This week has seen Bulgaria and Romania join the EU, and since the last expansion in 2004 more than 12,000 east Europeans - mainly Poles - have
moved to live in Wales. There are large Polish communities in all three major Welsh cities but also in Carmarthenshire and Wrexham.
...Migrationwatch said immigration brings £4bn a year to Britain's gross domestic product (GDP), using Government figures. This amounted to 0.01% of
overall GDP, or £2.10 a year for each of Britain's 60 million inhabitants, or 4p a week, the report suggested.
£4bn/12,000 = £333,333.333 contribution to GDP per immigrant since 2004!
This doesn't seem right, there's only so much you can earn from the low level jobs they are reportedly taking up. Is this saying the countires
cleaners, whatever nationality provide over 20 times their income?
So I've searched for how many immigrants there are in the country. Map
of people born abroad in UK.
This shows that 4.3 million people in england between 1971 - 2001 were born abroad. Are these also to be added into the above calculation?
£4bn/4,312,000 = £927 contribution to GDP per immigrant.
Or can we say each one of these people provide £333,333.333 to the GDP, providing us with £1.437 trillion.
Basically I'm trying to point out that stats are used to prove anything and I think the ones in this article prove nothing. It'd be nice to know the
truth on the contribution immigration makes to our country.
"The main beneficiaries are the immigrants themselves who are able to send home about £10m a day, not the host nation."
£10mil x 52 = £520,000,000 sent to immigrants families per year. An 1/8 of proposed GDP. Say each of these 12,000 immigrants earn £15,000 per
annum for their low level job (that 'our people don't want' (that really grates, but anyway)). That means they earn a net £180,000,000, less than
half the proposed money they send abroad.
The CBI's Susan Anderson said, "Migrationwatch is seeking to score a few cheap political points with these figures but the benefits of
migration need to be looked at more deeply.
"Migrants to the UK bring valuable skills and ideas with them and help to fill job vacancies where Britons are unable or unwilling to do so. Their
taxes help pay for our public services and our pensions, long after many migrants have returned home.
CBI claims immigrants bring £54.3bn in added value to the economy. This wooly approach smacks of spin. What is added value but some management speak.
Anyway, how can one report say they provide £50bn more than another.
Did anybody else read about the lack of freedom of information since the freedom of information act. It's because nobodies got any.
Sminkey has been a strong advocate in this thread that you can't put an economic vale on some of the immigrants contributions, such as us being able
to mix with other cultures and learn from them. The problem is that many peopel don't want to mix and therefore this isn't really a reason for
promoting uncontrolled immigration.Uncontrolled immigration promotes racism. During my christmas holiday back in Coventry I was appalled at the amount
of people I met who had such negative things to say about the polish. Also I heard many 'muslim jokes' in very bad taste. But anyway, in the
beggining of the provided article from icWales it says that the government knows there is a feeling of discontent about immigration from the general
population, but instead of quashing this report they should do something about it.
I just remembered another story to recount. I was on my way home and a polish man saw me having a cigarette outside the bus station. I gave him one
and then he started crying (he was drunk and was drinking from a bottle). He was saying, through a mixture of sign language and very broken english,
that he had been a soldier, had come here in search of a job and then couldn't find one and had nowhere to go. My advice was to go to the job centre,
I didn't know what else to say. But then he started asking for money, I said I'd give him £2 for some food and he started saying give me £3... the
cheek. Ha, ah well. I gave him the £2 and watched him go get some chips. It's just an experience I had, draw from it what you will.