Warning!! World Wide Web Shutting Down!!

Originally posted by Gypsy_Rose
Whoot! Another Lost fan. I cannot wait for season 3 to start here.
Cheers

I have seen the first 6 episodes of season 3... Won’t give anything away

Apparently they are on a break now until Feb 7th for the 7th episode so have to wait until then. It's a real cliff hanger after episode 6 too



Anyway,

All the best,

NeoN HaZe.

P.S. This is not off topic since I actually download episodes of lost from the net to watch.... deleting them after I watch them of course

Originally posted by Neon Haze

P.S. This is not off topic since I actually download episodes of lost from the net to watch.... deleting them after I watch them of course

Whoa! Now doesn't that amount to ripping off programs from the web illegally?? Lost is copyrighted?

Originally posted by mikesingh

Originally posted by Neon Haze

P.S. This is not off topic since I actually download episodes of lost from the net to watch.... deleting them after I watch them of course

Whoa! Now doesn't that amount to ripping off programs from the web illegally?? Lost is copyrighted?

ooppssee you got me. LoL

So sue me anyway

Um....

Peer to peer file sharing doesn't hold the web together... Stopping it wouldn't have an effect...

Originally posted by mikesingh

Originally posted by Neon Haze

P.S. This is not off topic since I actually download episodes of lost from the net to watch.... deleting them after I watch them of course

Whoa! Now doesn't that amount to ripping off programs from the web illegally?? Lost is copyrighted?

Everything is copyrighted, that was my point in my last post. what there suggesting simply isn't possible because you'll always be downloading copyrighted material the difference is you have the right to do that for the most point.

Originally posted by Edn
Everything is copyrighted, that was my point in my last post. what there suggesting simply isn't possible because you'll always be downloading copyrighted material the difference is you have the right to do that for the most point.

Simply put, if something is in the public domain, in other words in a public arena it would be impossible to enforce a law about it.

You know here in the UK there is a law that states that if you record a movie or programme from the TV then you are only allowed to keep it for a set number of days.

However, this law is total bureaucracy since it is not possible to enforce.

The Net is even more difficult to police.

What you may find is that content providers arise as the only portal to the net, and they censor information. AOL springs to mind....

The truth is, even if the major media corps don’t like what is going on, downloading media is the way the future is heading, not just interactive but static TV media.

I predict in 10 years time ALL media will be sourced through the net as a primary source. The people that are downloading media content now are in fact the Wave of the Future.

All the best,

NeoN HaZe.

Haha, RIAA still at it?

You can't stop pirating.

Originally posted by Lysergic
Haha, RIAA still at it?

You can't stop pirating.

Yeaargggggh!

Sorry I couldn't help it.

This is true ... no matter what technologies come out, there will always be ways to pirate material. It's all just ones and zeroes folks.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
1) Freely distributing copyrighted material that is not your intellectual property is indeed illegal unless you've been licensed to do so.

2) Stopping file sharing will not shut down the web no matter what you read on a highly alarmist article.

I have no idea how someone has projected action against file sharing to equate to a shutting down of the entire web.

Fact: Artist make most of their money on concerts, not CD sales.

Fact: File sharing hurts the Agent. To bad, big man in the suit won't be able to buy that third Lexus.

Fact: With the current amount of file sharing that goes on, artist and the companies that support them are still incredibly rich.

Fact: The price of a CD is extremely inflated, the average teenager cannot buy every CD that comes out.

Fact: More artist support file sharing then not, the ones who do not however get more publicity, such as Matelica.

Fact: File sharing actually MAKES money. Mp3 player sales, do they even make phones that cannot play mp3's any more? How about Apples Ipod series, Sony also makes a few mp3 players, DVD players now play mp3's, car stereos now play mp3's. Mp3's are here to stay, and have had a + impact on the economy, not a -

Fact: The United States has no control over the Internet unless it involves illegal pornography, hate speech against a government official, death threats against the President or other government official, plans of terror attacks against the government, threats of crime, proof of crime (kids that post videos of beating people, robbing people and then posting on sites like Myspace) and identity theft and fraud. Other then that, which basically means the government has just as much right to do anything to the Internet then it does what you do on a street corner, they can't touch it. As for File sharing, as long as the first file was purchased, then shared it is no different then singing it your self, or lending a friend a CD. It is just done a larger scale, but that is the time of our age, the age of fast information on the grand international scale.

The only reason the government protects the record companies is because of the fact the record companies can line pockets with their incredible wealth. Will we sit back and let greedy pricks in suits take rights of speech and information sharing away from us? .. I think we Americans a little to nice and passive.

Originally posted by Rockpuck

Fact: Artists make most of their money on concerts, not CD sales.

Fact: File sharing hurts the Agent. To bad, big man in the suit won't be able to buy that third Lexus.

Fact: With the current amount of file sharing that goes on, artist and the companies that support them are still incredibly rich.

Fact: The price of a CD is extremely inflated, the average teenager cannot buy every CD that comes out.

The only reason the government protects the record companies is because of the fact the record companies can line pockets with their incredible wealth. Will we sit back and let greedy pricks in suits take rights of speech and information sharing away from us?

You're 100% bang on! Not only the third Lexus, but the third country house with two environment controlled swimming pools four tennis and two basketball courts with 20 acres of landscaped gardens. After all, these are the guys who fund 'peoples representatives' during election time!

