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We can handle the truth!!

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posted on Nov, 28 2006 @ 09:06 PM
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October,

Hi.. your seemingly a down to earth player and I have come to respect opinions written by you in this crazy and often mixed up world of Aliens and their technology. No, I'm not a moderator but you know that so that question is in the trash.
Like your angles and your logic in asking questions I feel are well qualified and interesting October. Hope that has answered your question. Sorry if it seemed I came on strong. A second time is not in the cards.

Dallas




posted on Nov, 28 2006 @ 09:43 PM
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We can handle the truth!!


Can we?

I don't mean us (ATS or UFO folk) specifically, but I mean the population in general.... Can WE handle it? I'm not so sure...

1. That we are seemingly powerless to stop others from invading our airspace at will.
2. That we are seemingly powerless to stop others from abducting citizens at will.
3. That we are NOT the brightest crayon in the box.
4. That others may think of humans as "lesser beings".
5. That our ideas of religion, man's place in the universe, etc. are a complete farce...
6. That our society and economies could survive the sudden introduction of a vastly superior technological society...

Again, I'm not so sure.
This goes WAY beyond the childish idea of "panic". It's more about the psychological, sociological, and economic impact of the revelation of the presence of alien beings.

Assuming the government is hiding the alien issue (and I do to a large degree), I'd have to hope that there's a plan for a quicker conditioning of the public though.... After all, if the aliens decide they don't want to be secretive anymore...they'd blow the whole deal...no?



posted on Nov, 28 2006 @ 09:49 PM
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You want the truth? Can you handle the truth?

Just think in terms of economics.

Alien beings who mastered intersteller space travel spend enormous amounts of money in research and developement, training and construction. In order to justify such costs, their returns must be even more subtantial.

Economics, like Science, still rules in the universe.

What would be substantial returns? - Resources-man and material. Alien beings arent fairies to come to earth and grant mankind wishes. Stop dreaming. Trade is only viable when beings are equal, but we mankind have not even put a man on mars, our nearest planet. We arent even equals. So why bother to trade? Make a grab for it...just like what the spainards, brits, did in our colonnial past.

We live in dangerous times. Only because we own atomics are we able to keep predeators away, for it will be more costly to alien beings were we to use MAD (Mutually Aided Destruction) options.

You want the truth? Can you handle the truth? Are you ready to become slaves? Some will seek slavery, some will seek MAD. See how the truth can affect you?



posted on Nov, 28 2006 @ 09:52 PM
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If they are so advanced why didnt they enslave us BEFORE we had nukes ?



posted on Nov, 28 2006 @ 10:04 PM
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If they are so advanced why didnt they enslave us BEFORE we had nukes ?


Assuming they use a similar logic as us...it doesn't seem conquest or enslavement is in the agenda....

On the other hand, many believe the use of nukes is what sent the calling card in the first place...



posted on Nov, 29 2006 @ 04:02 AM
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Dallas it's ok and I like your posts too, peace

The more i read here the more my thoughts have changed. It doesn't appear to be as cut and dry as someone who knows aliens exist come up front and speak out for us all to accept. There seems to be so many different ramifications such as us as a human race feeling that our private space has been invaded.

I mean the news in the UK some time ago went absolutely nuts when they found out that we were being watched on cctv 300 times a day. People went crazy when they found this out because they thought it was invading their personal space. Now imagine if we were visited by aliens in "Crafts" large OR small I guess a lot of people would say "What right do they have coming here and invading our space/earth?" delete as appropriate
There would be outrage i'm guessing..



posted on Nov, 29 2006 @ 10:13 AM
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Gorzak, Childish as panic may seem, that's just what you will get and then as reality sets in all the other more extreme actions will take place.

Spiderj, you are right about children not being as initially affected but children only go their own way until they no longer have control of their situation. Once they realize that the adult world is in Chaos they will follow suit.

The issue is powerlessness my friends! If an alien race has the technology to get here and abduct people and carry on all the other alleged activities reported over the years then tell me:

Would you be able to just carry on life knowing that you have no power to stop this "invasion" from space? That no matter what you can't fight or defeat these aliens? That no matter how benevolent they may seem there will always be that superiority aspect of it all?

