Christian Zionist, but I can tell you that the average Christian believes in supporting Israel out of respect for God's chosen people, and not to manipulate prophecies into occurring.

Prophecies will happen on God's time, not ours. Man can't "make it happen" and I don't believe that many people have that intent. If they do, they're foolish and ought to reexamine their belief system.


ive been studying the bible for a while now, around 15 years, not at a university or bible college but on my own as many have. i feel personally that i have been given a gift of some sort. my "spiritual eyes" have been opened if you will to see the struggle that is happening between the fallen ones and our creator. quite a few people i know have this gift but very few in the big picture. some people have pieces some have no clue some some know the deal some think they know but they are off the mark.

having that said, your right this will all happen in "gods" time. seeing that time does not matter to our creator all things can be seen from the beginning to the end of "our" time at any time. thats why that prophecy can exist. and does exist. our creator knew that this holy war was gonna happen and humans would do exactly the things they are doing now hence the prophecies that are now being fullfilled. knowing that bush was going to be like he is in 2006 a.d. back in 2006 b.c. is hard for humans to understand. but when it is possible to see it ALL, all the chapters of human history at any time well prophecies are made and for a reason.



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 08:49 PM
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since a lot of misconception comes from Jesus... as being the figure head of Christianity and being the 'messiah'.. people should really know about him..

heres some interesting stuff to absorb..

www.xeeatwelve.com...


Contrary to common belief, Christianity as we know it did not originate with Jesus Christ, nor did the first church start with a blessing from Jesus. The first Christians merely used his name, and his death, as a pretext for a new religion that does not truly represent the truth about him or his teachings. There are numerous fictional embellishments and the invention of stories and sayings wrongly imputed to Jesus in the gospels and in the Qumran documents. The gospels were written at least 300 years after the death of Jesus. Like the so-called authors of the texts who often did not write what appears in the New and Old Testaments, Jesus too, was said to have uttered certain words that appear in the gospels which he never spoke. Jesus did not say that the world was going to end immediately. He did not say repent. He did not practise baptism. The baptism story about him is false. He did not initiate the Eucharist although he did have a last meal with the inner circle of his faithful ones. The gospels, including those recently discovered writings found in Qumran, and the Nag Hammadi Library were written by people who had no first-hand contact with Jesus, and they were written many years after the death of Jesus. All of these writings contain their own distortions due to misunderstandings, mistranslations, embellishments, or deliberate editings.



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 09:09 PM
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The truth is...
well MEGADETH has some songs about this subject you all probably won't listen but one song is named HOLY WARS and another is TRUTH BE TOLD, basically says ever since the first murder Cain vs Able the verdict is always the same "WRONG"
There will never be peace for you and me, murder is war upscaled and I bet not one person can say exactly why they are fighting or actually knows a reason.
Why believe any lies do you have any proof the lies you believe are truth what are your reasons for continuing a hopeless feud thru the times. The past has happened long ago and anything you do now is not going to change what happened then but what we can do is something good in the present to help the future because the future is not yet happened and might be able to change for the better of all mankind.
just my 2 cents



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 09:22 PM
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First of all, Jews believe that. That is their interpretation. The Bible says "that those who do the will of the father" will receive the promised land. The promised land is a spiritual place where there is no lack.

For the most part they are playing out the devils hand and are doing the very same thing this country did when they took native (American) lands.

It's all about greed and control.



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 09:43 PM
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The reason we are in a "holy war" is because of the long standing feud between christians and muslims. I'll explain how the jews play into this in a minute. About a 1,000 years ago we had a series of wars with the muslims, the crusades, we all know thye story.

I think the current war is pretty much an extension of those ancient feuds.

Now, the hatred for the jews stems from the fact that muhammed was shunned by the jews. mohammed told his followers that they should persecute and kill the jews as a result.

seems dumb, but there you have it.



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 09:46 PM
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Ive always thought that somewhere in the minds of finatics there was opposition for all things western.

They are a very religous, and indepth people..

God, Family, Revenge all that actually meant something.

THey look at the west and see porn, sex, drugs, alcohol all the 'fringe' benefits of the west, and they dispise it.. its against everything they believe.

From that point of view they never liked us.
And Israel only made it worse.. Israel gave them a front to hit us on..

We could always defend our lifestyle of 'fringe' benefits because its our lifestyle.. dont like, well dont look.. .easy.

but israel?... we always helped them, and we always knew it was unfair what was happening...

But now?

We have gone and directly put ourselves in the firering line..
By activley occupying arab land, with american/western troops....
and out right lying about everything...

all the finatics that didnt hate us enough because of our fringe benefits.. now have a pure and justified reason to hate us...

This war has always been there, underneath the surface...
weve gone and given them a major boost, and major moral support on their side against us.


Unforunately, it has to be a war..

be honest.. if they wernt prepared to stand up, and be shot... american would of taken the middle east quite some time ago.

this WAR... in their minds.. is whats keeping their faith alive.

It mightnt be true to that extent...
But if they side with the west in any way, they are activley going against their own people.... especrially in the case of Iraq and Palestine.

This war has always been there,
But now that personal greed has come into it, by occupying their land... they are going to escalate it significantly, and rightly so!

That is why Iraq will never, EVER experience peace.

It is the new battlefield for the holywar.


[edit on 5-12-2006 by Agit8dChop]

[edit on 5-12-2006 by Agit8dChop]



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 09:51 PM
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Labels....('jews' are nothing at all to do with the idea of Israel - which is, plain and simple, an arrow that points to 'who prevails with God.')
borders....(lines drawn in the sand which cause such desperation for some that they would risk their lives to cross them....in sweltering locked trailers in which the temperature soars over 120 degrees....or in innertubes upon the shark infested shipping lane from Havana to the keys...)
disputes over things that are originated from the organic food chain...for the purpose of that food chain...(money, power over decisions to control the mortality rate and causes thereof, always needing to be RIGHT at the expense of all others being WRONG...)

THESE things are the reason we do not have peace for ourselves and our children?
Death is the cause of death? :shk:

Envy the destroyer...insecurity the hidden cancer...failure to accept one's whole self in order to be justified in condemning in others what is denied in self???

It's all pure nonsense....positive thoughts are not 'yes men' and truth is ALWAYS positive...the only way to overcome the idea of needing to measure up is to throw away the ruler! (metric? standard? who knows? who cares? if we didn't count things all the time we would never manifest insufficiency!)

F alse
E vidence
A ppearing
R eal

and

G ood
O rderly
D irection

are the acronyms of juxtaposition....

W eakened
A rms
R egulating

P eople
I nterested in
G aining
S uperiority

OR

P ositive
E nergy
A ctiively
C reating
E quilibrium

???



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by queenannie38


F alse
E vidence
A ppearing
R eal

and

G ood
O rderly
D irection

are the acronyms of juxtaposition....

W eakened
A rms
R egulating

P eople
I nterested in
G aining
S uperiority

OR

P ositive
E nergy
A ctiively
C reating
E quilibrium

???




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I hope you dont mind if I use them time and time again for the rest of my days!



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posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 10:55 PM
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Christianity did begin with Jesus Christ.



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop
THey look at the west and see porn, sex, drugs, alcohol all the 'fringe' benefits of the west, and they dispise it.. its against everything they believe.


yet they indulge in all these things once they live here,




We have gone and directly put ourselves in the firering line..
By activley occupying arab land, with american/western troops....
and out right lying about everything...


wrong! the arabs started this war.



be honest.. if they wernt prepared to stand up, and be shot... american would of taken the middle east quite some time ago.


wrong again, we could of taken the middle east long ago if we were more ruthless about it.



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