In a nutshell we are the suckers.

Have a nice day!!

Bang goes freedom of speech. The internet is the way that people can express themselves freely and voice their opinions openly and remain anonymous.

Freedom of speech is everybody's right to express themselves; especially if they are being stripped of their liberties.

I can understand that there may be certain people which have to be monitered, but the general public for the most part do not. I am referring to people who threaten other people via the internet and such-like. The rest of us are intelligent enough not to abuse each other and the internet.

Besides, when a person is unjustly stripped of their freedom of speech that is when anarchy comes into play and the people rebel.

Originally posted by xourxlucidxdreamx
...it will never happen...and as for underground servers/websites, how'd you think servers and the internet started
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I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that the military started the internet! Call me crazy!

Anyhow, whoever started the internet, did so back in the day when it relied on telephone lines. Things have changed now. Cable, wireless... and plenty of it goes through a satellite one way or another.

Of course, the big thing is the money--lost revenue. So when we hear about large companies demanding to get the most bandwith since they created the infrastructure.. perhaps this is it. Large companies pay more to ensure their advertiesments and online stores are loaded more quickly, just as companies paying more get better TV ads played in prime time and the full page, color, magazine ad. The internet goes from a way to freely exchange information, to merely a super-regulated means of delivering commercial material to the public and allowing them to act on it (Buy!).

Newsprint, Radio, TV, Internet... I wonder what is next. What will be the next great way humans try to expand their lives, just to have it all shut down by some greedy little bastards?

So when we hear about large companies demanding to get the most bandwith since they created the infrastructure.. perhaps this is it.

But they didn't create the infrastructure. Your tax dollars did.

Originally posted by please_takemyrights
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that the military started the internet! Call me crazy!

Not Crazy.. actually bang on...

dARPAnet was developed in the late 50's commissioned by the us military, in response to a research project on communication disruptions caused by thermo nuclear events.

The problem back then was this simple.

Location A
Location B
Location C

Location B gets nuked.... all communication from A to C get cut off

The solution to the problem was a network of NODES (communication hubs), that could all communicate with each other, if Location B got nuked the information could circumnavigate the problematic area by choosing a different route to the intended recipient.

This was the first steps towards creating a true WAN (Wide Area Network).

Much later in the late 70's and 80's Universities started getting a type of e-mail and text based communications networks with other research establishments.

From that base came the idea of the WWW we all love or hate today.

However the WWW is still only one side to a multi dimensional infrastructure, networks built within networks built within networks, even Virtual Networks.

IF anything I would say that we have long since past the event horizon of globalisation in IT/Communications.

No Stopping, not even pausing for a nano second.

And I would like to second what has been said earlier... If you have the talent and the brains to be able to get around the ever increasingly harsh measures of security media companies use then you should enjoy the spoils of your intelligence

All the best,

NeoN HaZe.

[edit on 8-12-2006 by Neon Haze]

Actually, the post above is partially wrong. Taxpayer dollars started the Net, but private funding and the IETF made it what is is today. 99.9% of the Net is under private control and "run" by a bunch of unpaid nerds who do it for fun. RFC's are just an agreed upon set of protocols and best practices....

Yes, you could bring down what we know as the Net. The Net relies on DNS - no DNS, no Net.... Yes, local Nets could maintain their own DNS (as they do now) but to get anywhere, you need the top level DNS servers. No top level, and it is all toast....

No the RIAA can not shut down the net - a few servers, but not the whole net.

And for the people here who enjoy music that are not artists, I suggest trying to be one and see where your money comes from. Artists DO NOT make money on the sales of hardware, they make very little off of concerts - contrary to statements above. The money comes in the volume of record (CD) sales. There is more volume there x1000+ compared to what you can pack into stadiums over a year. Also consider that the production people "rent" the stadium and the stadium gets a healthy cut of the ticket price and the stadium gets ALL the concessions. Ever pay insurance for a 50,000 seat venue - it ain't cheap and comes out of the money that would go to the artist.

The bulk of the "profits" an artist sees from a concert is in memorabilia sales.... As a percentage, an artists sees slightly less than they do on CD sales sales. $14 dollar cd, they make about a $1.50 in net profit. $100 concert ticket, they make about $7 in net profit. There is actually very good book on the mechanics of the music industry - it's a thick academic work. Very informitive read....

Oh yeah - for the 1000 big artists that make bank, there are 1000's that do not. In that sense freebie give aways are a marketing expense to build the brand name. In the end though, they need the CD sales (or now iTunes downloads to eat....

Originally posted by UofCinLA
Yes, you could bring down what we know as the Net. The Net relies on DNS - no DNS, no Net.... Yes, local Nets could maintain their own DNS (as they do now) but to get anywhere, you need the top level DNS servers. No top level, and it is all toast....

This would only bring down WWW. The rest of the net would actually find it has a sudden speed increase, since no www traffic.

The top level domain servers only link domain names to IP addresses. If you know the IP address of a site you can go directly to it, without the need to access a DNS server.

In addition the GTLD servers are located all over the place, so exactly how could you bring them down??

All the best,

NeoN HaZe.


[edit on 8-12-2006 by Neon Haze]