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posted on Oct, 19 2004 @ 12:50 AM
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Originally posted by Zipdot

...AND SO WAS BORN

The Knights of Various Other Things.

Join today! U2U me!

Zipdot


And if you can do anything near the work done by the Shriners, the Masons , The Knights of Coloumbus and the Knights of Malta. God bless you too Sir.

Wouldn't it be a kicker if you got 500 U2U's ?




posted on Oct, 19 2004 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by billmcelligott
And if you can do anything near the work done by the Shriners, the Masons , The Knights of Coloumbus and the Knights of Malta. God bless you too Sir.

Wouldn't it be a kicker if you got 500 U2U's ?


Hmmm -- we'll have to start small -- opening doors for old ladies.

Zip



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 02:17 PM
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Ech,
Your friend lies or was misinformed. I'm in the KofC and the highest ranks are not called Freemasons. The KofC as with all good devout Catholics oppose Freemasonry and its evils.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by Cearbhall
Ech,
The KofC as with all good devout Catholics oppose Freemasonry and its evils.


Exactly which "evils" might those be?



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 10:23 PM
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We work along side of each other to raise money for crippled children...how are we Masons evil? I want specifics...since you bring it up so elequently. Enlighten us all if you will with your wisdom.:




posted on Oct, 22 2004 @ 04:42 AM
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When asked why Freemasonry is evil; the people who say that it is are not able to tell us why. I wonder why that is? In my opinion some people have a unbalanced hatered of Freemasonry that is not based on evidence but thier own prejudices against Freemasonry. As a Freemason I would like to be told in which way that I am evil and supporting a evil organisation.

Gerard



posted on Oct, 22 2004 @ 10:50 AM
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Sorry, but your friend was pulling a fast one on you there. The higher members of the Knights of Columbus are not Freemasons; in fact, Freemasons are barred from becoming Knights of Columbus and vise versa. Catholics who actually follow the Vatican will know that they are forbidden to join the Freemasons, and contrary to what some people have said, the Catholic Church does not make an exception for American Catholics in this respect. I am a 4th degree Knight, as well as council officer, and I can assure you that unless raising money to help the mentally handicapped and giving scholarships to students constitutes trying to bring the New World Order into power, the Knights of Columbus are not involved in any such activities to bring the NWO into power.



posted on Oct, 22 2004 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by kildrin
Sorry, but your friend was pulling a fast one on you there. The higher members of the Knights of Columbus are not Freemasons; in fact, Freemasons are barred from becoming Knights of Columbus and vise versa.


What we have here is a case of "Vice" but no "Versa"; being a Knight of Columbus (in any way shape or form) will not prevent you from becoming a Freemason. There is no "Automatic Disqualification", like there is with being an Atheist (being KofC, you wouldn't want to be lumped in with them would you?
). It's been said before but I'll say it again, Freemasonry doesn't really care what the Catholic Church thinks or does, if a Catholic wants to become a Freemason, great! If the Catholic Church wants to single out Freemasonry as some kind of seditious organization that threatens them, so be it... We'll chuckle, and go on our merry way... As we have done for hundreds of years.



posted on Oct, 22 2004 @ 12:56 PM
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It's been said before but I'll say it again, Freemasonry doesn't really care what the Catholic Church thinks or does, if a Catholic wants to become a Freemason, great! If the Catholic Church wants to single out Freemasonry as some kind of seditious organization that threatens them, so be it... We'll chuckle, and go on our merry way... As we have done for hundreds of years.




. . . . . and will do for hundreds more.

Amen to that.

Beautifully said, Mirthful.



posted on Oct, 22 2004 @ 03:14 PM
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Are any of you the highest degree in Masonry? the 33 degree?

I'll post some more about what masonry is tmw if I get time. In the mean time I implore everyone to read this link and its expose on this sect.

www.newadvent.org...


If you don't read this, then you can only blame yourselves.