Reality is much different than speculation....A reality such as that is mind blowing!



posted on Nov, 29 2006 @ 10:44 AM
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The theories of the motives of Aliens are as wide spread and diverse as humans themselves. While I believe that they do exist just based on the probability that in the entire universe only Earth has intelegent life is near 0.

If they were here to enslave mankind they would have done so prior to the invention of gunpowder. Otherwise it would be too hard for them to controll 6 billion people. Benevolance I do take issue with as well, I am not sure that they look upon us as something to be protected and would eventualy come down just to bump us up to their level of evolution. They probably worked very hard to get to their place in the universe and wouldent it be cheating if they handed us all the answers? Probably would violate some code of ethics or something.

Experimentation, usage, economic trade. These seem like logical and much more real ideas for a interstellar race to me. Perhaps when the time is right and enough information is "leaked" to the public they will make their presence known in a way that won't make the entire populous of Earth scream invasion. Perhaps they are waiting for the so called "new world order" to emerge and mankind to be united. Then as one people on one planet it would be easier to start negotiations. As an alien ambasador it would be a monumentous undertaking at this point in Earth's history to begin worldwide negotiations of any sort. Trying to break down the social barriers, the cultural barriers, the language barriers of a planet not united would be the biggest hinderance to the start of a peacefull and meaningfull exchainge of ideas.

I mean at this point in time we are not ready for the truth. Hell some of us are still making war over tribal god images. That does not have the earmark of a spieces ready for interstelar trade and communication. Perhaps eventualy when something in our collective concienceness (SP) emerges then we will be ready for the next step.

So in my opinion, I think that the only way we will be ready for full fledged contact with these ET's is when the all of humanity can as one stand up and say in one voice. We are ready, come clue us in. Then you will get the "landing on the White House lawn"



posted on Nov, 29 2006 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by October
I mean the news in the UK some time ago went absolutely nuts when they found out that we were being watched on cctv 300 times a day. People went crazy when they found this out because they thought it was invading their personal space. Now imagine if we were visited by aliens in "Crafts" large OR small I guess a lot of people would say "What right do they have coming here and invading our space/earth?"


Just my two cents but I think it's a bit of a different reaction when it's your government spying on you which feels like being betrayed by a parent or guardian or some person that's supposed to be looking out for you, not looking in on you.

Aliens and not juts aliens but a highly advanced alien civilization traveling through the galaxy...that's just a lot to wrap your head around I don't know if it would feel as much like betrayal as it would getting doused unexpectedly with a bucket of cold water.


by mrwupy
Once disclosure is made the stories of abductions become valid.


I would say that considering all the stories we hear about the different supposed alien races visiting this planet, depending on who or what turns out to be here it might actually debunk many abduction stories.

I follow the rule that just because some (okay alot) of the supposed true tales of alien abduction and involvement turn out to be either flights of fancy or out and out hoaxes, it doesn't mean they all are and it certainly doesn't disprove extraterrestrials as a whole.

But if disclosure should come, if there turn out to be no greys if say the aliens that have been visiting us or the various races that have been visiting us look nothing remotely like the greys and have never implanted false memories or used holographic imagery or whatever to make themselves look like the greys...what exactly would that mean about all the talks of abduction by those types of aliens.

I'm not saying I don't believe in the little grey people but again never seen one up close. Just playing devils advocate.


by Mrwupy
The governments have few options on the issue. They can say that yes, they knew about the abductions and allowed them, or they can say they knew about the abductions and were powerless to stop them.


That's a good point. What actually occured before disclosure? What is/was/willhavebeen the governments role in things? What is/are the aliens intentions.

I think this will have a lot to do with the inevitible reaction of the general public.

If the disclosure process is honest and the government comes forward and says (and they're not actually lieing) "Hey campers, okay here's the deal we actually aren't alone in the galaxy and if the luncheons we've been having are any indication; our little corner of the milky way is just teaming with all kinds of funky alien life. Now we would like to apologize for keeping this from the general public for so long and we can honestly say that never have any of our alien visitors done anything to harm any citizen of the planet, the fact is, it's a new day and they believe we're ready to move forward and become a member of a bigger community. Jetpacks and lazer beams for everybody!"

