Decided it was time to buy an AK

See This thread here. Yugo ak47

I subscribed to it because there is some great info in here about all the different makes and models and how well they shoot and hold up.

I would suggest reading that thread before you run out and buy one.

A couple of general points. Northwolf - I'd love to try a Sako but they are illegal for importation into the US, the Arsenals are a Bulgarian AK manufactured in Nevada, the Nevada part means we can still buy them even if they have "dangerous" features like a bayonet lug (stupid but true). In the US, they are probably the best there is.

As for the usual intrusion on these threads by some Brit who wants to whine about how dangerous guns are and how safe the UK is because they banned them, I have 2 comments - firstly, this is the weaponry forum, we talk about weapons. Politics is second door on the left next to the toilet, the moderators may want to work on that one too - and secondly, I visited the UK just last month and if that's the kind of social decay that a gun ban buys you, I'll stick with AKs. The UK is just plain nasty, and violent as hell from what I saw and heard over there.

As for a picture of my new best friend, I have yet to figure out the image shack thing, so I'll borrow one from a non-copyrighted source (PS - mine is the middle one) the knowledgeable will note the milled receivers on all 3 models and the fact that the straighter mag on the top gun indicates a 5.45mm weapon as opposed to 7.62x39mm.



Enjoy !!

[edit on 3-12-2006 by Retseh]

Well, shooting is fun. Not to mention the fact that the weapons come in handy if your house is robbed or broken into.

are you saying you would happily shoot someone for stealing your TV or something? (protecting ur family i can understand btw) and what is so fun about pulling a trigger, not being able to see what comes out of the muzzle because it moves so damn quick, and then seeing a hole in whatever object you have just shot to pieces? where does the fun come into it? if i had ever shot a firearm i may well agree with you, but i haven't and i hope i never have to. My intention isn't to offend anyone or anything, i just dont see or understand where the "fun" comes from. What is it exactly about shooting that appeals to so many people?

As for the usual intrusion on these threads by some Brit who wants to whine about how dangerous guns are and how safe the UK is because they banned them

my intention isn't to whine or moan about anything, merely to understand what is so appealing. And yes ur right...the UK can be a dangerous place...but without guns, we get up close and personal and use the best tools available to us...fists! id much rather have a one on one with someone using my fists than to fire at them from say 250 mtrs

Originally posted by ParaNana

Well, shooting is fun. Not to mention the fact that the weapons come in handy if your house is robbed or broken into.

are you saying you would happily shoot someone for stealing your TV or something? (protecting ur family i can understand btw) and what is so fun about pulling a trigger, not being able to see what comes out of the muzzle because it moves so damn quick, and then seeing a hole in whatever object you have just shot to pieces? where does the fun come into it? if i had ever shot a firearm i may well agree with you, but i haven't and i hope i never have to. My intention isn't to offend anyone or anything, i just dont see or understand where the "fun" comes from. What is it exactly about shooting that appeals to so many people?

Really depends on where you live, but I'm sure it's the same... but where I'm from, the law states you'd be tried and convicted of murder for shooting someone breaking into your home just to steal a tv. Now, it all depends on your level of fear... if you are 100% afraid for your life (i.e. someone comes into your home with a gun) you can shoot, but if they are empty handed, the answer is no.

Originally posted by ParaNana

As for the usual intrusion on these threads by some Brit who wants to whine about how dangerous guns are and how safe the UK is because they banned them

my intention isn't to whine or moan about anything, merely to understand what is so appealing. And yes ur right...the UK can be a dangerous place...but without guns, we get up close and personal and use the best tools available to us...fists! id much rather have a one on one with someone using my fists than to fire at them from say 250 mtrs

That's very sporting of you, personally, if I'm attacked, my idea of Marquess of Queensbury rules involves a 124gr projectile moving at 2,400fps - it does wonders for an attackers sinuses. I don't just believe that violence begets violence, I fully intend to ensure that it does.

As for what is appealing - could you explain to someone the pleasure of drinking Bollinger or the taste of pan seared foie gras, or the sheer exuberance of driving a Maserati, no of course not. So how exactly can I convey the pleasure of knocking down steel gongs at 600 yards, or completing an el presidente drill in under 2 seconds, or just killing paper targets in the Sonoran Desert as the sun sets - it's impossible - because it's something that your government doesn't let you do, because it doesn't trust you - well you know what, our government does trust us and most of us like it that way.

Retseh
I assume there are still bre ban Sakos circulating in the USA, LMG and Rk-76 variants are good too.

