Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
If I write a song, and you buy a copy of it, paid for with crops you grew, how is that a zero sum game?
Then your providing a non essential service and it's likely that some poor half starved person somewhere in the world did the labour that made it
possible... Remember that the net flow of resources between the west and the third world is massively in favour of the west and not as result of
choices the third world ever freely made...
Next year, you can grow more corn, and I can cut another album. So how did either of us get poorer? the CD you bought is worth what you can
get for it--but you're not "poorer" because of it. You have a higher quality of life than your neighbor does.
The subsidy on US agricultural produce is as far as i remember the highest in the world and your in fact probably giving him the album for free
considering the taxes you pay to help him grow. It would have to be a real good album to raise his quality of living btw.
Free Enterprise is about baking a bigger pie, not fighting over the scraps.
That would explain why so many dozens of third world nations are getting ever poorer to enrich the first world? The whole idea that the pie 'simple
gets bigger' , especially under the current energy paradigm, is a illusion so that western people may think that they are solely responsible for
their relative wealth.
The real reason the Canada and the US lead the world in owning stuff is because their worker productivity is the highest on the planet.
Actually your abusing those numbers rather badly as i remember understanding that Americans simply work on average more of the hours they are getting
paid for ( due to more efficient oversight or lax labour laws?) thus resulting in more 'productivity' , as in dollars they earn for their employer,
per hour paid. Now i don't trust this statistics to start with as blue collar manufacturing and production jobs are moving to Eastern Euro, SEA,
China , South America and Africa. Why would all the real jobs be moved to such places if western workers were so productive? It does not in fact make
sense at all.
I would suggest we consider those numbers with great skepticism if at all and note that American works now work the longest hours of workers in the
Industrialized world probably contributing to any accuracy there might be left in that notion. Certainly the fact that Americans own ' so much
stuff' is largely due to the way their ancestors went about stealing an entire continent with natural riches that few other nations have in such
So their workers get paid more, and buy more stuff.
This makes no sense as it assumes a contradiction? How can American workers be the most productive workers in the world and receive the highest wages
to buy the most 'stuff' with? Productivity is a measure of the workers worth to his employer ( under the current energy paradigm; it can be changed)
and the more of the workers labour is returned to his hands the less 'productive' he becomes to his employer hence the reason why manufacturing jobs
have moved to other countries.
American productivity is approaching nearly $40 an hour. Meaning that American workers generate proportionaly more wealth, AND, a
disproportionate share of the "global domestic product."
Then, once again, why is the real jobs moving to other nations where people will work for less pay simply to survive? How come the minimum wage in the
USA is 5-6 USD if the average American worker earns his employer 40 USD per hour? I can not understand how the math was done but does this not make
the average American worker a bit of a fool? Is a return on labour investment of 15% really the way the world should work and how on Earth can
American afford the riches they do based on those kinds of salaries? It's not the whole story and you should look deeper...
This little study has some interesting info: www.ecb.int...
The bigger the better imo.
France and USA are at the top of the productivity index,
The French supposedly works the fewest hours of workers in the industrialized nations so once again i am left wondering how the math is done? How can
Americans who work the longest hours be about as productive as the French who works least? Why are both focusing on service economies while
manufacturing and essential industries goes elsewhere? Who does the real work and how little must they get paid if others live so well?
the the USA leads all of the EU countries listed in terms of average number of hours worked per worker. (As a side note, it looks like the
national economy in Finland is totally exploding---an interesting thought for investors.)
So now it's a good thing that Americans are most productive per hour with such low minimum wages and yet still work the longest hours? What is there
to be proud about and where does the real wealth come from?
The poorest nations all share one thing--whether it's Haiti, or Liberia, or tanzania---their productivity is stagnant.
Actually i would argue they that they earn their employers possibly the same return on labour but just get far less back hence their poverty... Why
are all the real working jobs ( i have actually worked with shovel and such and sitting behind a desk is not 'work' imo) going (far) east or west or
South? What does the work the so called work westerners do have to do with how high their standards of living are? Why are so many getting ever poorer
as the rich get richer? You say this is not a Zero-sum situation?
Basically, the rich get richer by a geometrical progression. They are busy making "their" side of the the pie bigger. So, even if their
wedge doesn't get wider, it has more and more material in it.
A very nice nicely cultivated delusion to assure the complicity of the western workers while their various governments pillages the third world
nations for their wealth and labour energy. I must ask again; What does labour productivity have to do with the relative quality of life of the
worker? Do you think sweat shops in Indonesia is not more productive for the owners than sweat shops in the USA would be? Why are such VERY productive
slave workers in the East not experiencing such relatively high quality of life as those workers in Western Europe?
I would not be surprised to find this paper in the archives of every neo-nazi/KKK webpage and funnily i just observed that the study was
done/sponsored by the European Central Bank with the Address:
60311 Frankfurt am Main
If i noticed that before i made the neo-Nazi comment it would have probably edited it out, for possible bias, but since i only discovered who the
study sponsors were afterwards i will leave it as possible food for thought...
Anyone who really believes that poor people are so because they do less work, or work less efficiently in terms of production, will frequently run
into me openly disagreeing with this borderline racist notions.