I think in the end the general reaction would be positive.

But if disclosure is more along the lines of "Yeah they're here and look we're really sorry about the abductions and probings and breeding experiments but these little buggers are evil and they're armed to the gums and unfortunately the only thing tastier than a pleadian is evidently a human...and they've eaten all the pleadians...we're sorry good luck you're on your own. Do you people know what they call a big mac in the zeta-reticuli system!? Do You?! Le Human'...lord forgive us!"

I think the reaction from the general public would be one of utter panic and anger...I for one would probably have a massive pant crappin' freakout the likes of which has not been seen since the last time I had a massive pant crappin' freakout.


by seekeroftruth102
Alien beings who mastered intersteller space travel spend enormous amounts of money in research and developement, training and construction. In order to justify such costs, their returns must be even more subtantial.


We may have things they like. Just because they're highly advanced doesn't mean they don't like luxury items. I mean raw materials aside, never under estimate tourism. Who's to say that a little plastic snowglobe that says "earth" with the planet inside wouldn't be a huge hit. Or tshirts that say "My parents went probing on terra and all I got was this lousy t-shirt."

Plants, animals, trinkets, chatchkies....we could make a killing in the fetish "human" porn industry...we've certainly got lots of it.

You just never know what the inhabitants of Zorcon 7 are going to be into from one year to the next.


by jbondo
...Once they realize that the adult world is in Chaos they will follow suit.


That's a good point, but again I think falls under how disclosure comes down and what exactly disclosure would um disclose I guess.

Nice points whatukno, I guess you can tell from this post I agree with most of them.

This has turned out to be quite a good thread.


Spiderj



posted on Nov, 29 2006 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
Can we?

I don't mean us (ATS or UFO folk) specifically, but I mean the population in general.... Can WE handle it? I'm not so sure...

1. That we are seemingly powerless to stop others from invading our airspace at will.
2. That we are seemingly powerless to stop others from abducting citizens at will.
3. That we are NOT the brightest crayon in the box.
4. That others may think of humans as "lesser beings".
5. That our ideas of religion, man's place in the universe, etc. are a complete farce...
6. That our society and economies could survive the sudden introduction of a vastly superior technological society...

Again, I'm not so sure.
This goes WAY beyond the childish idea of "panic". It's more about the psychological, sociological, and economic impact of the revelation of the presence of alien beings.

Assuming the government is hiding the alien issue (and I do to a large degree), I'd have to hope that there's a plan for a quicker conditioning of the public though.... After all, if the aliens decide they don't want to be secretive anymore...they'd blow the whole deal...no?


I'm not quite so sure it would be as big of a deal as you think. I've asked my parents about these types of things before. They are not college-educated, blue-collar type typical lower-middle class america (rather intelligent, just never had the funds to go to college having many brothers and sisters each). I asked them "what would you do if on the news tonight they showed a picture of an alien baby found in a field and it confirmed that aliens do exist." Their answer?

"Eh watch for a bit until I realize that it doesn't pay the bills, then I'd flip it off."

I was moderately suprised. For a topic that many of us here hold so dear and/or are so interested in ... I didn't think that alot of people really just wouldn't care all that much.

Now granted this is different than a full disclosure that we have been powerless to stop invading/meeting with aliens for 60 years or something along those lines, but wouldn't that be a start? I mean 20 years later after the first alien baby, disclose something else, etc.

How many average non-ATSers (I say that because in general we are slightly more enlightened, or at least more aware of these types of things or else we wouldn't be here in the first place) think about 9/11 or Oklahoma City on a daily basis? While the information is brought up from time to time on the news, the public in general tends to forget about things rather quickly. I can see over the course of a long time (maybe a 100 years or so) disclosure happening gradually and the public not reacting nearly as harshly as many here think.

But as many have stated in this thread I don't think it's what we CAN handle ... it's what we are WILLING to handle and whether or not we really care. Just my two Honest Abes on the situation.



posted on Nov, 29 2006 @ 01:08 PM
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"Eh watch for a bit until I realize that it doesn't pay the bills, then I'd flip it off."


