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"[Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God...it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation...it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts." Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America.
Neither Jesus nor St. Paul, nor any other Biblical figure is recorded as saying anything in opposition to the institution of slavery. Slavery was very much a part of life in Palestine and in the rest of the Roman Empire during New Testament times. Quoting Rabbi M.J. Raphall, circa 1861, "Receiving slavery as one of the conditions of society, the New Testament nowhere interferes with or contradicts the slave code of Moses; it even preserves a letter [to Philemon] written by one of the most eminent Christian teachers [St. Paul] to a slave owner on sending back to him his runaway slave."
IMO, Christians would have a lot more going for them if they just ripped out the old testament completely.
The god of the Old Testament has got to be the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it, petty, vindictive, unjust, unforgiving, racist, an ethnic-cleanser urging his people on to acts of genocide.
"There is not one verse in the Bible inhibiting slavery, but many regulating it. It is not then, we conclude, immoral.
When a man strikes his slave, male or female, and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be punished; for the slave is his money.
The New Testament does not pass judgment on slavery. It clearly reveals the sovereignty of God, and the high estimate God has of each individual person. When man sees the value of human life and applies the principles of Christianity to his fellow man, slavery disappears. We know that the Romans freed slaves in enormous numbers during the 2nd and 3rd centuries A.D. Most scholars believe this was the direct result of "applied Christianity."
I think you guys are blowing an old institution out of proportion. Slavery was a fact of life in ancient times and was often the only hope for a poor person to make a living.
But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. Matthew 18:25
One of the favorite passages of slave-owning Christians was St. Paul's infamous instruction that slaves to obey their owners in the same way that they obey Christ:
"Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him."Ephesians 6:5-9:
Originally posted by etshrtslr
Slavery and the Bible
The bible mentions slavery from the front cover to the back and yet nowhere does it condemn it.
"Set My People Free"
-Moses
Nowhere in the bible does Jesus condemn slavery.
Is the bible really the inspired word of God when for centuries it has been used as justification to enslave and subjugate people?
Or is the bible just a tool to manipulate and control the masses?
Nowhere in the bible does Jesus condemn slavery.
Nowhere in the bible does Jesus condemn slavery.
Originally posted by etshrtslr
I think you guys are blowing an old institution out of proportion. Slavery was a fact of life in ancient times and was often the only hope for a poor person to make a living.
That still does not make it right!!!!!!
Originally posted by XphilesPhan
no, it doesnt. but this was more than 2,000 years ago.
Originally posted by an3rkist
I think the whole point of this thread is to make the point that if we can't take what the Bible says about slavery literally, then should we be taking anything from the Bible literally?
Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
But, you and the original poster, neither of you have taken the bible literally.
There are no inconsistancies in the bible, whatsoever.
JE 34:4-5 Zedekiah was to die in peace.
JE 52:10-11 Instead, Zedekaih's sons are slain before his eyes, his eyes are then put out, he is bound in fetters, taken to Babylon and left in prison to die.
MT 7:1-2 Do not judge.
MT 7:15-20 Instructions for judging a false prophet
MT 9:18 The ruler's daughter was already dead when Jesus raised her.
LK 8:42 She was dying, but not dead.
MT 16:18 Jesus founds his church on Peter and will give him the keys of the kingdom.
MT 16:23 Jesus calls Peter [a] "Satan" and "a hindrance," and accuses him of being on the side of men rather than that of God.
MT 21:12-13 The cleansing of the temple occurs at the end of Jesus' career.
JN 2:13-16 It occurs near the beginning of his career.
It's encoded.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
Originally posted by an3rkist
Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
But, you and the original poster, neither of you have taken the bible literally.
It's my opinion that nobody in the history of the human race has ever taken the Bible literally, because it is so full of inconsistencies that would be impossible.
There are no inconsistancies in the bible, whatsoever.
Do you have any evidence whatsoever to back this up?
I googled "inconsistencies in the Bible" and this is the first link that came up:
www.infidels.org...
This page is a list of inconsistencies that is so long I refuse to even bother reading more than just a few. In case you were too narrow-minded and stubborn to click on a link that might prove you wrong, here is some of the ones it lists:
"Judge not lest thee be judged"
"We are in the dominion that is not heaven"
"They will be led by the mind of a child"
ARE = R
YOU = U
ARE YOU TAME?
tame has a silent "e" that makes no sound. a deciever, i'll take it out for a second.
R U TAM [mirror] MATUR ........ ok, you can have your "e" that makes no sound:
ARE YOU TAME = MATURE
N U D E [mirror] E D U N
that's right! They were NUDE in the garden of EDUN!
SEE = C
SEE I FART?
C I F A R T [mirror] T R A F I C
KUFU / CHEOPS
silly bulls (syllables for those with BIG HEADS), Olay!
FUK U SPOECH
MT 16:18 Jesus founds his church on Peter and will give him the keys of the kingdom.
....... things of the right hand into left hand and the left hand into right hand, and changed about all the marks of their nature,......... Unless ye make the things of the right hand as those of the left, and those of the left as those of the right, and those that are above as those below, and those that are behind as those that are before, ye shall not have knowedge of the kingdom.
Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
you don't even know what an "opinion" is.
Literally, yes, i do. it is the bible itself. it is the bible itself that proves there is no inconsistancies in the bible.
Perhaps if you were not so broad minded (big headed), you would have chosen to apply the rules of "The Word" to that book that said it was "The Word".
Yes, literally believe in the bible, and in god. have you ever? NO! Therefore, you have absolutley no basis for comparison in that BROAD BIG HEAD OF YOURS, SWELLING WITH: "opinions"
Here is some truth to pit against your "opinion"
"We are in the dominion that is not heaven"
then, obviously everthing is opposite that of heaven, right?
But what about the bible? Well, let's look where it all started then, shall we?
N U D E [mirror] E D U N
that's right! They were NUDE in the garden of EDUN!
Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
NO LIE BABE!
NO LY BAB [mirror] BABYLON!
Really? I was under the impression that Moses's whole mission was to:
"Set My People Free"
-Moses
Slavery was the effect!
Money was the cause of slavery!
Would there be slavery if there were no money?