"Freemasonry displays all the elements of religion, and as such it becomes a rival to the religion of the Gospel. It includes temples and altars, prayers, a moral code, worship, vestments, feast days, the promise of reward or punishment in the afterlife, a hierarchy, and initiation and burial rites. The central Christian doctrines of the Fall, the Incarnation, the necessity of baptism, the church, the sacraments, and the like are considered improper for discussion within the lodge and are relegated to the category of divisive or peripheral opinions. Masonic law is clear that the mention of Jesus Christ within the lodge or the use of His name in prayer is forbidden as offensive to non-Christian brethren."-Trosch

[edit on 10-22-2004 by Cearbhall]



posted on Oct, 22 2004 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by Cearbhall
Are any of you the highest degree in Masonry or really up there in rankage?

I'll post some more about what masonry is tmw if I get time. In the mean time I implore everyone to read this link and its expose on this sect.

www.newadvent.org...


If you don't read this, then you can only blame yourselves.


The "Highest Degree" in Freemasonry is the Sublime Degree of Master Mason, the Third Degree. There is no "Higher Degree" and is the only Degree that a Grand Master (the presiding officer) of a Grand Lodge must have. While I, and most of the other Masons who post here have gone through the Degrees of the Appendant/Concordant Bodies, and most including myself are at least 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Masons (I'm speaking mainly for the North American Masons in this regard), it's irrelevant. You may not believe this, but it's true (a regularly repeated catechism here at ATS, do a search). Here's a link too.

www.masonicinfo.com...



posted on Oct, 22 2004 @ 03:43 PM
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Ok three degrees with various rites having more instruction (degrees), doesn't change the fact on what masonry stands for.



posted on Oct, 22 2004 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by Cearbhall
Ok three degrees with various rites having more instruction (degrees), doesn't change the fact on what masonry stands for.


Kind of is an appalling contrast, Freemasonry standing for arcane concepts such as Hope, Faith, Charity, Brotherly Love, Truth, Tolerance, Freedom, Goodwill, Relief... All is not lost though, the Roman Catholic Church is still solvent and quite capable of making reparations... So many victims, so many lawsuits.



posted on Oct, 22 2004 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Cearbhall
Ok three degrees with various rites having more instruction (degrees), doesn't change the fact on what masonry stands for.



. . . . stands for, from a "Christian" perspective. Make sure you are aware of your Christian biases, and make note of them for all to see. Incidentally, Christianity is not the only religion in te word that lays claim to some sort of salvation and/or afterlife.



posted on Oct, 22 2004 @ 03:58 PM
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Since you didn't read this the first time...........


"Freemasonry displays all the elements of religion, and as such it becomes a rival to the religion of the Gospel. It includes temples and altars, prayers, a moral code, worship, vestments, feast days, the promise of reward or punishment in the afterlife, a hierarchy, and initiation and burial rites. The central Christian doctrines of the Fall, the Incarnation, the necessity of baptism, the church, the sacraments, and the like are considered improper for discussion within the lodge and are relegated to the category of divisive or peripheral opinions. Masonic law is clear that the mention of Jesus Christ within the lodge or the use of His name in prayer is forbidden as offensive to non-Christian brethren."-Trosch

LT,
More Masonic smoke screen, nothing more. You've been brainwashed, get out while you can. What happens to you if you tell the secrets of the Masons?

Please consolidate this with Freemasonry thread that Gerard made.


[edit on 10-22-2004 by Cearbhall]



posted on Oct, 22 2004 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by Cearbhall
Since you didn't read this the first time...........


"Freemasonry displays all the elements of religion, and as such it becomes a rival to the religion of the Gospel. It includes temples and altars, prayers, a moral code, worship, vestments, feast days, the promise of reward or punishment in the afterlife, a hierarchy, and initiation and burial rites. The central Christian doctrines of the Fall, the Incarnation, the necessity of baptism, the church, the sacraments, and the like are considered improper for discussion within the lodge and are relegated to the category of divisive or peripheral opinions. Masonic law is clear that the mention of Jesus Christ within the lodge or the use of His name in prayer is forbidden as offensive to non-Christian brethren."-Trosch

LT,
More Masonic smoke screen you spew.


. . . . And the overarching, final, trump-card answer to all of this is . . .