That's what many say now because the reality is not there for them. I think huddle in the basement with a shotgun is more realistic.

Panic

Chaos

Breakdown of society

That's it folks! I really get the impression that people don't want to accept this but IMO it is the likely outcome.

I've said it in as many ways as I can.



posted on Nov, 29 2006 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by jbondo
That's what many say now because the reality is not there for them. I think huddle in the basement with a shotgun is more realistic.

Panic

Chaos

Breakdown of society

That's it folks! I really get the impression that people don't want to accept this but IMO it is the likely outcome.

I've said it in as many ways as I can.


I still don't think it would be as bad as everyone thinks. Sure there will be panic and some chaos but anyone who is even remotely grounded or has an open mind will not steal a shotgun and go on a rampage. I can see the POTENTIAL for a full out breakdown and see why people would think that, but I personally don't think it would happen to that extent. Especially if disclosue happened bit by bit over a long period of time, which is what I was referring to in my post. Of course if the president went on TV in 15 minutes and said aliens exist and we have been collaborating with them since the 1940s and borrowing their technology, there will be a much greater threat to society than the situation I described. The public is hard to gauge ...

At any rate disclosure will happen ... it's just a matter of when. I'd put the timeline anywhere from 15 min to 1000 years



posted on Nov, 29 2006 @ 03:21 PM
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What if the truth is that there really are no such thing as UFO's or Aliens from other planets? What if all UFOs have a logical or earthly explanation? How many UFO believers are willing to accept that?



posted on Nov, 29 2006 @ 03:46 PM
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I'm still not enlightened on the fact why humanity should be thrown into chaos and panic, because of a logical and obvious thing. We know the Universe is huge, and that there are many more possible locations where life can exist.

Though i would be amused to see how religion will react on a disclosure event. I'm sure all forms of beliefs would embrace the idea of us not being alone. Afterall, If god created the universe, it would include them too.

But thats another topic, i guess.



posted on Nov, 29 2006 @ 04:29 PM
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I thought everyone already knew. Logically, the odds of us being the only sentient life form in all the universe are very slim. I think it's one in every 14,000,000,000 stars was computed to be supporting life.

Life is rare and indeed more precious than gold.

If they showed up tomorrow in droves, it would be a relief to get off the treadmill, wouldn't it.
That's probably why they won't.



posted on Nov, 29 2006 @ 04:36 PM
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Yes, sure we can.

This is the way I think about it:
If we can handle wars, massive violence and global warming in our daily routine, why wouldn't we get used to aliens too?



posted on Nov, 29 2006 @ 05:11 PM
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man now that's a weird thought zerotime, what if there isn't anything to disclose? no aliens, ufo's or hidden bases on this planet, I can't imagine that. we would all look a bit silly wouldn't we!, I think they're among us

[edit on 29/11/06 by October]



posted on Nov, 29 2006 @ 06:17 PM
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Hi,

As to if we could handle the truth, I believe it is certainly relevant as to what that truth is: If the truth is intelligent beings who have been trading technology with our government in a beneficial manner then of course we could handle it, the government may even be applauded for its secrecy; if however the truth was of amoral master species who come to use humans as guinea pigs I think then certainly a segment of the population would lead a violent revolt against the government

The manner of appearence of the aliens would be crucial to our comprehension and how we handled their prescence* Were they the humanoid Nordics we would probably accept them with open arms, and the religious among us would probably even call them angels* If they were the Greys we would be entranced but still accept them, we have been conditioned to love the image of the Greys from movies like "ET" all the way down to stuffed animals

What if they were of a nature that was truly "alien" ? Like intelligent sentient radio waves or beams of energy? That would seriously challenge our reality tunnels



posted on Nov, 29 2006 @ 06:26 PM
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I can handle the truth because I have learned a good deal of it already, at least that part of it that I am capable of learning and knowing and understanding.

It is scary and not easy to deal with and it has been difficult for me but now I find that that is going away.

It is finding a purpose when you know what so few others know that is most difficult. You need that to ground yourself in this reality.



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