Bts banning guns based on bayonet mounts and flash hiders is probably one of te silliest gun laws in the world. comparable to russian ban on guns that have sights for over 300m shooting

Originally posted by Retseh
As for the usual intrusion on these threads by some Brit who wants to whine about how dangerous guns are and how safe the UK is because they banned them, I have 2 comments - firstly, this is the weaponry forum, we talk about weapons. Politics is second door on the left next to the toilet, the moderators may want to work on that one too - and secondly, I visited the UK just last month and if that's the kind of social decay that a gun ban buys you, I'll stick with AKs. The UK is just plain nasty, and violent as hell from what I saw and heard over there.

no friggin kidding! I cant stand when a gun thread is derailed by brits/canucks that the US needs to ban guns, and yes, the UK is a rotting cesspool because of their own laws. Their own government actively engages in the genocide of its own populace through political correct BS and disarms them. Just lambs being led to slaughter.

On the one hand they claim the US isnt free, yet who are the ones that are able to bear arms? emmmm?

Originally posted by ParaNana

my intention isn't to whine or moan about anything, merely to understand what is so appealing. And yes ur right...the UK can be a dangerous place...but without guns, we get up close and personal and use the best tools available to us...fists! id much rather have a one on one with someone using my fists than to fire at them from say 250 mtrs

The appealing part of owning a gun comes from the skill necessary to control a weapon effectively in order to shoot a small target hundreds of yards in the distance. This takes a lot of control and practice to accomplish, which is why shooting is a sport.

Additionally, the appeal comes from the fact that I, unlike the British, can protect my family and property. Now, if someone breaks in and wants my TV, they can have it. If someone wants to harm my family, they are dead. In Alaska it is legal to kill someone entering your house, so most houses are safe, unlike in Britan where defending your property can be illegal.

My 19 year old daughter is enrolled in a self-defense course for women. So, unlike our British cousins, when someone thinks she would be a good choice for some perverted act, they will most likely die, which is far better than the alternative of having harm come to my daughter. Looks like appeal to me.

Plus, deer, rabbit, elk, and other critters taste, well, appealing.

Fists - LOL - I am sure you will win when a gang enters your home with baseball bats. Good luck!

Back to the point of this thread - that AK looks nice, but why AK? I am an AR-15 fan because I know that replacement parts are easy to obtain as long as there is a military (or police) presence. You may have to obtain them in a not-so-nice manner, but they are available. I wonder if AK parts will have the same availability. The same goes for AR vs. AK ammo.

As for the assault weapon ban - I am ordering a supply of 30 rd mags for my AR tomorrow, as well as a case of ammo.

The AK's do look like a pretty cool product. Unfortunately they are still banned by a state law in California. I'm pretty sure with events such as the BofA robbery in LA they're not going to lift the ban anytime soon.

Well being 17 and a NJ resident, Im planning on moving when I turn 18 hahaha. Honestly, I can't wait to get my gun license. Right now Im working on getting an Air Rifle. The Gamo Varmint Hunter

www.cabelas.com... t+hunter&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=varmint+hunter&noImage=0

Bottles, cans, pumpkins, etc. all good time to shoot. (yes I do have a use for this particular air rifle on a side note though).

Anyway, I will get my gun license ASAP, probably shop for a nice rifle. Use to be obssessed with the 30-06 but now Im just going to take my time and look around.

Originally posted by Retseh


As for the usual intrusion on these threads by some Brit who wants to whine about how dangerous guns are and how safe the UK is because they banned them, I have 2 comments - firstly, this is the weaponry forum, we talk about weapons. Politics is second door on the left next to the toilet, the moderators may want to work on that one too - and secondly, I visited the UK just last month and if that's the kind of social decay that a gun ban buys you, I'll stick with AKs. The UK is just plain nasty, and violent as hell from what I saw and heard over there.


[edit on 3-12-2006 by Retseh]

You've also had a post from a brit telling you they 'haven't banned guns' but you've either not bothered to read it / think that I'm wrong and you're correct

Why don't y'all do some fact-checking before y'all keep stating things that are just wrong??

Again for the hard of intellect - Guns are not banned in the UK

m'kay?

Originally posted by ParaNana
where does the fun come into it? if i had ever shot a firearm i may well agree with you, but i haven't and i hope i never have to. My intention isn't to offend anyone or anything, i just dont see or understand where the "fun" comes from. What is it exactly about shooting that appeals to so many people?

PN - shooting is good fun and many Brits enjoy shooting on a weekly basis (even in Norfolk). Just because we shoot doesn't mean we're sitting tooled up in the hall waiting to 'off' burglars - it's much more about the challenge, the control required and the search for precision. Secure storage is one of the requirements for firearm ownership in the UK so we don't view them as 'self-defence' provision in the same way as our US cousins.

