Originally posted by Sun Matrix
I'm not sure the problem here. We know the season that the Rapture will occur but we don't know the year. The signs will tell us when it will
occur.
Unfortunately the rapture does not exist in the Bible. It is a man-made concept that was started with the re-birth of futurism. According to both
Post-Rapture Futurists and Historicists, the Church and Christians in general are here right up until the end and some will go through a new period of
persecution for refusing to receive the National ID system.
Years back I did not see what the big issue was between Pre, mid, or post rapture, but I had it very well explained to me once and it changed my
perspective. I always had the feeling that it would be a post tribulation thing, but I figured "hope for the best and be prepared for the worst". I
simply figured that those that believed in a pre-trib stance would be in for a big shock when it did not happen that way. One day though, I had it
explained to me that many Christians or those that thought they were Christians, would end up taking the mark because they expected to be ruptured
away before the mark was instituted. That very much changed things for me, and for the first time I actually got in on some of these discussions
online and in real life and tried to explain the dangers of this form of Christian wishful thinking.
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
And yet we are clearly told that the man of sin will be revealed, the son of perdition, who is the Antichrist.
This description fits the Pontifex Maximus, he is the head of the Roman Catholic Church, the largest Christian organization on the planet. The idea
that he declares himself God, or the representative of God on the earth is nothing new. He did this as Caesar, and he did this as the Pontiff.
Where else would one expect Satan to be, but in the highest ranking position possible in the Church, or the most powerful country in the world, where
he can do the most damage. He certainly is not hanging out with the Satanist’s, he has them already anyway…
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
The term Historicism however is not ringing any bells and sounds like a mixture of Preterism.
As both Futurism and Preterism were written by Rome as a defense against Historicism, it predates both and is a mixture of nothing. There are a few
versions of Historicism just as there are rapture arguments in Futurism; I presented the one that seems to me like it is happening now. Futurism, in
simpler terms then I wrote above, simply believes that Daniel and Revelations prophecy can be explained in the events following the end of the “Age
of the Jews” after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
I haven't quite figured out why futurism doesn't work for you as it is scripturally sound.
Well for one reason, it’s too well known and too simple. It lays out things too specifically and I have even had arguments with people here that
were members of Wicca that knew it as well as any Christian. Satan is not so stupid that he would allow something to be that well known. If it is well
known, then watch out because it follows some agenda he has planned as a deception. He is a very subtle and intelligent being that has had thousands
of lifetimes to lay out his trap.
Lets be honest when the futurist Anti-Christ gets on the Temple mount and declares himself to be God, then all the half Christians would suddenly
“fill their lamps with oil” if you catch my drift. People would know the exact time it happened and what to expect to follow. No one would accept
the mark at that point, even those that are not Christians, yet we know from the prophecy that many that claim to be Christians will do so. I recall
something about . “every man that says to me lord, lord…”
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
God is not interested in those who only seek him in times of trouble.
Exactly why what I said above is correct. If things are as well known as Futurism, then everyone will get on the bandwagon at the last second, and be
as worldly as possible right up to that point.
God is not stupid, he is going to catch the hypercritical pseudo-Christians with their pants down and their lamps empty.
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
You will believe the deception that the aliens have come.
You kinda need to drop the alien thing, for me they are not a factor, as a Christian I don’t believe in them, and as a sleep technician I tend to
believe that most abduction stuff is sleep paralysis. In the 8 years I worked in the aviation field, and all the years since that I have worked the
night shift, I have seen exactly one thing that I could not explain. That one thing happened to be the night that NASA had the shuttle fire a laser
through the atmosphere, so I cannot discredit that as what I saw. I have yet to have an alien bop me on the head to take one of my patients in the
dead of night, nor flashy-thing me as there would be a gap in the polygraph recording. To be honest there are not enough folks out there that believe
in aliens to have this be a legitimate end times threat.
If there are any aliens I would believe them to be fallen angels before I believed them to be from another world.
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
As God says, he will send strong delusion.
Yeah, that delusion is believing that the Nation ID cannot be the mark as it’s not instituted by the Anti-Christ, Its not implanted under the skin
at first, and because the Temple Mount is not rebuilt by the time its instituted. Now you understand what I am talking about?
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
I haven't seen anything that is not panning out the way I expect.
Right, but everything that we have seen up to now is man made. Israel being a nation again, the wars etc…
Don’t you find it funny that there is no Anti-Christ yet, nor a temple mount, and yet we are installing the national ID, and making other countries
get the same thing?
In chat with I discussed this with folks in other countries and the UK, Australia, and Canada either already have one or are passing laws on the same
thing.
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Right now we are witnessing the second part of the three part judgement of Babylon (Iraq ). Jeremiah 50 and 51 are being fulfilled right now. The
final part of this judgement will occur on the during the Day of the Lord.
No argument there, my main thing is not what happens in what order so much as what the Beast is, a Country or conglomeration of allied countries. The
most worldly countries in the history of the planet in fact, the Second Rome.
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
I haven't seen anything that is unscriptural about futurism
Again, the lack of an Anti-Christ persona, the lack of a Temple Mount, the fact that there are many Christians that will accept the mark because they
are following the signs of Futurism and don’t see these things. The fact that when I talk to folks about the National ID they tell me it cannot be
the mark because there is not Anti-Christ, Temple Mount, and its not implanted. This is the Danger, and it’s the Deception. It sounds like your
prepared either way, and that is a good thing.
I have a lot of serious life altering decisions to make between now and May 2008, and not many folks I talk to are taking them very seriously. They
claim that they will not accept that ID, yet I guarantee that will only last until the first time their rent is due and they need to cash a paycheck.
Then they will suddenly find a way to justify getting it, because that signs of Futurism have not yet come 100% to fruition, and they have seen 99% of
those sings come true thus far. To be honest even though I am a Christian and its wrong to feel this way, I am actually scared.
Anyway, I hope that makes sense, and thank you for the vote.
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