**drum-roll**


Masons don't care.

Masons come from all faiths, all walks of life. If the RCC doesn't approve, well, nothing much will happen.

Masonry cannot be stopped. History proves it.

Thanks for your Christian biases. You have made your position known. You'll not be able to "convert" anyone here.

Cheers.



posted on Oct, 22 2004 @ 04:12 PM
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. . And the overarching, final, trump-card answer to all of this is . . .

**drum-roll**


"Masons don't care."

I know Masons don't care, thats your problem.

"Masons come from all faiths, all walks of life. If the RCC doesn't approve, well, nothing much will happen."

All faiths aren't equal to the True Faith. You put Islam, Buddhism, Satanism, Christianity and all the rest all on the same level, your are wrong.

"Masonry cannot be stopped. History proves it. "

Neither can the Catholic Church be stopped. It will be here in defiance of all heretical sects and will be the bastion of Truth and light in this dark world. You're wrong Masonry will be destroyed in Christ's Second Coming.

"Thanks for your Christian biases. You have made your position known. You'll not be able to "convert" anyone here."

You never know, I just might. If I "convert" one person then that's good and I've done my job.

"Cheers."

Cheers to you too.



[edit on 10-22-2004 by Cearbhall]



posted on Oct, 22 2004 @ 04:17 PM
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You know what, that's fair enough. When Christ comes for a second time (he's taking quite a while, it seems), THEN I'll be more than happy to be judged.

Until that time, I'm here. Masons are here. You're here, too, and provided you stay on topic and adhere to the TOS, then you're free to defend the RCC to your heart's content.



posted on Oct, 22 2004 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally copied and pasted by Cearbhall
"Freemasonry displays all the elements of religion, and as such it becomes a rival to the religion of the Gospel. It includes temples and altars, prayers, a moral code, worship, vestments, feast days, the promise of reward or punishment in the afterlife, a hierarchy, and initiation and burial rites. The central Christian doctrines of the Fall, the Incarnation, the necessity of baptism, the church, the sacraments, and the like are considered improper for discussion within the lodge and are relegated to the category of divisive or peripheral opinions. Masonic law is clear that the mention of Jesus Christ within the lodge or the use of His name in prayer is forbidden as offensive to non-Christian brethren."-Trosch


You expect a narrow interpretation of the Christian faith within the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church, yours is the "only" way, all others are flawed and will result in damnation (and you think that damnation should start now, screw "further review" by the "Big Guy" upstairs). the flaw is that you, some other members who post here, the individuals who compiled this information into the New Advent website, and the RCC are trying to make Freemasonry out to be a rival religion... It is not. Freemasonry has had the audacity to be inclusive, to unite not divide, to provide relief and service to their fellow man... That is the crime you wish to convict us of... Let me save you some trouble, "I plead guilty to the Good Works, and Tenets of Freemasonry", I would expect the same from Brethren assembled here. The question remains, do you care to continue to distort the Truth, and what sentence is befitting this crime that I just confessed my guilt?



posted on Oct, 22 2004 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by Cearbhall
Are any of you the highest degree in Masonry? the 33 degree?

I'll post some more about what masonry is tmw if I get time. In the mean time I implore everyone to read this link and its expose on this sect.

www.newadvent.org...


If you don't read this, then you can only blame yourselves.


"Freemasonry displays all the elements of religion, and as such it becomes a rival to the religion of the Gospel. It includes temples and altars, prayers, a moral code, worship, vestments, feast days, the promise of reward or punishment in the afterlife, a hierarchy, and initiation and burial rites. The central Christian doctrines of the Fall, the Incarnation, the necessity of baptism, the church, the sacraments, and the like are considered improper for discussion within the lodge and are relegated to the category of divisive or peripheral opinions. Masonic law is clear that the mention of Jesus Christ within the lodge or the use of His name in prayer is forbidden as offensive to non-Christian brethren."-Trosch

[edit on 10-22-2004 by Cearbhall]


Obviously, you are not a Mason. Speak about what you know, not what you have heard or read. I can quote people saying that the world if flat too. That post of yours is a waste of time.



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