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Hugo Chavez looks set to be re elected

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posted on Dec, 3 2006 @ 09:19 PM
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Hugo Chavez is on the verge of re election . Close to eighty percent of the votes have been counted and Chavez has polled sixty percent of the votes counted.
 



news.bbc.co.uk
Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez is headed for re-election in Sunday's poll, preliminary results suggest.

With about 80% of votes counted, the left-wing president has secured more than 60% of the vote, according to official figures.

They suggest his main opposition rival, Manuel Rosales, is far behind.

If the results are confirmed, Mr Chavez would have obtained the strong majority he is seeking to complete his socialist revolution.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Assuming that there isn't a sudden and major swing against Chavez the people (read the likes of Republicans) who already don't like Chavez will go nuts at his re election.

Chavez is to much of a smooth operator for my liking he seems to be more interested in making politically loaded speeches at the UN and giving out cheap oil in order to gain the support of "Liberals" instead of doing what is right for Venezuela.

Note CNN is calling the election for Chavez.

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[edit on 3/12/2006 by Mirthful Me]




posted on Dec, 3 2006 @ 10:18 PM
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Take that globalists!
And if he get killed or kidnapped, we'll know who did it, the brave CIA, AGAIN like in 2002! Ah... imperialism...



posted on Dec, 3 2006 @ 10:31 PM
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I'm have no qualms with him winning the election.

I personally like him, and think he makes a good leader.

If the people of Venezuela want to elect him to be presidnet
for another term, well they are a democratic country, and he's
the one they want.


I'm sure there will be alot of anti-Chavez saying he stole the
election or something like that.

Considering that Venezuela just recently upgraded there E-voting
machines to make them more hacker proof.



posted on Dec, 4 2006 @ 08:40 PM
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He won without fraud huh?...


Even before all polling stations closed, hundreds of Chavez supporters celebrated in the streets as word spread of a partisan exit poll paid for by the government that pointed to a sweeping Chavez victory over Rosales.

www.cnn.com...

According to the news in south Florida his oponent was winning, but then somehow Chavez won.

Chavez has made several moves which shows he is a Communist and is taking Venezuela towards a true dictatorship. Some of the moves have been to set up comitees in each neighborhood that wold spy on what the people are doing and would report back to the government, just like the Communist neighborhood watch that are set up in every neighborhood in Cuba, yet i see some of the same people in these forums who claim the U.S. to be a dictatorship are supporting Chavez...

Chavez has claimed on several occasions that he wants to rule for as long as castro has ruled Cuba, yet some people still want to claim he is for the good of the people?.... riiight....and i guess castro is also a good man...

Wake up people....Chavez adores and says not only that castro is his best friend, but he is Chavez's mentor.

In the following link is a copilation of many of the shady deals that Chavez has with terrorism and castro.

www.proveo.org...

Yeah, keep claiming Chavez is for the people when he venerates anc sees as a mnetor and good friend one of the worse dictators in our time...


[edit on 4-12-2006 by Muaddib]



posted on Dec, 4 2006 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
According to the news in south Florida his oponent was winning, but then somehow Chavez won.


That's not the news reports I've been hearing.
What I've been hearing is that he won with a sixty some percent win.




Chavez has made several moves which shows he is a Communist and is taking Venezuela towards a true dictatorship.


And what praytell is wrong with Communism?

A dictatorship is when a single person is the ruler, without elections,
or votes, Chavez has won the elections with the lower class vote.




Wake up people....Chavez adores and says not only that castro is his best friend, but he is Chavez's mentor.


Actually he considers him his closest political ally anbd a father.




Yeah, keep claiming Chavez is for the people when he venerates anc sees as a mnetor and good friend one of the worse dictators in our time...


I honestly would'nt consider Castro to be the worst dictator of our
time, though that's not to say I like him either.



posted on Dec, 4 2006 @ 09:19 PM
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Chavez has a very divided country. The only thing he seems to know how to do that is REALLY good, is bash the United States (which can score lots of brownie points). His country overall is not doing well though.



posted on Dec, 4 2006 @ 09:22 PM
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The people in Venezuela likes Chavez, obviously the people in South Florida likes the opponent.

It kinds of given me deja vu. . . . . I guess Florida is the best place to get the real news of who wins of lose the elections, so anything else must be fraud.


Will florida be counting hanging chads? for venezuela loser?

Well like it or not US anti Chavez crowd he is holding power so get over it.



posted on Dec, 4 2006 @ 09:40 PM
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Chavez is to much of a smooth operator for my liking he seems to be more interested in making politically loaded speeches at the UN and giving out cheap oil in order to gain the support of "Liberals" instead of doing what is right for Venezuela.


