It would be nice if you at least watched the report before jumping to conclusions and posting on this thread...

This is aimed at some particular people whome I will not name.

Watched the Report F-D it was interesting, but those members of an Organized Crime Family, gained access to information about the LA police department. Does not make a case for Israeli involvement in the 9/11 event.

Take into consideration that the Mafia in the United States has under certain circumstances been involved with the CIA. There is probably an office at CIA headquarters, which is responsible for maintaining those relations.

Yes it seems apparent that Members of Mossad were detained and for all we know are still under American control. What this could very well imply is in relation to that old adage "politics make for strange bedfellow's."

In the 1970 the United States converted its system of recording conversation from tape to digitized recording. As a result a computer (often called Echelon) was able to do a job which had become impossible for people to do (listen to all conversations). One of the first discoveries made was that member of the CIA and members of the KGB were conspiring with each other to maintain hostilities between the US and Russia. Suffice to say I would hazard a guess that those Israeli spies, who were detained, may not want to return to Israel at this point.

These companies which the article mentioned do not seem to be the home base for Echelon systems. Furthermore, that Israel has access to the American phone system. Does not mean they can listen in to every conversation (anyone can digitally scramble a call).

When a person claims that Israel knew and was involved in some way with the 9/11 event. It comes down to the issue of whether the President of Israel knew for certain that on 9/11. People of mostly Saudi Arabian decent were planning to Hijack planes and use them as missiles. It does seem plausible that members of Mossad were aware that this event was to occur. Its also very plausible they are at present requesting asylum in the United States. This despite the fact that if it is granted, they will spend the rest of there lives in Jail.


What are your thoughts?

This post is getting the attention it deserves.

People seem to have forgotten about this one, without really answering the questions raised (of which there are many). And seeing as discovering this has been one of my more memorable achievements at the ATS, I thought that I would ressurect this post to remind us all of what this war sh!t is all about.

9/11

And also to remind people of just how much of a shady event this was. The government seems to have gotten away with sweeping the whole incident under the carpet (read the signature). 9/11 catalysed the war on terror, but has now been turned into an unimportance as we wage war on Iraq and North Korea. (Tho I don't really think that anyone is gonna wage war with North Korea cuz it can actually fight back with WMDs).

I mean think about it, if Iraq couldn't even hit Kuwait city, how the # was it a threat to world peace. It didn't have any weapons of mass destruction either, which was the premise for the #ing war in the first place. I does, however, have lots and lots of oil, which is handy. (Tho at this point I must admit that going to war on Saddam was a good idea, but America and Britain's motives are not pure.)

Another thing Iraq has is a very large amount of dead people compliments of Saddam Hussein. He tortured and killed them for any reason short of them casting there shadow upon his presence or anyone else he respected.

At present Iraqi citizens are reporting 200,000 missing in the last ten years and despite the fact that the Mossad is good they are not that good.

FD we are clearly dealing with a problem that is the reuslt of a culture which until just about yesterday, felt that its fundamentalist element was something it could control. Today the Saudi/American Embassy is closed until after the Holiday, such an event is as serious as closing the Russian embassy for the same reasons.

This country is at war I assure you its not with the wrong people.

Funny you should bring this one back F-D.

There is a recent topic along the lines of "Does Israel have anything on the USA?"and there were some points in this thread that addressed that.

I'll check that one out.

I've been away for a while, as you may have noticed, and I was just wondering if anyone had come up with any news on this at all, but it seems like a nope.

Ahh well, if anyone hasn't seen this thread before I strongly suggest to take a look at that Fox News Report.

Originally posted by Fantastic_Damage
I'm not gonna let this post go away until everyone sees it. As far as conspiracies go this is preddy big, but unlike most there is hard evidence to back it up.

[Edited on 8-11-2002 by Fantastic_Damage]

Well I'll give you the fact that it is a conspiracy. But sorry dude, it's hardly earth-shattering news. Like the dude said earlier "everyone is spying on everyone else".

Why don't you try thinking about what the situation might be if the Israelis weren't spying on the US?
The only reason I can see for not spying on the most powerful nation in the world is if you already know everything that you need to know already.

What were the motives for this post?
What are the motives of the people who responded to it?
What were the motives of the Fox News Channel running this report?
What are the motives of the newscaster who phsically presented this story on Fox?
What are the motives of the companies that bought commercial time from Fox during this broadcast?
What are the political motivations, if any, of the people who run the companies that bought this commercial time, therby funding the story presented on Fox?

Keep looking for the mask behind the mask and all answers will be given questions.

"Breathing is the beginning and ending of enlightenment" - Buddha

Yes, its no secret, israel has had more spies in this country than any other except the soviet union. Its the products of thier spy rings and what they are up to that bothers me, from white slave trades to exstacy selling and such.

