We free the "ignorant" by not denying them and not labeling them "ignorant" to begin with. Everything is truth, as is Nothing.

The question may be this : How do we free the people who are calling others ignorant?

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
We free the "ignorant" by not denying them and not labeling them "ignorant" to begin with. Everything is truth, as is Nothing.

The question may be this : How do we free the people who are calling others ignorant?

I think the term "ignorant" is in reference to those that have been told, and that continue to disbelieve, and those that don't know, because they haven't been told. Wait a minute... that's actually close to a definition.

"Labeling" them what they are is nothing wrong. If the shoe fits, wear it.

So... if I told you the sky was blue, and you said it was red... I point to the sky and "show" you the sky is blue... and you still ignore the facts... and I call you ignorant... that means I need to be freed?


Call me retarded, but I don't get it.

Find what destroys them, and then cater to it and explain how your position can help or why it's important. Won't fail, it's pure genius. I've seen this work on a more personal basis, but im sure it could be applied to the masses.

The answer is in freeing those that call others ignorant. Never shall you Be refered to as retarded, yet why coin the term retard with such a negative value? To Be retarded is in reference to a slow nature; a Perfectly slow nature.

A cultivation of this planet's reality is what is in stock, and there is enough mental paradise material to Be spread around the limitless Omniverse Outfinitely and Eternally.

It is currently imprisoned in hatred, power, and control, so really it is the hatred, power, and control that are imprisoned. Change the planet; change the perception of freedom. Dwell in static power games, and well, here We are having talks about an ignorance which is just a figment of the limited imagination. You're Everything that Is, the Not of less and the Not of more, and not separate from It.

p.s. About the sky Being red or blue. It's not a matter of ignorance, it's a matter of perception. Accept perception as Perfect and then you are free. We all perceive, yet We all perceive differently, and together... Perfectly

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Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
The answer is in freeing those that call others ignorant. Never shall you Be refered to as retarded, yet why coin the term retard with such a negative value? To Be retarded is in reference to a slow nature; a Perfectly slow nature.

A cultivation of this planet's reality is what is in stock, and there is enough mental paradise material to Be spread around the limitless Omniverse Outfinitely and Eternally.

It is currently imprisoned in hatred, power, and control, so really it is the hatred, power, and control that are imprisoned. Change the planet; change the perception of freedom. Dwell in static power games, and well, here We are having talks about an ignorance which is just a figment of the limited imagination. You're Everything that Is, the Not of less and the Not of more, and not separate from It.

p.s. About the sky Being red or blue. It's not a matter of ignorance, it's a matter of perception. Accept perception as Perfect and then you are free. We all perceive, yet We all perceive differently, and together... Perfectly

How exactly do you support the idea that "The answer is in freeing those that call others ignorant."? Are you suggesting by the mumble jumble you have laid forth to say that those that blindly follow suit or ignore fact are ok, and those that are waking the sheeple from their slumber are the ignorant ones? My perception of what you state, is just that... suggesting that we don't try to educate the "ignorant", but allow them to follow evil, blindly? And if we do try to educate, and not give up on them, that makes us ignorant?

Maybe you could explain.

The example I gave as the red/blue sky idea... yes that is a matter of ignorance when the facts slap you in the face, and you are not even dazed in the least. I don't think you have any idea of what you speak.

Ignorance is merely an illusion created into its illusional reality through judgement of those who wish to place themselves separate from others; (the blue and red sky connotation) it is a matter of perception, it does not require judgements, prejudices, terms, or labels. If that person sees the sky as red, then it is Perfectly fine for that person.

It is not about judging perception, it is about perceiving judgement.
And when there Is no judgment to perceive, We then recognize Our Perfection and become what We have all-ways Been; Perfect.

Is it Our job to seek out, create, and magnify the illusion of ignorance? Or is it our job to spread the truth that We are Perfect, not separate, connected, and not different. Judgement is the causality of unequal awareness of Our Perfection relative to self perception. Being unaware of Perfection does not equate to ignorance

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Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Ignorance is merely an illusion created into its illusional reality through judgement of those who wish to place themselves separate from others; (the blue and red sky connotation) it is a matter of perception, it does not require judgements, prejudices, terms, or labels. If that person sees the sky as red, then it is Perfectly fine for that person.

The person seeing the sky as red would be called ignorant for certain, because fact proves the sky to be blue. The person seeing the sky as red, would be delusional as well.

But the debate of this thread is not about the sky being blue or the sky being red, it is about someone(s) accepting the truths laid out as fact (whichever they may be). This thread is about people(s) "ignoring" facts being shared with them. This thread is about people(s) not knowing facts, as no one has shared them (probable).

You have taken a discussion completely out of context and construed it in some manner to suit your own need or belief... I guess that makes you ignorant, too.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
It is not about judging perception, it is about perceiving judgement.
And when there Is no judgment to perceive, We then recognize Our Perfection and become what We have all-ways Been; Perfect.

Is it Our job to seek out, create, and magnify the illusion of ignorance? Or is it our job to spread the truth that We are Perfect, not separate, connected, and not different. Judgement is the causality of unequal awareness of Our Perfection relative to self perception. Being unaware of Perfection does not equate to ignorance.