If I may ask, what is the right thing to do for Venezuela? He has doen what any responsible government should do with their natural resources. He has taken the revenues and handed a big portion of it back to his people. I don't suppose it would be better to allow those billions to instead go into the pockets of a group of people whos number you can count on your hands?

Free university education and medical for their citizens. That does not sound very bad at all I would say. It is what every government should work on.



posted on Dec, 4 2006 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by iori_komei

That's not the news reports I've been hearing.
What I've been hearing is that he won with a sixty some percent win.


It is a bit more complicated than that.


Even so, Mr Chavez's big over Mr Rosales has actually shrunk, they said, because an October poll gave him a 35-point margin, 59 per cent to 24 per cent.

Zogby and the University of Miami department said there is a "sense of inevitability" growing in Venezuela's presidential race, with two-thirds of the people saying they thought incumbent Mr Chavez, known for his rough politics and anti-US oratory, would win no matter who they planned to vote for.

The poll showed that 63 per cent of the 800 likely voters surveyed across Venezuela want Chavez's policies to continue while 28 per cent were against the policies.

www.theaustralian.news.com.au...


Originally posted by iori_komei

And what praytell is wrong with Communism?

A dictatorship is when a single person is the ruler, without elections,
or votes, Chavez has won the elections with the lower class vote.


Every single Communist regime has been a dictatorship and Communism has murdered more people, over 110 million people without counting soldiers sent to fight, than all other economic systems and forms of government the world has known in 200 years.


Originally posted by iori_komei

Actually he considers him his closest political ally anbd a father.


Worse yet. The Cuban regime is a distatorship that does not give a crap about the people, and chavez sees castro as a father, a political ally and a mentor.


Chavez, who is favored in the polls to win re-election, calls Castro his mentor and typically salutes him in his long, daily speeches that are reminiscent of marathon public appearances by the Cuban president before he fell ill.

www.msnbc.msn.com...




Originally posted by iori_komei
I honestly would'nt consider Castro to be the worst dictator of our
time, though that's not to say I like him either.


i said one of the worse dictators in the world, and he is. People in Cuba have no real rights except what the Communist Party tells them is right to do, people can barely survive, and more so if they are part of a small family.

Most, if not all of those doctors sent to Venezuela from Cuba, did not have a choice whether they should go or not. They were told and they had to do it. I have an uncle who is a Cuban doctor and he is still in Venezuela.

For over a year he was sent to Venezuela and he hasn't seen in all that time anyone of our family, including his wife, his 8 month old son, and his 6 year old daughter.

Chavez is a friend, and ally and the mentor of a dictator, and he is following the footsteps of castro almost to the letter.

[edit on 4-12-2006 by Muaddib]



posted on Dec, 4 2006 @ 10:56 PM
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For those people who put faith in polls, here is a poll for your perusal.


Posted on Fri, Nov. 24, 2006

Venezuelans on Fidel Castro• Opinion was split on Cuban leader Fidel Castro, with 44 percent expressing negative views and 42 percent positive.

• Respondents split evenly when asked whether they viewed Cuba favorably as a country.

• An overwhelming 84 percent said they oppose adopting a political system like Cuba's in Venezuela -- and that view cut across class lines.

www.miami.com...\

What do you think that tells about Venezuelans who don't like castro yet Chavez sees castro as a mentor, a friend, a father and a figure to follow?



posted on Dec, 4 2006 @ 11:16 PM
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Here is an article by the BBC in which there are opinions expressed by some Venezuelans and people from other parts of the world, some are in favour of Chavez, some don't really know what is going on over there, just like most of the world does not know, and some are against Chavez. It is an interesting read.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Do notice as the people who are in favour of Chavez, who are from other countries, are from democratic countries which would be considered as rich people in Venezuela, most of which probably have never even visited venezuela, and much less lived there, and have no idea on the truth of people such as Che Guevara, which they call heroes, while the opinions of others, as for example from Lebanon, Russia, and most Venezuelans who anwsered that poll were against Chavez.

There are a lot of "rich, Capitalist, and ignorant" people who don't have the facts as to what is happening in Venezuela, yet they praise Chavez, even after the fact that Chavez has as idols and good friends dictators such as castro, Mugabe and Gaddafi.

[edit on 4-12-2006 by Muaddib]



posted on Dec, 4 2006 @ 11:41 PM
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Jeez Mauddib

You're REALLY scraping the barrel this time.


