Originally posted by st3ve_o
regardless the only real positive i keep hearing about is the economy
- Well ok, but the positive effects on the national economy is of huge concern and has a major impact on us all; doesn't it?
But in any case there's far more than that.
It's good for us.
It helps us understand the world we live in better because we meet and inter-act with more people from more of it.
It's good for our own culture....which is (and certainly ought to be) a highly dynamic and 'living' thing.
Our culture always has been one that is heavily influenced by regular influxes of immigration to the UK and many many centuries of contact with other
Us to them and they to us.
It's good for us personally to meet peoples from around the world, learn a huge range of new things and expand our own personal horizons.
An open (or, perhaps more accurately, a more open) world is far more preferable than a closed - or more closed - world.
That way lies a more ignorant and dangerous world.
the negatives britain is Britain becoming more divided all the time due to the fact theres SOOOO many different cultures living and working
- Actually you say you see so much difference but so what?
That doesn't actually mean 'division' anyway.
We're a mature nation full of different people, why should a little extra difference be a problem in itself?
Because, despite the periodic and few instances of problems,
(and I think they are usually over-stated in the narrow political interests of those seeking to exploit the issue)
I actually see a country largely at ease with it's variation and growing more and more so.
I see more and more mixed marriages; more and more people travelling and more and more people who really and genuinely do not have any 'truck' with
the racist element and to cap it all we have some of the world's most cosmopolitan cities on the globe.
It's true that that does frighten some people
(so much so that they prefer to believe in a fake past where it is pretended that "London never was.......
" blah blah blah)
but nevertheless the truth is that our culture has a rich and diverse past......you'll find credible written records of Muslims in the UK back in
You're seeing nothing other than the choice to know or experience more than you otherwise would, nothing is being taken from you by any of this.
......and anyway if you really do want to hold to this mentality and be frightened of these notions of 'cultural imperialism
' then why not
stop looking at the small minority of black or Muslim people here and/or inventing 'fears' about what you imagine 'they' might do some time in the
future and open your eyes to what 'American culture' is doing here now.
If your concern really is worrying about what is changing 'our ways' and swamping 'our culture', right now, then look west, not east.
Cos the real changes being seen in the most British homes across the UK is coming from the USA not from a small minority who's roots are from the
But it seems to me fair to say that lately a ridiculous fake version of 'British culture' has taken root in some of our tabloids.
This pretends that 'we', as an island, have had little to do with anywhere or anybody else in previous centuries.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
European culture is heavily linked to British culture as indeed are cultures from several places around the globe (in particular the Middle East and
Africa) and they (and we) have been 'linked' for centuries.
you said in your last job, there were czechs speaking in their own language, i can relate to that - the company i worked was all speaking
arabic, and thats not right as most could speak english....i won't be working back at that company again because the divides their was unreal
- Have you ever wondered how it might be to be the only one (or one of a small handful) when things are the other way around.....out in the world and
not just at work?
How about if you experienced that discomfort in all of your life here......cos you know your discomfort was just that, your own feeling, add in some
abuse or nasty behaviour and you know it gets much much worse from some.
There are lots of times when you might feel 'uncomfortable' in all sorts of scenarios; it doesn't take foreign people.
Being the new kid at work surrounded by a group unfriendly uncommunicative adult (English) men who already know each other well might be another far
more frequent scenario one might encounter.
This really doesn't sound like such a big deal to me, such is life.
on one hand we had british muslims (could speak english) but didn't want anything to do with anyone.
- I've worked in lots of places where certain people didn't speak to others; once at one place we even had a little gang of evangelical ultras who
lived the 'keep ye separate' rule.
The rest of us just got on with it.
No real need for special dramas.
I've also worked in places where I was good friends with Muslim people, invited to their homes and celebrated their festivities with them (and a Sikh
No fear no threat just people who appreciated each others' differences and liked each other getting along.
(cos this is the kicker for all intolerant racists......it's the differences between us that make us interesting to each other, they'll never defeat
The issue is surely one of being able to overcome these artificial barriers or not.
'They' have a minority of their zealots who cannot or refuse to see past the barriers they erect just as 'we' have people who cannot or refuse to
see past the division they insist they see there.
IMO it's really just so unnecessary, a great pity and such a pointless and potentially dangerous waste of time.
summary if you want to work/live in england you should speak ENGLISH.
- I don't see why we need to be so rigid about this.
I've met people all over the world who couldn't speak English, so what?
I have no-one else's language except appalling French and a couple of German wards.
In England the one thing you can be sure of is that most do speak English....... and the small handful who can't?
It doesn't mean the sky is falling in.
The most fundamental fact in all of this is that we have far more in common with our fellow man, who ever they might be or where ever they might
come from, than divides us.
Being aware of this and knowing it to be true is precisely what the loony dingbat element (on whatever side) can't abide.
Whether they be ultra left-wingers or ultra right-wingers, Evangelical fundamentalists or Muslim fundamentalists their message is basically the same;
be afraid, know your place and stay in small easily controlled homogeneous groups.
I say to hell with that.
[edit on 29-11-2006 by sminkeypinkey]