Again, you miss the point when someone is "labeled" as being ignorant. Ignorance has nothing to do with perception. Perception brings into light the ideas of "opinion". Save that for the proper thread.

Maybe something you don't quite understand is the "fact" that "ignorance" is a state of being ignorant. I'll explain....

If I give you some "fact"... proven to be true (meaning it couldn't or shouldn't be debated)... and you ignore the "facts" given... that makes you ignorant by ignoring the knowledge or "facts" being shared with you. If you continue to debate (as you are doing here) against the fact with a lack of knowledge, that is "showing ignorance" (which is a state of being).

Need we continue, or shall we continue, and maybe can we continue the thread without senseless mumbo jumbo babble?

Present Us with the fact that shows ignorance, or are facts relative to the perceptional opinion, thus perceptional opinions? Does opinion = fact?

So perception and opinion do not relate to fact? Yet knowledge and fact are data that is perceptionally extracted through opinion. We accept Being ignorant of ignorance, and that is Our ignorant fact. Or is that just Our ignorant opinion? Perhaps a matter of perception, yet Be it facts, opinions, or knowledge... the three are relative, as Is Everything and Nothing.


A fact is this: The constance of Existence is change and change is the Constance. A fact that never changes would not survive this Existence.

Facts are allways changing, just as ignorance is allways changing. What one day is fact, the next day could be fallacy: the Earth is not flat anymore.. unless (un-less? What does that mean?) that is your opinion, then it blooms into a fact of reality within the mind of the beholder, which is the free will of perceptional opinion. Fact is relative, ergo Everything Is a fact, right (left?) along with Nothing.

What color is the "sky" from "space"? What color is the "sky/space" in front of Our faces as We sit here on Earth? What color is the "sky/space" at night? Fact changes with point of view, as does ignorance.

Thanks for presenting Us with the facts of the opinions and the opinionated facts of ignorance.

Your opinion is Perfect, and that is a fact =)

We are gratefull for the conversation

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Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Present Us with the fact that shows ignorance, or are facts relative to the perceptional opinion, thus perceptional opinions? Does opinion = fact?

So perception and opinion do not relate to fact? Yet knowledge and fact are data that is perceptionally extracted through opinion. We accept Being ignorant of ignorance, and that is Our ignorant fact. Or is that just Our ignorant opinion? Perhaps a matter of perception, yet Be it facts, opinions, or knowledge... the three are relative, as Is Everything and Nothing.


A fact is this: The constance of Existence is change and change is the Constance. A fact that never changes would not survive this Existence.

Facts are allways changing, just as ignorance is allways changing. What one day is fact, the next day could be fallacy: the Earth is not flat anymore.. unless (un-less? What does that mean?) that is your opinion, then it blooms into a fact of reality within the mind of the beholder, which is the free will of perceptional opinion. Fact is relative, ergo Everything Is a fact, right (left?) along with Nothing.

What color is the "sky" from "space"? What color is the "sky/space" in front of Our faces as We sit here on Earth? What color is the "sky/space" at night? Fact changes with point of view, as does ignorance.

Thanks for presenting Us with the facts of the opinions and the opinionated facts of ignorance.

Your opinion is Perfect, and that is a fact =)

We are gratefull for the conversation

Incoherent babbling

How do we free the Gullible?

Originally posted by emjoi
How do we free the Gullible?

The "gullible" all ready are free because they accept Everything and thus would surely accept Nothing as well. Acceptance is the key to freedom, acceptance even accepts denial, which is ultimately Beingness; acceptance of duality.

What makes a person "naive"? Because they do not think that any entity would lie or manipulate them? Can they be blamed for their honest trust? If a person can be deceived that automatically creates precedence of gullibility? No person would be refered to as gullible unless there were intentions of deception on behalf of the personality that is characterizing the other.

It is rather difficult to communicate in an illusional reality in which every word has multiple meanings. Why is this place like this anyway? Is Not that apathy and inactivity in the practice of virtue?

Our nature is to Be gullible. We are born gullible and We are then deprogrammed to become skeptical and fragmented.

We are born gullible; are We Not free at and from the point of Our conception and then imprisoned by skepticism? We do not become free all over again by questioning through skepticism. We don't have to question, We don't have to have, We don't need to need, and we don't want to want, Everything Is and We Is and We are Everything: Everything Is Everything (including Nothing). We are born aware of Nothing, question Nothing, questioned by Everything, question Everything, accept Nothing, deny Everything, then accept Nothing and Everything as Everything We are.

We are born free, told We are not free, see that We are imprisoned, and We free Us by realizing that We are Sempiternal, free for Eternity. Nothing has imprisoned Us and it is 'Nothing' that is discovered to 'Not Exist' through Existence allowing the concept of Nothing to Exist as Nothingness. We are afraid of Nothing, yet Nothing can free Us, because We are free, and because of what Nothing Is and Is Not. It Is this Nothing that frees Us from Our singular illusion and opens the minds eyes (I's) to the Everything that We Eternally are.