1. You allege voting fraud - because the Chavez government paid for an exit poll.



2. You say Venezuelans don't like Chavez - and quote sources saying:

a. 59% of voters like Chavez while 24% prefer Rosales;

b. 64% of Venezuelans like Chavez' policies, while 28% do not.




It's all in the presentation, huh?



[edit on 4-12-2006 by soficrow]



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by DYepes
If I may ask, what is the right thing to do for Venezuela? He has doen what any responsible government should do with their natural resources. He has taken the revenues and handed a big portion of it back to his people. I don't suppose it would be better to allow those billions to instead go into the pockets of a group of people whos number you can count on your hands?


Well there is such a thing as a middle road in between the Free market and Socialism. Chavez should stop grandstanding in order to gain support in the US he should focus on his own countries problems. IMO Chavez wouldn't need to drum up support in the US if he had good intension's.



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by soficrow
Jeez Mauddib

You're REALLY scraping the barrel this time.


1. You allege voting fraud - because the Chavez government paid for an exit poll.



2. You say Venezuelans don't like Chavez - and quote sources saying:

a. 59% of voters like Chavez while 24% prefer Rosales;

b. 64% of Venezuelans like Chavez' policies, while 28% do not.




It's all in the presentation, huh?



[edit on 4-12-2006 by soficrow]


Jeez Soficrow,

In the real world dictators do make fraudulent elections...

I wonder what does it mean that Chavez has as a mentor, a good friend, and sees as a father a dictator such as castro?....or what about Mugabe?....or Gaddafi...


Did i say there are no people who support Chavez?... i never said that, but it has been obvious for some time that Chavez has been losing followers, yet the oposite is being protrayed in the "media run by his government"...

The media in Venezuela is completly controlled by the government, if any independant media shows the fallacies in the government of Chavez and tries to show what is happening over there, is immediately labeled as "puppets of the imperialists"...."and it is all a lie".....


Why is it that the government of Chavez does not allow helicopters to film the gathering of those who are against him?...

Why is it that only in newspapers from half around the world, such as some Russian reporter made a report that in demonstrations against Chavez there have been up to two million people, but the main Venezuelan media, which is run by the government, they don't say so?....

You want to believe that Chavez is a good man despite the facts that there are more poor people in Venezuela now than before he was in power, and all the problems he claimed he was going to solve are only getting worse?

Go ahead, but my experience tells me this man is not as good as some claim.

[edit on 5-12-2006 by Muaddib]



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 08:57 AM
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Originally posted by soficrow
.............
2. You say Venezuelans don't like Chavez - and quote sources saying:

a. 59% of voters like Chavez while 24% prefer Rosales;

b. 64% of Venezuelans like Chavez' policies, while 28% do not.

.................


63% of 800 people want his policies to continue......

There is a big difference soficrow....

but i guess you really think that 800 people speak for all Venezuelans.....


[edit on 5-12-2006 by Muaddib]



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 09:06 AM
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Muaddib

Has ever crossed your mind that the only reason Chavez is an axis of evil to the US is because he take a stand to big greedy and dirty corporate power?

Have you by this time has not gotten already the fact that the reason Chavez is no liked is because he is not sharing his country resources with US oil barons?.

Look what greed and power has done in the middle east.

Do you rather see Venezuela like Iraq as long as the US oil barons get to plunder their oil resources in the name of For the good of the world?

Let Chavez keep his oil and rule his nation the way he wants, he is not Saddam and he is not Castro, he is just old US nemesis Chavez.


Now I bet if Venezuela was just another poor South American country with not resources . . . Nobody will care if the people live or die.



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 09:07 AM
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In the real world dictators do make fraudulent elections...

Just like the US administration.




Chavez has made several moves which shows he is a Communist and is taking Venezuela towards a true dictatorship.

Like Bush Co.

Some of the moves have been to set up comitees in each neighborhood that wold spy on what the people are doing and would report back to the government,

Just like in the USA, NOW.

just like the Communist neighborhood watch that are set up in every neighborhood in Cuba,

Pure lies. Maybe it was true 30 years ago but since at least 10 years, it's lies.


yet i see some of the same people in these forums who claim the U.S. to be a dictatorship are supporting Chavez...

Exactly.



Chavez has claimed on several occasions that he wants to rule for as long as castro has ruled Cuba, yet some people still want to claim he is for the good of the people?.... riiight....and i guess castro is also a good man...

Yeah he want to rule if the people wants. And Castro isn't as bad as you say. He's not in the international drug dealing, nor international prostitution rings, war profiting and in some weirdo religion like the Bushies.

[edit on 5-12-2006 by Vitchilo]



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Muaddib

Has ever crossed your mind that the only reason Chavez is an axis of evil to the US is because he take a stand to big greedy and dirty corporate power?

