New American Currency?

Originally posted by BitRaiser

Under a World Government, Corporations could be regulated on a global scale. This would rob them of most of their current power.

Why would they want that?

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You got my first vote ever for that one

You put your finger right on it. It ony makes me feel more than it is urgent to unite as much territory as we can

Since we can't of course unite all at once, it must be done progressively

Actually, I think a common money would be a good start
I don't particularly like a union with the United States actually, and would way prefer a reunited British Empire but you've got to do with what you have

It's a hypothetical currency.

I don't know if you guys remember the history of the Euro, but it didn't just show up one day. There were a lot of talks about it, and not all of Europe signed on to the treaty.
en.wikipedia.org...

There's some huge obstacles to getting it accepted:
en.wikipedia.org...

Soooooo... basically it's just the WND getting terribly excited for no reason about a remark made by a stock broker... not a nation's economist or financial director and running around and turning it into a big noise.

When looking at a news story, we need to look at the source and decide if it's some person running off their mouth (who can't actually direct or shape policy) or if it's someone who might have some real influence. If it's someone yapping off hot air, then we should not give them a lot of credibility.

At this point I'm not sure I'd take a stock recommendation from the dude.

But even if the source is doubtful, shouldn't we still actively discuss about the idea?

Just the sources... worldnetdaily, I've been here for what... 3 or 4 days and I already know that's utter crap, and we still discuss it

It's not about money anymore, corporations leaders have enough money. It's not about money, it's about POWER. HUGE POWER. They want to kill 90% of the population to keep the US standart of living and enslave with technology the other 10%. Do you really want that? And also, getting rid of your constitution and borders is being a traitor to this same constitution.

I'm a constitutionalist and if anyone want to wipe it, you'll have to kill me. Hell the constitution gave us our rights, our home and our lives. The founding fathers gave their lives to achieve it, we have responsabilities towards them, but rejecting it only shows the unresponsabilities of the young generation.

[edit on 3-12-2006 by Vitchilo]

How would that save the american standard of living?

They need those chinese after all...

But why haven't the European union lost their rights and their 90% already?

How would that save the american standard of living?

Less people, less resources and no need to share water and cultivable lands.

They need those chinese after all...

They already have them, the last 10% will become the new chineses.

But why haven't the European union lost their rights and their 90% already?

The countries of the European Union are losing their rights everyday, in France, in Britain, in Belgium, in Germany, ect... just like in the USA.

The 90% of the world they want to wipe out is:

USA:300 millions
Canada:32 millions
Mexico:107 millions
European Union:462 millions
Occidental world population:902millions

10% of world population in 2012: 700 millions
So with the current downtrend of population, birth control, womens on the work market, ect.., of the occidental world they could achieve their goal.

This makes no sense.

US, Canada and Mexico economies are already closely-linked so where's the benefit? Don't you already have NAFTA?

Adding Canada and Mexico's currency to the Dollar won't stop the Dollar's decline / the rise of the Euro.

Personally I loved Canada (even the French bit!) for its non-Americanness/Europeanness, if it becomes just another part of a larger US it'll lose its identity.

Maybe Canada could run the whole thing? at least you'd all end-up with a better head of state

There are SO MANY arguments that totally REFUTE a possible NAU here.

However, I think I have an argument that will overturn everything that has ever been said here.

The Asian Currency Unit

In recent news, Japan China and S. Korea haev been discussing a possible Asian Currency Unit. I don't know how far down the line this is (didn't the EU take about 50 years of discussing and compromise before it actually began?) HOWEVER, if those 3 nations were to band together to form a union, the United States WOULD HAVE to form it's own N. American Union to counteract both the EU and a strong ASEAN.. am I right?

[edit on 3-12-2006 by k4rupt]

I'd much rather go with the euro, they have a standard of social policy and services that must be met in order to become part of the union: Rather than cannibalising taxes for the subsidy of private profits.

Alas, we are already much closer to the vast wasteland of ignorant trickle down class chauvism, much like the Eastern European countries that fail to meet euro standards of treatment of their underclass, than we are to Norway's 1st class standard of living, according to UN standards.

So the amero, I suspect it will be.

All hail Ford.

HOWEVER, if those 3 nations were to band together to form a union, the United States WOULD HAVE to form it's own N. American Union to counteract both the EU and a strong ASEAN.. am I right?

I don't think so. The merge of our economies with the Mexican economy will nullify everything, unless we pay to modernize Mexico and stop the corruption there.

yep. It's going to happen. One Border policy, one security policy and most likely one government for all North America.

The Amero isn't new. It's been talked about here in Canada since at lesat 1996. Thats the first time I remember economist Paul Martin talk about it.

We know it's going to happen. It's only a matter of time.

Originally posted by Vitchilo


The 90% of the world they want to wipe out is:

USA:300 millions
Canada:32 millions
Mexico:107 millions
European Union:462 millions
Occidental world population:902millions

10% of world population in 2012: 700 millions
So with the current downtrend of population, birth control, womens on the work market, ect.., of the occidental world they could achieve their goal.

Vitchilo please explain to us how you know all this? It would be much appreciated

Originally posted by Strangerous

Adding Canada and Mexico's currency to the Dollar won't stop the Dollar's decline / the rise of the Euro.

They are talking about a new dollar called the Amero. And that currency would rical the Euro. If the dollar became Canada's and Mexico's currency that too may rival the Euro, The NAU would have the highest GDP of all the unions, and North America is resource rich (Canada and Mexico have oil and minerals, the United States has water and coal). Not to mention the powerful military and technological block of the US.

Not that I would ever want to be joined with Mexico.

