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Are You Next To Be Incarcerated Without Being Charged

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posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 12:10 AM
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This is a story about Jose Padilla, who was born in Brooklyn, New York. At the age of 36 was arrested in June of 2002, and without being charged of anything, was just labeled as an "enemy combatant. Since then, he has been incarcerated and according to his lawyers, tortured. While he was incarcerated at a US Navy Brig, his lawyers are claiming now they have video of him being lead to a dentist appointment in handcuffs, foot shackles, headphones and blacked out goggles.
 



www.time.com
Jose Padilla was the first and only American citizen to be held without charge after being labeled an "enemy combatant" by President Bush. A 36-year-old former Chicago gang member, he was arrested in June 2002, following his arrival at Chicago's O'Hare airport. The U.S. claimed he had been sent by al-Qaeda to blow up a radioactive "dirty bomb" in an American city.

Now, after more than three years in custody, Padilla's lawyers are claiming that new images taken from a government video show that he received unduly harsh treatment while being held at a U.S. Navy brig in Charleston, S.C. The pictures, still shots from an unclassified Department of Defense video, show his hands and feet shackled as he wears headphones and blacked-out goggles while being escorted by three guards dressed in helmets and riot gear to a dental appointment.

The new material was filed in federal court in Miami late last week, and was first reported by the New York Times. The filing comes as part of an attempt by Padilla's lawyers to win dismissal of criminal charges against him for supporting terrorism. The lawyers argue that Padilla was subjected to the equivalent of torture while in U.S. military custody, and that the experience has left him psychologically damaged and unable to participate in his own defense.




Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Why did our forefathers fight England. It was because of atrocities like this. This man is incarcerated for over 3 years and hasn't even been charged for anything yet.

Even if they think he is guilty, he should still receive a speedy trail and know the charges against him. Just for them to be able to hold him he should be CHARGED with SOMETHING. He was born in the US and is a natural citizen. There is no reason, in my reasoning, that the military should hold a US citizen unless he BLATANTLY committed treason. And if it is blatant, there is no reason he should be held without being charged.

American citizens rights that "The Constitution" GUARANTEES (see last link on Related News Links) are slowly being stripped away from us, almost unnoticiebly.


Related News Links:
www.cato.org
en.wikipedia.org

www.usinfo.state.gov





[edit on 12-5-2006 by Djarums]

[edit on 5/12/06 by Keyhole]




posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 10:15 AM
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Why even bother posting this? We all know that the majority has ruled that these new bills like the Patriot Act I & II and the new Military Commissions Act are such a good thing, because everyone is soooo afraid of those mean old terrorists.

America is getting what´s coming to them, and the ignorance of the majority of the American people will be paid with loss of freedom.

What did you expect? Do you really think a couple of students with billboards will stop the ongoing march towards a police state?

Fight fire with fire or you will perish.



posted on Dec, 6 2006 @ 12:19 AM
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I can hardly believe the lack of outrage after people reading this article found out a fellow citizen was incarcerated now for 3 years without being charged for ANY crime. He is a natural citizen born in the United States who was incarcerated by our military for THREE years without ever being charged of a crime.

And this is the best answer somebody could give.


Originally posted by Truth4hire
Why even bother posting this? We all know that the majority has ruled that these new bills like the Patriot Act I & II and the new Military Commissions Act are such a good thing,


WHAT majority are you talking about, I didn't get to vote for or against actions like this or these acts.

Maybe this guy is guilty, I don't know, but U.S. citizens are SUPPOSE to have certain rights.

THE BILL OF RIGHTS


Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.


If our rights are being taken away from us, I sure hope people will at least have something to say about it.



posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by Keyhole
WHAT majority are you talking about, I didn't get to vote for or against actions like this or these acts.


The majority in congress, which has been democratically elected. In other words, the majority of citizens in the United States have chosen to legalize these actions because they were told that it would improve their safety, and non-compliance would be unpatriotic.

So, if you disagree with the majority, or the "new" majority does not like the way they have chosen, it´s time to either impeach the current administration or declare independence from the current administration and thow up a barricade around your house.

Either way will not be easy, so good luck.



posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 02:08 PM
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I agree with Truth4Hire, we should fight fire with fire, if I only had a torch... and people with me, like in the olden days, where an angry mob walked around with pichforks and torches, going, we're angry now, and the government going like, okay, we're sorry, we'll change.



posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 07:24 PM
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yea ur rights are slowly being undermined, just think of it, they can call anyone they want an enemy combatant and jail them for as long as they please, not to mention torture them.... whats happening to the old america



posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 08:28 PM
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What I want to know is - How do we get names put on this list?

My daughter has a couple of nasty friends I would like to remove from her environment. It would be okay with me if they went to the brig or a camp.

Who do I call?

I don't have to be a close personal friend of the President, do I?





posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 08:59 PM
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Just log on to the FBI website from an anonymous computer and leave them a tip I suppose sofi. That is of course if you were serious. Hey I am not saying it is right or wrong, all I am doing is trying my best to answer your question.