Have you by this time has not gotten already the fact that the reason Chavez is no liked is because he is not sharing his country resources with US oil barons?.

Look what greed and power has done in the middle east.

Do you rather see Venezuela like Iraq as long as the US oil barons get to plunder their oil resources in the name of For the good of the world?

Let Chavez keep his oil and rule his nation the way he wants, he is not Saddam and he is not Castro, he is just old US nemesis Chavez.


Now I bet if Venezuela was just another poor South American country with not resources . . . Nobody will care if the people live or die.




Marg, has it ever crossed your mind that Chavez is a lot momre greedy?...

He mentioned in one of his statements a while back that he would be in power until 2031 or more if the people voted for him.... You might think that he is going to let people in Venezuela really vote for him but by his own words he wants to stay in power like castro has, and castro has not stayed in power by letting people vote... the vote is fraudulent 100%.

What does that tell you of Chavez if he has admitted himself that he wants to be in power as castro has, if he sees castro as his mentor, like his father and one of his best friend... Lets see what a mentor is shall we?


A person who provides guidance and recommendations to a more junior person for courses of action and behavior.

www.google.com...:mentor&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

Wow, so he gets advice, guidance and recommendations from a dictator on how to run a country.... and people still want to claim "he is for the people"?....


[edit on 5-12-2006 by Muaddib]



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo

Just like the US administration.





Originally posted by Vitchilo
Just like in the USA, NOW.


Really?... i don't see you or anyone else in here who have been taken for saying your opinions in public, like the video I have shown of the old lady who said "she used to be behind Chavez, but now will never vote for him again" as she was being filmed by a foreign journalist and then some of Chavez thugs took her away into a government building and the journalist was told in no uncertain manners to mind his own business and not to get invoved in the politics of Venezuela....



Originally posted by Vitchilo
Pure lies. Maybe it was true 30 years ago but since at least 10 years, it's lies.


If anyone is lying it is you buddy... Those things are still happening in Cuba, but I guess you are too busy playing your playstation 2-3 and then yelling "U.S. is evil"...

Anyways, that is a thread of itself. I was presenting on the overall what is happening to Cuba because Chavez sees castro as a friend, father and mentor.....which says a lot as to what direction Chavez is taking Venezuela towards to.


Originally posted by Vitchilo
Exactly.


Yet you are wrong on that one buddy... Look at what happened in the U.S. the Democrats were voted into the House and Senate despite some people yelling in here for years the Republicans and president Bush would take control of the country....


Originally posted by Vitchilo
Yeah he want to rule if the people wants. And Castro isn't as bad as you say. He's not in the international drug dealing, nor international prostitution rings, war profiting and in some weirdo religion like the Bushies.


castro isn't as bad as I say?....


Discuss the topics you do know about, and I don't really want to derail the topic at hand, the topic is Chavez, but his admiration for dictators who are mentors to him speak volumes of what sort of a man Chavez is...

[edit on 5-12-2006 by Muaddib]



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 10:09 AM
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Really?... i don't see you or anyone else in here who have been taken for saying your opinions in public,

It's not that hard in the US, yet, but soon it will be. People have already lost their jobs because of their opinions.



If anyone is lying it is you buddy... Those things are still happening in Cuba, but I guess you are too busy playing your playstation 2-3 and then yelling "U.S. is evil"...

Anyways, that is a thread of itself. I was presenting on the overall what is happening to Cuba because Chavez sees castro as a friend, father and mentor.....

Yeah, it's bizarre that almost the only propaganda against Cuba is from the USA, especially Florida? Almost everything is hyped against Cuba just because some moron in the White House just like double standart... Making money with China who is 100X worse than Cuba, but doing an embargo against Cuba since 50 years.



Yet you are wrong on that one buddy... Look at what happened in the U.S. the Democrats were voted into the House and Senate despite some people yelling in here for years the Republicans and president Bush would take control of the country....

Yeah continue to believe that the democrats and the republicans are not the same crap, continue to be in your illusions.



castro isn't as bad as I say?....

Mmmm no. People in Cuba would be far better and may have kill Castro long ago if the embargo would have been lifted years ago. Also, who putted Batista in power? Yeah that's right. Who's running jail where people are tortured? Yeah that's right.
The US shouldn't blame Castro because they do much worse to humanity. At least people in Cuba have health care and high grades schools. In the US, no health care for poors, and crappy schools, the good schools are just for richs. That's pure bullcrap.

The US is just jealous of Cuba on certain point, and they don't like Chavez because their model of socialism/capitalism is working much better than the stupid corporatism of the USA.



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