War Profits, and un-ethical behaviour., page 1
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Topic started on 27-11-2006 @ 05:44 PM by Agit8dChop
When do ties become unethical?
How can a man send his troops into conflict, to ensure he makes a profit?

How would it look to international alliances.. being our leaders are involved in making profit from this 'supposidly' genuine war, that turned out to be a set-up.

“Cheney told "Meet the Press" in 2003 that he didn't have any financial ties to the firm (Halliburton).”

“Cheney said Sunday on NBC that since becoming vice president, "I've severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interest. I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had, now, for over three years."”


Well, if this was the case MR Cheney, and you didn’t have ANY FINANCIAL tie to Halliburton, how is it possible that your STOCK OPTIONS have risen over 3281% in 2005?

You had $241,498 worth of OPTIONS in Halliburton,
As of mid 2005, they exploded into $8,000,000 in your pocket.

Cheney seems to justify this LIE, because he will donate after tax profits to a charity.

“However, the Congressional Research Service (CRS) concluded in Sept. 2003 that holding stock options while in elective office does constitute a “financial interest” regardless of whether the holder of the options will donate proceeds to charities.”

“Since I left Halliburton to become George Bush's vice president, I've severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interest," the Vice President said. "I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had, now, for over three years.” – D.Cheney


According to financial disclosure forms, he was paid:
$205,298 in 2001
$162,392 in 2002
$178,437 in 2003
$194,852 in 2004

And remember in 2005 his stock was estimated at $8,000,000.00

How exactly does this man justify having NO FINANCIAL TIE?

So obviously, he was making money from Halliburton.
But did he have a say in Halliburton being PICKED for the IRAQI mission?

“The contract was granted under a January Bush administration waiver that, according to the Washington Post, allowed "government agencies to handpick companies for Iraqi reconstruction projects."”

This contract was
- Opened Ended
- No time limit
- No $ Limit
- It was a COST PLUS contract (meaning that the company is guaranteed to recover costs and then make a guaranteed profit)



So there’s a new WAIVER within the US Government, giving them the ability to DECIDE whom makes money of the WAR?

"Also, the vice president has nothing whatsoever to do with the Pentagon bidding process," the aide added.


But then

The Pentagon has acknowledged that Vice-President Dick Cheney's chief of staff and other political appointees helped make the controversial decision on a $1.8 million contract for the postwar recovery of Iraq's oil sector.

How convenient it happens to be a company, that the very US governments people have FINANCIAL INTEREST in.

I mean, with Cheneys stock options its fair to say.. should Halliburton do well, its stock holders do well. This would explain the 3000+ % increase in stock value for My Cheney.


Have you noticed how the Wheat board in Australia right now is being investigated and highly criticized for selling wheat and giving kickbacks to Iraq?
How about this :

“But the one company that helped Saddam exploit the oil-for-food program in the mid-1990s that wasn't identified in Duelfer's report was Halliburton, and the person at the helm of Halliburton at the time of the scheme was Vice President Dick Cheney. Halliburton and its subsidiaries were one of several American and foreign oil supply companies that helped Iraq increase its crude exports from $4 billion in 1997 to nearly $18 billion in 2000 by skirting U.S. laws and selling Iraq spare parts so it could repair its oil fields and pump more oil. Since the oil-for-food program began, Iraq has sold $40 billion worth of oil. U.S. and European officials have long argued that the increase in Iraq's oil production also expanded Saddam's ability to use some of that money for weapons, luxury goods and palaces. Security Council diplomats estimate that Iraq was skimming off as much as 10 percent of the proceeds from the oil-for-food program thanks to companies like Halliburton and former executives such as Cheney.”



Ok, so we’re clear that Cheney is making money from Halliburton.
And Halliburton is making money from the Iraq war.
And that Cheney and Halliburton had direct dealings with SADDAM prior to the invasion, which also made a lot of money.

Now, the government, and Cheney declare this as ‘not a conflict of interest’.
Well, When YOUR country invades another country and you make a 3000% profit on your interests BECAUSE of it, that to me is a conflict.

Especially when all the evidence and meaning to go to war in the first place, ended up being forged. That to me is a VERY SUSPICOUS conflict of interest now.
What would make it worse, was if it came to light that Cheney himself, pushed for the IRAQ War.

[
i]“Nobody pushed harder than Cheney for a military strike against Saddam Hussein. Nobody was more cocksure about the presence of weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear components. Nobody was more emphatic about a secret alliance between al Qaeda and Baghdad.”



Where’s his evidence? What made him believe Saddam had wmd’s?
Wasn’t it Cheney involved with GW Snr? When they went in, trampled Saddam and forced the destruction of his arsenal?
Cheney knew from that day that Iraq never had Wmd’s, and that they were militarily inferior to the USA…… is that why he was so eager to send hundreds of thousands of people head first into a conflict with them?

How are we not IMPEACHING THESE MEN?

Jesus, America..

Your blood, your young men and women, the fruit of your labor are being sent to war, influenced by a man making PROFITS from that battle?

Is this not enough for you to be enraged?
To be protesting and rioting?

These are your sons and daughters who are dying daily because of GREED!