Personally I loved Canada (even the French bit!) for its non-Americanness/Europeanness, if it becomes just another part of a larger US it'll lose its identity.

What do you mean? Canada is very Americanized.

Maybe Canada could run the whole thing? at least you'd all end-up with a better head of state

Maybe but I doubt it.

Clearly, the United States is not moving towards a NAU. An extremely important aspect of a joint currency is that you need to have free mobility of labour between member countries. This is one example of what the Euro zone needed to do before implementing the Euro. With the amount of fuss the American government and population is making over all the illegal Mexican immigrants coming into the country, an optimal currency zone between Mexico, the United States, and Canada seems unlikely at present.

As for an optimal currency zone between Canada and the United States, the two countries' economies are already very closely linked. I guess that this could work if the Americans could bring their inflation in line with Canadians.

The problem for Canada is that 85% of Canadian exports head to the United States. The Canadian manufacturing sector loves having an exchange rate below the American dollar because that means Americans can buy more Canadian goods. If America and Canada shared a currency this advantage would be lost.

With the amount of fuss the American government and population is making over all the illegal Mexican immigrants coming into the country, an optimal currency zone between Mexico, the United States, and Canada seems unlikely at present.

The population? Yes. The government? Not at all.

So you'll say the fence. I'll say that the bill allowed a fence being built, but didn't allowed the funds for it. So basicly, no fence, it was only an election stunt, it didn't worked.

Then you'll say there's the border patrol, but that's a pure joke. The real world is that banks give free loans and free credit to illegals you know why? Because doing otherwise would be racist. Hell, it's not being racist, it's being applying the law! Illegals are not called illegals for nothing!

Then another sign of the NAU is the NAU highway and of course, the NAU business numbers instead of US, Canada or Mexico corporations registration numbers, the corporations started to received all around north america.

NAU is being built under our eyes, and we must not allow it.

[edit on 4-12-2006 by Vitchilo]

Originally posted by Vitchilo

FLQ did bombings, bank raids, 2 kidnappings, wich one of them ended in murder
Of course it wasnt hezbollah, chechnia or something like that

I didn't know they did bank raids... anyway. Not big deal

AND they caused Martial Law to be instaured on the province of Quebec

It's not because of them, it's because the federal abused their power.

Hum yeah? I didnt say it was A TERRORIST STATE, I say they had their terrorist group, their insurrection at Saint Denis

Insurrection? How many people? 100? 200? Of course when people are drunk and they are nationalists, they can get hungry to beat english people.

If you think the FLQ was not much of a terrorist organization maybe you should do a little research on them. Here is a lovely link to start you off FLQ on the MIPT Terrorism Knowledge Base

Enjoy the reading and after you're done, think before you say something else stupid!

Very fascinating thread, however, I've noticed that there's quite a misconception on the relevance of Mexico. One suggested that Mexico is only good for cheap ''slave labour'', but believe me, Mexico offers much more than that. Environment laws are very strict in Europe compared to the US, but the Mexican environment laws are very compliant, which is from a business ethical perspective very beneficial for many US, Canadian, and other MNCs.

However, much more important is the geographical position of Mexico. One of America's biggest fears seems to has become reality: A left-populist Latin America



I updated the map and the pattern shows clearly that socialism conquers Latin America. Red dots are countries where leftist regimes came into power recently.

Not too bad you'd say, but if you think out the box and imagine a possible scenario that could happen in the future: a war between China and the US. I don't think Chavez would chose the US side (he's been re-elected the other day). A leftist regime taking power in Mexico could easily happen in case Mexico is excluded from further participation.

Another factor you should bear in mind is the biggest advantage of the European Union peace. I at least don't expect to still be alive when one European country would try to invade another one. It's simple impossible due to strict regulation and observation, economic dependency, and a lack of power. No European country would be able to fight the remaining European countries in its entireness. Imagine Texas declaring war on the US... doesn't sound very plausible. I'd prefer my southern neighbor to be an ally should united Latin America go at war with the US. Never think it is impossible.

Last, the trade factor, most of you seem to have the assumption that the US and Canada are in a one way beneficial to the US, but have a look at the figures:


mexico.usembassy.gov...

What I personally find interesting is what will happen now. Many people are aware that the Dollar will collapse. When exactly is a question no one can answer, but a timeframe between now and five years is likely. A timeframe which would be to short for implementing a whole new currency in my opinion. I wouldn't be surprised if they will let the Dollar collapse and make a whole new start.




[edit on 4-12-2006 by Mdv2]

If you think the FLQ was not much of a terrorist organization maybe you should do a little research on them. Here is a lovely link to start you off FLQ on the MIPT Terrorism Knowledge Base

So what? They kidnapped someone and robbed a few banks. They were only a dozen. This is pure hype to call them a terrorist organisation when drug mafia are much more rich, powerful, spread, kills, rape and steal money everyday.

You have to relativise, always relativise.

The Euro was an electronic-only currency for three years before they printed it up. I predict that the same move will be used in the US/CAN/MEX. The Amero will be used only for trade between the three countries for a few years. Then we will get a sh*t load of coins with pictures of famous mexicans to spend!

Have you seen the Euros? They have 1,2,5,10 and 20 cents coins! Imagine a pocket full of 1 AND 2 cent coins! Are these people crazy??

Eventually almost all transactions will be electronic so they can control what we buy. Like giving electronic food stamps so people cant sell the stamps for money, then mexican drugs or whatever; which is happening now. Soon you wont be able to buy more than an allowed number of cigarette cartons, bottles of beer, bullets, fatty foods, etc.

people, if you like it or not, the North American Union is coming ... face it ... it has been planned years ago ... the average american i getting dumber every minut!