Sure everyone spies on everyone. But when they US is sending 10 billion a year in aid to a country so they can wiretap us, run dope rings, ect, then it becomes a problem.

Israel an Ally?????!!!!!!!!!?!!!!?!? If thats what u consider a friend, then u need help.

The stupidity dripping off this thread is alarming.

First off don't claim to know jack about the intelligence community if your main source is FoxNews and some anonymous "US Official".
1) ALL COUNTRIES FRIENDLY OR OTHERWISE are spied on by the US. "Supposedly" the only exceptions are Canada, Australia, and the UK. I use the term supposedly for obvious reasons. So if it's ok for us to poke around their #, why wouldn't they want to do the same.
2) Comments from REAL officials have been made about warnings from the Mossad about 9/11 prior to it. It is clear to anyone who has any connection to this issue that OUR GOVERNMENT KNEW AS WELL, they just didn't know what. According to our intel it was supposed to be hijackings. In other words the worry was "where are they landing the planes and what do they want".
3) To the moron who discussed Israeli warnings to their people, and Israelis celebrating. You sir are a retard. You are in the UK. I am in Manhattan. Don't you dare tell me who was celebrating in the streets you pompous bastard. As an EMT on duty that day I was inches away, not oceans away. I saw people of all religions, and races screaming crying and running. You're simply a sick # with a vendetta.
4) Odigo is something central to the internet? I see you don't know jack about computers either.

I see now where the garbage emails start from about 4,000 jews staying home on 9/11 because they knew what was coming. Maybe since the Jews control all the money worldwide they put that bull# on the 20 dollar bill on there too?

Guns on the planes? Didn't hear that one. Boxcutters i believe. So that's news to me. For some reason you have a problem with believing that this was the work of Islamic Extremists themselves.

You claim that this operation would have to be financed by a country. How about a Saudi exile with many billions of dollars. NO IT WAS THE EVIL ISRAELIS NOT BIN LADEN. Is bin laden with jimmy hoffa guys?

The jewish blood libels went out of style a long time ago fellas. The reason your precious story wouldn't have been aired on fox? # maybe they found it not to be credible?

The main point of this thread. Everyone spies on everyone. If you believe otherwise you simply don't know anything about the industry.

[Edited on 5-27-2003 by Djarums]

The main point of this thread. Everyone spies on everyone. If you believe otherwise you simply don't know anything about the industry.

Not really...

There are many points raised in this thread. Like why has Fox News erased its report on the issue from its website?

I know you felt like a wee rant, but being rhetorical does not help anything apart from your ego.

god, everyone missing the point. Let me explain this in simpler terms so certain thick heads can absorp it a little better.

OF COURSE EVERYONE AND THIER #ING HAMSTER SPIES ON EVERYONE.DUH.......................THATS NOT THE GODDAMN ISSUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The issues are:

Israel exists in in its current state because the US spends billions on it. We get nothing in return, really. Thier military is top notch only because billions a year go to keep it top notch. WE do not give as much aid to Israel as we do other countries. Thus, Israel spying on us and doing naughty things within our borders points to an ally who is a little less than grateful.

The evidence and wake of Israeli activities is highly suspect in its fruits. Let us look at the two Mossad agents caught attempting to blow up the Mexican parliament a month or so after 9/11. Why blow up the Mexicans? And why were those agents returned to Israel with no incedent, instead of faceing charges? THEY TRIED BLOWING UP THE GODDAMN MEXICAN PARLIAMENT BUILDING, PEOPLE. THAT, IN MY BOOK, IS A ATTAMPTED TERROR ATTACK OR A PROVACATEUR.

Its pretty self evident, it dont take half a brain to see.

Unless you happen to be aware of the fact that the Mexican Parliament in general is notorious for being pro-Castro.


Could they have known something which pertained to US interests and could this act have been something which supported it?

Absolutely

oh.......PULEEZEEEEEEEEEEE...........

Right. Like the CIA wouldnt have done something like that first.

Oh, valiant Israel, looking out for Americas interests.



Inciting hostilities with its neighbor to the North is not a good way to do things.

Early 80s... a reactor... some israeli planes...

Sounds like Israel might have saved us a glowing problem a decade later. But no, i know... israel has never done anything for the us. only the other way around right skadi?

You're making the assumption they did not do it with the CIA's permission after all Mexico does share a border with the US.

The Mexican Parliament is Pro-Castro unlike the Administration its the only motivation a country like Israel would have for attacking them.

Well, besides the idea that Cuba had something to do with 9/11.

Its obvious from this thread that Israeli intelligence
services and US intelligence services work closely together.

As far as your inclination to beleive otherwise

I'd be well interested to see a link to that story about the Mossad agents. Cheers Skadi.