Originally posted by infinite
Well, both the UDA and the UVF have said that they will blow Dublin to bits if they dare try and move Belfast closer to the republic.
- IMO it's an empty threat and posturing....but I'll agree with you, coming from that bunch it's chilling enough.
Pity David Erving hadn't more clout with them (he always seemed like he was genuine, realistic and fairly open about what was what).
The so-called 'Loyalists' never were the most technically sophisticated groups but now they simply haven't the means or expertise
(and, thankfully, every year of peace takes that further and further away from them......as, happily, it does for all the paramilitary groups).
As was demonstrated during the riots of summer/autumn 2005 they already know the 'weight' of the British state forces will move fully against them
if they start any of that stupidity
(which is something which has never truly happened before).
Just as the early years of the Drumcree trouble, blockades and disorder was always faced down and soundly defeated.
It's part and parcel and the inherent contradiction of 'direct rule'.
They simply have no say.
The UK has been moving ever closer to the RoI Gov in terms of NI policy for decades and that will continue no matter what those on the side-line have
(it'll even continue that way if there's a change of political party in power in the UK, however unlikely that is
It's also the catch 22 of devolved power, if they do want to have a political say they have to share power with those they have tried so long to shut
out of power and having a say.
I got a book for Christmas called the "UDA" by Henry McDonald and Jim Cusack. In the book, a high figure of the UDA said that the group will
always become active if "the rebels" try to take over again.
- You should have seen the UDA/UVF literature we used to get around the estate in the early 1970's.
We were regularly told -
The RoI was about to invade at any moment (their purchase of a handful of Fouga Magister trainer/light attack aircraft proved it
republicans were going to poison the water supply (possibly a garbled interpretation of the old late 1960's hippy idea of putting '___' in the water
supply to start a social revolution)
and the paranoia usually ending up with something along the lines of 'being sold out' and that 'we had to have independence for NI'.
All baseless, unworkable insanity and the product of paranoia generated by the kind that fear-monger.
They're always making such claims.
(I expect you know this infinite but for others that may be looking at this and don't)
the truth is that it was the so-called 'Loyalists' in the shape of the UVF, Gusty Spence and Co. who actually started the last round of 'the
troubles' by pretending to be the IRA (blowing up electricity power sub-stations and the like) to provoke a response from the then Unionist
(devolved) Gov in NI.
(The Unionist Gov had already faced Paisley's crass rabble-rousing incitement for decades by then, usually tall tales about 'selling out' to
Dublin - or papist 'Rome' - just because everyone of the NI Prime Ministers since 1950 could see the sense of north-south cooperation and closer
Well they got their reaction alright and the repressive 'state' reaction (and the by-standing whilst 'Loyalists' attacked republicans and
republican areas) in turn provoked a republican response and before you know it everybody was so wound up that we had the horrors of Bloody Friday
(where republicans bombed - with no warning - civilian 'targets' like the bus depot and city-centre, causing massive casualties and numerous
fatalities) and of Bloody Sunday (which surely needs no further explanation) and with that the flames were utterly out of control and the rest is
It had nothing to do with "rebels trying to take over" and everything to do with hoping to provoke republican violence to distract and stall the
political progress that was so obviously imminent.
The political progress came eventually anyways and the, disastrous, so-called 'Unionist state for a Unionist people' was swept away never to
My family over home (Northern Ireland) tell me that the UDA are just a mafia or another terrorist group waiting to happen. If there is peace,
UDA will become a mafia involved in drugs, etc but if republicanism takes a rise and the UDA will go back to terrorists ways.
- The Loyalist gangs have always been attracted to drugs as easy financing, the UVF probably the 'cleanest' in this respect and the LVF and UDA the
worst but it's all relative.
Their problem is that republicanism has wised up and isn't going to be led down the path of violence again, all that lies down there is years of
stalled politics (which is why it has been used and has happened before).
The British were, at one time, happy to let their 'Loyalist proxies' use this tactic but once the republicans began targeting the major commercial
centres of England - and particularly London's financial centre - that was it.
No matter what the so-called 'Loyalists' might have to say on the matter.
[edit on 28-12-2006 by sminkeypinkey]