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 02:24 AM
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Originally posted by Keyhole
I can hardly believe the lack of outrage after people reading this article found out a fellow citizen was incarcerated now for 3 years without being charged for ANY crime.


Because the populace is being kept soft, distracted, entertained. Similar to the days of the Colosseum and gladiator events. A population contented with its intertainment has little motivation to 'rock the boat' or speak out about the wrongs being committed.

Between that and the looming spectre of terrorism that the government so loves to wave around like a talisman, and labeling anyone who's against the 'safeguards' as a terrorist (Or throwing around that old saw 'I'm not doing anything wrong so I have nothing to worry about') . . . is it any surprise that this can happen and almost no one says a word?



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 08:12 AM
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That's because the wast majority of the population are...



wait for it




Retards. Yes, they are incapable of thought, at least, logical thought...
They prefer being told what to do. Wait for the economic crash and then start yelling out about how bad it is, since sheeple aren't incited to rebel when they have food and a roof over their heads. They'll only get interested when they're miserable. That's why I consider them being retarded by ignoring their own pathetic futures, which they let happen as we speak by refusing the truth. Only when it gets bad will they say, aaaaah, and oooooooh.



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 01:54 PM
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What the heck?.... How can a person be "held without charge" when he was indicted and a case was presented against him?.....


Prepared Remarks of Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales at the Press Conference Regarding the Indictment of Jose Padilla
Washington, DC
November 22, 2005
Good morning.

I am joined by Assistant Attorney General Alice Fisher of the Criminal Division, U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta of the Southern District of Florida, and Deputy Director of the FBI John Pistole.

Earlier today, a superseding indictment was unsealed in federal court in the Southern District of Florida charging Jose Padilla with providing - and conspiring to provide - material support to terrorists, and conspiring to murder individuals who are overseas.

The indictment alleges that Padilla traveled overseas to train as a terrorist with the intention of fighting in “violent jihad” - a short hand term to describe a radical Islamic fundamentalist ideology that advocates using physical force and violence to oppose governments, institutions, and individuals who do not share their view of Islam. These groups routinely engage in acts of physical violence such as murder, maiming, kidnapping, and hostage-taking against innocent civilians.

Mr. Padilla is now a new co-defendant - along with Canadian national Kassem Daher - in a criminal prosecution that previously charged defendants Adham Hassoun, Mohomed Youssef, and Kifah Jayyousi with terrorism-related crimes. All of these defendants are alleged members of a violent terrorist support cell that operated in the United States and Canada. As you know, under our criminal justice system all defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.

www.usdoj.gov...


I guess some people around here would love to see the justice system of the U.S. to be as inneficient as in Europe where criminals who have even been proven to be rapers and such can walk free...

Anyways, Padilla is under civilian custody, and his trial is set to begin in January 22 2007. His lawyer has tried many things including claiming that Padilla is not fit to stand trial....

BTW, Padilla's detention was based on a decision based on a United States Supreme Court in the case of "ex parte Quirin", a case which involved German-Americans working for Nazi Germany.

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posted on Dec, 13 2006 @ 08:38 AM
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well, how can this happen? People are lasy and don't wanna do anything untill or unless it affects them is some way. People have been brainwashed into narcissism, don't blame them for not caring about their fellow human beings. Blame the government and media, people are followers, they do what's in style, most humans don't think, only a small persentage of the population does, and the rest usually follow that small percentage. We're in hell, get used to it.

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posted on Dec, 13 2006 @ 01:57 PM
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the right to a speedy trial, innocent until proven guilty...

sweet memories.



posted on Dec, 13 2006 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by Keyhole

Jose Padilla was the first and only American citizen to be held without charge after being labeled an "enemy combatant" by President Bush.

A 36-year-old former Chicago gang member,

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



Gang Member = Loyalty to the Gang, commit crimes against citizens.

Gang Member = Traitor.


Simple truth right there my friend, give him the $0.58 solution.



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 09:34 AM
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traitor or not, he's a human being with rights. Those rights have been violated. Would you like to be picked up on the street and incarcerated indefinetly without charge?



posted on Dec, 15 2006 @ 01:22 AM
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Originally posted by Radekus
traitor or not, he's a human being with rights. Those rights have been violated. Would you like to be picked up on the street and incarcerated indefinitely without charge?


Our "Bill of Rights are suppose to guarantee things like this don't happen to U.S. citizens, and I do believe anybody by our law enforcement or judiciary branches (read government).

The Bill of Rights - Amendment V


Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.




Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.


In my opinion, I sure hope the government re- reads out Constitutional rights, and stops MISINTERPRETING them.

The US is turning into a third world country where people have no rights.



posted on Dec, 15 2006 @ 08:01 AM
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Correction, all of western civilisation is turning into despotic regimes.
Europe has its own share of bs.



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