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SECRET courts imposing draconian Islamic justice are operating across Britain.
Last night politicians and religious leaders expressed outrage that sharia law is gaining an increasing foothold in our society.
The hardline Islamic law allows people to be stoned to death, beheaded or have their limbs amputated
Youth worker Aydarus Yusuf, 29, told how he helped convene an unofficial court which uses Somalian law
He insisted he is more bound by the law of his country of birth than British justice, adding: “Somalis, wherever we live in the world, have our own law.”
“The Government has not been straight about this. It has it’s own sharia advisers and it has already introduced measures that are compliant with sharia law.
Four out of 10 British Muslims want sharia law introduced into parts of the country, a survey reveals today.
The ICM opinion poll also indicates that a fifth have sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers who attacked London last July 7, killing 52 people, although 99 per cent thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity.
Overall, the findings depict a Muslim community becoming more radical and feeling more alienated from mainstream society, even though 91 per cent still say they feel loyal to Britain.
In Ontario, Canada, for instance, sharia law is allowed to be applied in civil disputes between Muslims, provided all the parties agree. What's wrong with that?
My objections are twofold. Even accepting that some sharia laws are benevolent, there is so much that is fundamentally unacceptable - especially regarding the status of women - and cannot easily be divorced from the good bits.
Islamic clerics do not believe in a society in which Islam is one religion among others in a society ruled by basically non-religious laws. They believe it must be the dominant religion - and it is their aim to achieve this.
That is why they do not believe in integration. In 1980, the Islamic Council of Europe laid out their strategy for the future - and the fundamental rule was never dilute your presence. That is to say, do not integrate.
Rather, concentrate Muslim presence in a particular area until you are a majority in that area, so that the institutions of the local community come to reflect Islamic structures. The education system will be Islamic, the shops will serve only halal food, there will be no advertisements showing naked or semi-naked women, and so on.
That is why you are seeing areas which are now almost totally Muslim. The next step will be pushing the Government to recognise sharia law for Muslim communities - which will be backed up by the claim that it is "racist" or "Islamophobic" or "violating the rights of Muslims" to deny them sharia law.
There's already a Sharia Law Council for the UK. The Government has already started making concessions: it has changed the law so that there are sharia-compliant mortgages and sharia pensions.
Some Muslims are now pressing to be allowed four wives: they say it is part of their religion. They claim that not being allowed four wives is a denial of their religious liberty. There are Muslim men in Britain who marry and divorce three women, then marry a fourth time - and stay married, in sharia law, to all four.
The following correction was added to the Guardian Unlimited website on February 20 2006, and printed in the Guardian's Corrections and clarifications column on February 21.
In the column below we said that in Ontario, Canada, sharia law was allowed to be applied in civil disputes between Muslims, provided all the parties agreed. That is not the case and a move in that direction in 2004 was dropped.
Originally posted by Britguy
Old saying - when in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Same should be true here. Anyone wishing to reside within the UK must abide by the laws of the land. Those laws apply to ALL residents, no matter what ethnic or religious belief is personally held.
Any immigrant found breaching those rules or practicing alternative laws based on religion or ethnic background should immediately be repatriated to their home nation, no appeal and no opportunity to return. Any British resident doing the same should be jailed if their actions breach the laws of the land. Simple really and should not even be a matter for discussion.
Originally posted by The Director
There seems to be a undercurrent in England (note, England not Britain) of people – like myself – who have become quite nationalistic. More and more people are becoming very dissatisfied with the way in which British culture and society gets trodden on by those who are so eager not to offend the minorities. The English are also annoyed that people in Scotland get on average £1,500 more spent per person on services. A good example is that there are drugs available on the NHS in Scotland that England can’t afford. Also, Scottish MP’s can also vote on matters in London on decisions that effect everywhere except Scotland. A lot of people are also seeing that our friendship with the US is rather one sided. This has led to a rise in popularity of the British National Party which is very right wing as well as the (much less right wing) United Kingdom Independence Party.
In short, the English (I don’t know about the Welsh) are fed up of having their culture trodden over, pockets picked by Gordon Brown and having less money spent on services. Problem is there are only a few who are willing to stand up and speak out.
I'm a Welshy and I'm behind you 100% (not in the biblical sense). I think the UK is a seriously f**ked up place to be living in right now. We are constantly being watched, to the point where I can't go anywhere without seeing a camera pointed at me.
We as UK citizens are being trodden all over by our government. And with immigration law being practically non-existant, anyone is free to stroll in a start reaping the benefits.
Imagine if Turkey became an EU member?! A mostly Muslim population! Where would they come? The UK - look what happened when Poland and the Eastern block countries got in.
We are only a few months (years at the most) away from a mass influx of Muslims - who will demand their own rights.
This sharia law is an absolute farse, and the only reason why it is slowly being allowed is because anyone who speaks against the islam faith and muslims is instantly tagged as a racist.
We are white, british, and screwed.
Go BNP all the way.
Originally posted by rich23
TimelessTest - great post!
Thanks for cutting right to the heart of the matter. Of course Sharia should not supplant British Law, but (where there's no conflict) it could supplement it. Using Sharia rules in informal negotiations, where both parties consent, is little different from using arbitration rather than the courts. We already have laws that govern things like stoning. Anyone who tries that little number is likely to be charged with (at the very least) causing Actual Bodily Harm, and Sharia will not be allowed as a defence or even a plea in mitigation.