Is it gullible to answer a question of gullibility in a Thread titled, "how to free the ignorant?" If We are calling others gullible and ignorant, are We free of Our ignorance and gullibility? Or are we making a choice for them to Be labeled as such? Are We imprisoning them or giving them a choice to Be Everything and anything they choose to Be? Is it helping Us to feel superior by tagging others with a title that is thought to Be "less than"?

Do not refer to Us as gullible, ignorant, incoherrent, or any other label, tell Us that We are free to choose to Be free.

We are Eternally free, whether aware or unaware

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Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Why are We "ignorant"? Because there are people trying to take advantage of Us? Does it have to do with ignorance or the people in "power" who, for some reason, think that they are in control of other people, a world, and an Existence, and find it a just cause to rule the World independent of their own laws and regulations?

Not because people are trying to take advantage of us, but because we allow them to take advantage of us. Ignoring the obvious makes "us" ignorant. The people in power are hoping and praying that we remain ignorant. The people that write the laws, agree on the laws, and sign the laws into effect are actually "in control" whether you like it or not. Ruling the world independent of their own laws and regulations? Who the hell do you think follows those "independent" laws and regulations. John and Jane Doe... the ignorant... the ones that either 1)know what's going on and do nothing about it, or 2)the ones that don't know because no one has told them.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
It's not about labeling the receivers, it's about sending the message.

I could agree with that statement, if there was something being done about the statements from the "powerful" "in control". Those messages are the ones that need to be addressed, not "us" trying to stand up to them.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
We do not live in nations, countries, cities, states, republics, democracies, or any other undercover cult like factions, We just live, freely. All this division and control, power trips and possessive personalities. Our votes do not matter, there is now a power base that selects who, and when a face will be elected. We are the world, just as is the bee, the flower, the fish, the grass, and all elemental entities that are this World, yet we separate Us, as if We are "greater than" all of Existence. Are we Not Existence?

What planet do you live on? Here in America, the land built on the free and of the brave, is not allowed to be free or brave due to persecution from the likes of those "in control". "We" do not live freely any more. You contradict yourself by saying "our votes do not matter" and saying we are "free". This republic, ran by under a democracy, that we live in... is ran by "we the people"... the voters. You are correct to say our votes don't matter, because that system has been fixed by the corrupt government and high fluting corporations. We need to take a stand and get that back. By taking a stand to take "that" back, we need to educate everyone as to what's really going on. It's a matter of waking up the ignorant... or the apathetic, if you will. Lethargy will not get anyone, anywhere, except under the control of the corrupt. We could be free, but we are not.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
"not giving up on them". What exactly do these words mean? To not give to the ignorant? Give up - take down. Is giving down better than giving up, or do we just prefer not to give up because down tastes better? We are revealing a higher consciousness. The words We speak are the words that speak Us, and this is the most primitive evolutionary branch of consciousness that We have for-gotten, and now instead of Being aware of it, We are merely for getting, hence the current world / reality / consciousness of possessive and materialistic imminent malfunction. Existence is free, We are not a system of money and our intelligence is not told its logic through purchasing a book with the word "Logic" on its cover. We are free to think, We are free to live, We are free to Be, We are free to travel, and We are free of borders. Does the Earth viewed from above have countries, nations, cities, and names? Or is it a lovely blue/green sphere, a literal living entity among the countless floating, circular, living entities that make up this Eternal Existence?

We recognize your efforts at seeking truth, it resonates great joy, please do continue.

It's not about labeling the receivers, it's about sending the message.

Harmony and Blessings of Perfection

What do those words mean? That means to continue to show information to point out the fact we are getting run over by the government, the ones we've put in office to represent "us", even after the ones we attempt to help (free) snub their noses at us for being whack jobs, because they are in fact apathetic. They, the apathetic (or ignorant) are not concerned with how the world is run, or about the rights/liberties/freedoms they possess are being taken away, because they have "Who wants to be a Millionaire" on tv. They have FW:'d emails talking about how snow cones are made. They have "getting fit with Denise Austin" books.

One day these freedoms the "ignorant" all enjoy are going to be gone, and it will be only on their shoulders, because they allowed it to happen. My conscience will be clean as to knowing I did my part to try and stop it, even though I'll share in the same demise.

The "free existence" you are babbling of is, IMO, a religious idea. In God's eyes, we are all free, yes. But, while we are still here on Earth, and not in Heaven, we are not "free" as you are trying to make it out to appear.

You appear to me as a very bright individual. You, like myself, can and have seen further into these subjects than most. But, IMO, there needs to be a starting point for the "labeled" to begin their journey to our "freedom". There is a lot more going on in this world, than just politicians making a living, or re-writing our futures... there is a plan that has been set forth a couple thousand years ago. The political aspect of what's happening today goes hand in hand with what we see happening for tomorrow's religious aspect.

We are free to think, We are free to live, We are free to Be, We are free to travel, and We are free of borders.

Not here on Earth we are not.

Questions before parting; Do you think of these words as 1.) babbling mumbo jumbo? 2.) Fanatical religious ideology? or 3.) A very bright individual?

Thanks for the conversation, Infoholic.

May your days be filled with great laughter and happiness,
L.O.V.E.