Get yourself to a local club and have a go, you never know you may enjoy it!

Anyone with a weapon makes royalty(elitists) nervous. If you can effectively resist us, how can we effectively oppress and exploit you for our benefit and advantage? Hi, I'm from the gov't and I'm here to help you.

Well in the uk someone could come into your house with a bow and arrow and kill you just as easily if with a gun.

Originally posted by catalepsy305
Well in the uk someone could come into your house with a bow and arrow and kill you just as easily if with a gun.

Lol I wouldn't say just as easily, but I can see your point.

All in all gun laws don't stop gun violence, just honest law abiding people from getting guns. If the criminals are the ones you want to get guns away from, laws won't help much.

Originally posted by JackJuice
I also will soon be in the market for an AK47 saving my money up as we speak.

Also don't get the bolt action barret when the semi automatic would be so much more fun.

I used that weapon a few months ago. Sargent didn't tell me what it was going to feel like when I fired but there was only a little pain. It's not the kick, that's not bad but something else, don't know what it's called.

You don't even really have to hit the target for it to go down, just get close

I love my toys

Any comments on a 9mm Calico Carbine w/100 round magazine?

See it here!

I went shooting today for the first time in about a month. I have been to busy to enjoy it as I would like. I took three different rifles.

One poster aptly stated my belief though I will add to their statement and the statements of others.

I never want to shoot anyone....ever. I am prepared however to do so.
The bulk of my shooting is for pleasure and dicipline. It is a skill just like bowling or fishing or any other task requiring dicipline of mind and muscle. In addition to shooting I have added the dicipline of reloading my own ammunition.
Many Americans here also shoot because they also hunt. Some for sport hunting and others shoot for putting meat on the table and in their freezer.

To add further to the statements of others concerning property. In America we have here a concept of property different from many nations. However by judicial precident they attempting as in other socialist nations to change our property status. In otherwords to make us subjects as in the UK.

Our status of property here is called "Private Property." It is not called public property. What is excluded by flawed thinking in many of these speechs on guns is the concept of Private Property.

What is also missing from many of these talks especially by those in the UK, though with public education this concept is begining to be missing here in America, is the concept that many of us work in Hazardous occupations for our moneys with which we purchase our "Private Property." We do not intend to make ourselves disposable and expendable in order to purchase the same private property over and over again...when it is taken by others. THere is something very immoral and perverted about a government which does not take this into consideration when making their peoples subject. We are not a subject here of the body politic though they are trying very hard to make us this way through public education. Remember who pays for public education...the body politic. They will not teach you anything which will protect you first ..but only the body politic first. You dont need to go to college to figure this out.

I have had several peoples from the UK ask me the rediculous question...

"If guns were banned wouldnt it be more likely that a burglar entering your house would also be unarmed?"

This question is a political placebo only possible by people who are educated in public schools....ie ...dumbed down sufficiently by the body politic paying for their programming..ie..public education.

THe American Question is "What is that dummy doing in my house without my permission or blessing...period...no wiggle room.??

This is the difference in Americans and those in the UK.

Our publically educated politicians are working night and day to substitute the UK position for our American position by default. It must be by default ..it will never work on a public vote. This is obvious by many of the posts here in this room and other rooms. Our media are continually deceiving us on this situation.

I am aware of the political situation and the crime situation in the UK and also in Australia. Not impressed.

We are Americans here. We are not intrested in becoming a Subject.
We are proud to be Yanks.

There is also something very immoral and questionable about a government who will arm and train you to fight on thier behalf but not allow you to own a firearm when your enlistment is over. Very strange conduct for a government.
Owning a firearm where you must keep it locked up at the club is not ownership..it is censorship...regulation. But that is in your country...no problem. Rights are very different from privileges.

Find a media outlet or public education institution which will even speak of the concepts presented here. You wont find one. They will avoid it like the plague. Even those guys who are supposed to be looking out for you!!

As to the Ak purchase and the rationale..for purchasing ..I agree..the ban will return in due time. Stock up as soon as possible. Also ..if possible pay cash and break the paper trail...for everything.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Originally posted by Styki

Originally posted by JackJuice

I used that weapon a few months ago. Sargent didn't tell me what it was going to feel like when I fired but there was only a little pain. It's not the kick, that's not bad but something else, don't know what it's called.

You don't even really have to hit the target for it to go down, just get close

I love my toys

Your lucky, ive been wanting to shoot one for some time. I would include one of these in my ideal arsenal. This including a cache AK47's a couple FN P90's and two M60's and some mortars, some C4 incase i run into any pesky tree stumps and then i'd be a happy camper. Hell i'd be prepared for any situation haha Oh I almost forgot I want a cache of claymores!