Who cares that it’s a war based on lies.
Who cares it’s a administration that cheated their way to power.
Who cares that 3000 of your own citizens were sacrificed to make you feel angry towards a region.

But Jesus, I thought you’d care enough when your children were being sent to battle FOR MONEY!


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[edit on 27-11-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

[edit on 27-11-2006 by Agit8dChop]


reply posted on 27-11-2006 @ 10:52 PM by Agit8dChop
“But the one company that helped Saddam exploit the oil-for-food program in the mid-1990s that wasn't identified in Duelfer's report was Halliburton, and the person at the helm of Halliburton at the time of the scheme was Vice President Dick Cheney. Halliburton and its subsidiaries were one of several American and foreign oil supply companies that helped Iraq increase its crude exports from $4 billion in 1997 to nearly $18 billion in 2000 by skirting U.S. laws and selling Iraq spare parts so it could repair its oil fields and pump more oil. Since the oil-for-food program began, Iraq has sold $40 billion worth of oil. U.S. and European officials have long argued that the increase in Iraq's oil production also expanded Saddam's ability to use some of that money for weapons, luxury goods and palaces. Security Council diplomats estimate that Iraq was skimming off as much as 10 percent of the proceeds from the oil-for-food program thanks to companies like Halliburton and former executives such as Cheney.”


Thinking about this,
www....-------------------------/library/bio/usa/dick-cheney/

in January 2000, Cheney was ceo of halliburton, and halliburton was dealing with saddam in the oil for food scandal.

By January 2002, Cheney was VP of America, and making a war with iraq over these supposid incidents which broke the UN restrictions.

Cheney, that sob snake, knew iraq was a cash cow, with a crippled twisted dictator..
If only he could get his companies into iraq to control all that potential wealth..

Thats gotta be a first....
A man, was elected into the 2nd most powerful position, in the world super powers heirachy...

He got there not through service to america, and its people..
but because he was so corporately driven, when presented with the opportunity to 'pick' the VP for bush's campaign...

he just couldnt resist that business 'opportunity'




[edit on 27-11-2006 by Agit8dChop]


reply posted on 28-11-2006 @ 02:31 AM by khunmoon
Corporations behave like psychopaths according to Joel Bakan "The Corporation: The Pathological Pursuit of Profit and Power". So naturally they are unethical. The psychopath diagnose is the only psychiatric ailment where the patient does not suffer. Only his subjects do. Unethical behaviour is the very foundation of business. And that's the reason for Mr. Cheney's succes.

It's only about money. Any means to make them is OK.

According to Wall Street Journal a subsidiary of Halliburton Energy Services was opened in Tehran in 2001. The company called Halliburton Products and Services Ltd, HPS, operated
"behind an unmarked door on the nineth floor of a new north Tehran tower block."
Although HPS was incorporated in the Cayman Islands in 1975 and is "non-American", it shares both the logo and name of Halliburton Energy Services and, according to Dow Jones Newswires offers services from Halliburton units world-wide through its Tehran office. Such behaviour, undertaken while Cheney was CEO of Halliburton, may have violated the Trading with the Enemy Act.
....
No legal action has been taken against the company or its officials.


What else they've gotten away with might have been lost in time or sudden death. But beside the roumours and myths the traces left are there to be unearthened.

Halliburton has subsidiaries in 131 countries.
Here's a report about what they do in Russia, published by the well-reputed CPI.

Dated pre-war, it only goes to show how much better even they have fared since.

Cheney Led Halliburton To Feast at Federal Trough

WASHINGTON, August 2, 2000 — Under the guidance of Richard Cheney, a get-the-government-out-of-my-face conservative, Halliburton Company over the past five years has emerged as a corporate welfare hog, benefiting from at least $3.8 billion in federal contracts and taxpayer-insured loans.

One of these loans was approved in April by the U.S. Export-Import Bank. It guaranteed $489 million in credits to a Russian oil company whose roots are imbedded in a legacy of KGB and Communist Party corruption, as well as drug trafficking and organized crime funds, according to Russian and U.S. sources and documents.

Halliburton, which lobbied for the Ex-Im loan after the State Department initially asserted that the deal would run counter to the "national interest," will receive $292 million of those funds to refurbish a massive Siberian oil field owned by the Russian company, the Tyumen Oil Co., which is controlled by a conglomerate called the Alfa Group.

.....
Some allegations of organized crime and drug activities involving Tyumen's parent company, the Alfa Group, had been made public in Russia last year.

The allegations were contained in a report delivered in 1997 by anonymous officials from the FSB (the Russian equivalent of the FBI) to the national security committee of the Duma, or lower house of parliament.

A Russian-American specialist on business practices in the former Soviet Union who has worked with the White House and Pentagon told The Public i that the allegations contained in the 1997 report have been the subject of an investigation by the FSB but that the probe, for unexplained reasons, had been "put away for a better day."
.....
That document and the FSB report claim that Alfa Bank, one of Russia's largest and most profitable, as well as Alfa Eko, a trading company, had been deeply involved in the early 1990s in laundering of Russian and Colombian drug money and in trafficking drugs from the Far East to Europe.

The former KGB major, who with the fall of communism in the late 1980s had himself been involved in the plan by the KGB and Communist Party to loot state enterprises, said that Alfa Bank was founded with party and KGB funds, and quickly attracted rogue agents who had served in anti-organized-crime units. "They (the rogue agents on the banks payroll) quickly determined that dealing in drugs would bring the highest profits with literally no risk in Russia," according to the former KGB officer.

He claimed that a "large channel of heroin transit was established from Burma through Laos, Vietnam, to the Far East [Siberia]." From there the drugs were camouflaged as flour and sugar shipments and forwarded on to Germany. The drug operation was controlled by a Chechen mob family, he said.


This story is attributed to the Halliburton company of "Brown & Root", from 2002 merged with Kellogg to form the infamous subsidiary "KBR".

"Brown & Root" was originally a construction firm specialized in dam building with a history as government contractor going back to WW II.

It was one of the first to build offshore platforms and is involved in any kind of construction today from pipelines to military camps.

During the Vietnam days activists called it "Burn & Loot" because of its heavy involvement in that war.

Finally a snippet, that more than suggests involvements in drug-trade.

www.fromthewilderness.com...
It is clear that everywhere there is oil there is Brown and Root. But increasingly, everywhere there is war or insurrection there is Brown and Root also. From Bosnia and Kosovo, to Chechnya, to Rwanda, to Burma, to Pakistan, to Laos, to Vietnam, to Indonesia, to Iran to Libya to Mexico to Colombia, Brown and Root's traditional operations have expanded from heavy construction to include the provision of logistical support for the U.S. military. Now, instead of U.S. Army quartermasters, the world is likely to see Brown and Root warehouses storing and managing everything from uniforms to rations to vehicles.

Do yourself the favour to read it all.

I started a thread were I try to unravel the ties between WoT, its business opportunities and the drug-trade, War on Terror financed by drugs?

The same story can be found there but in a different link
"FROM MEDELLIN TO MOSCOW WITH BROWN & ROOT"

Maybe it's too hot to touch.


reply posted on 28-11-2006 @ 11:48 PM by BitRaiser
A rather pointed documentary can be seen here: Iraq for Sale

It goes indepth on contractor opperations in Iraq and explains exactly what "cost plus" is and why it's a remarkably bad way to do business.

Corporations do not belong on the battlefield!



reply posted on 1-12-2006 @ 08:35 PM by Ed Littlefox
Hi, Chop-

As always, you hit the nail on the head.

For what it’s worth, I had to put a bit more time in thinking about this thread than I normally do before I composed a reply.

At the age of 60, if I have learned anything relatively important about the majority of my fellow Americans, it is that most of them are Sheep. “Sheeple”, easily led, easily convinced, easily swayed, easily indoctrinated, too willing to allow real or perceived authority to do their thinking for them, nearly completely indecisive on any issue, possessive of the desire to “be on the winning side” rather than risk taking a stand for Truth, too willing to give up Rights in favor of “Safety and Security”, and very, very, easily distracted—especially when faced with the Truth. The unfortunate Truth is that my whole Country is in a nearly constant state of Denial.

Oh, we do definitely pull together when the Chips are down, like natural disasters, but always too late when it comes to the preventable problems.

Here is an example of the standard of mentality I’m treating here. There was a news item this evening regards a sexual harassment/abuse issue at a McDonalds. An 18 year-old female employee was strip-searched by a female supervisor. It seems that some guy phoned the store, identified himself as a Police Detective, and told the Supervisor that the young lady was a “suspect” is a crime. He then requested over the phone that the young gal be strip-searched. After that was accomplished, he talked the Supervisors’ boyfriend into “kissing the girl and spanking her”. This was done WITHOUT QUESTION. Mickey D’s is being sued for 200mil.

The trick here is the NOBODY questioned anything—even the victim. Just how stupid can it get? Remember, these people were charged with managing a business.

As to Iraq, we invaded a country and took down a Brutal, but Stable Government, and replaced it with an Unstable Government that is even MORE Brutal—and all at the behest of, by, and for, Corporate Interests.

Then you have the Evangelical Conservative “Christians” and their Right-wing Politicians. Nobody seems to comprehend that the Leadership of the Evangelical Movement are Big Business People and the Commodity they sell is “God”. The mandate is to “save their Soul and keep them ignorant”—and that so they can get YOUR MONEY, for which you receive nothing at all. The Evangelicals are nothing more than Con Artists in Christian Cloaks. Every one of them are filthy rich off the backs of their Following. Categorically, they are as far from God and a Hawk from the Moon. How would I know? I am a Minister, and an historical Churchman.
Even though I know the Truth and stand for it, Chop, I am only One Man in a country of 300mil of which about 95% are completely stupid Sheep. What can I do, really, other than try to talk to who I can, when I can, and show the Truth to those willing to see it?

As to an answer to the intuitive question, “Why do American condone such a state of Corruption as the certainly have?”, I can’t answer you, and that is because such defies any Logic or Common Sense. I just don’t know why and I am at a loss for any answer. I just hope and pray that we all wake the heck up.


[edit on 1-12-2006 by Ed Littlefox]
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