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Originally posted by BitRaiser
I'll not dissagree with you in the slightest on the points you raise, but I will take issue with your suggested recource.
Imediate withdrawl would be an irresponcible act worse that the desission to invade Iraq in the the first place.
If the US was to completely pull out now, Iraq would very quickly fall into a worse state of chaos than it is in currently.
You cannot claim to be a humanitarian nation if you leave these people to suffer.
TAL AFAR - A double suicide attack killed 22 people and wounded 45 at a market in a Shi'ite district in the northern city of Tal Afar, near the Syrian border, police said.
BAQUBA - Gunmen blew up an office of radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr's movement in the town of Baquba, north of Baghdad, after U.S. troops raided the building to arrest Sadr supporters inside, police said. They also reported sporadic clashes and said the situation was tense in the religiously mixed town which has been a frequent scene of sectarian violence.
BAGHDAD - Residents in Shula, a Shi'ite enclave in mainly Sunni west Baghdad, said at least two mortars hit the neighbourhood. There were no reports of any injuries.
ISKANDARIYA - A roadside bomb targeting a police patrol killed one policeman and wounded another in the town of Iskandariya, 40 km (25 miles) south of Baghdad, on Thursday, police said. In a separate incident gunmen attacked a police checkpoint, killing one civilian and wounding a policeman.
MOSUL - Three bodies with gunshot wounds were found in different parts of the northern city of Mosul on Thursday, the local hospital said.
TAL AFAR - Gunmen pulled a man off a bus in central Tal Afar on Thursday and shot him dead, police said.
Originally posted by rich23
However, the Iraqis won't be happy until every last US serviceman is off their soil.
Originally posted by rich23
Anyone remember that great (and massively expensive) photo-op, "Mission Accomplished"?
- All international support for The War Against Terror has been p###ed away
- around 3000 US fatalities (if you believe the official figures)
- how many more disabled vets?
- at least half a million Iraqi fatalities
- ongoing sectarian civil war
- a puppet government unable to control the country
- the status of women set back by around a thousand years
- depleted uranium causing birth defects as never before (and it's never going away)
- infrastructure destroyed - no fresh water in many places, and even in Baghdad, electricity is only available for a few hours each day
- the Iraqi treasury looted
- the oil of Iraq, far from "being held in trust for the people of Iraq" (another lie from Tony Blur), has been given away to the oil companies
- thousands of Iraqi doctors have fled the country after threats of violence
- gasoline is almost unavailable to the people of Iraq except through the black market
- torture and abuse, bad enough in Saddam's day, is still rampant whether it's Americans or Iraqis doing it
- corrupt "reconstruction" programmes suck money out of Iraq and into the multinationals' coffers with little or no visible results
- unemployment at an all time high
- armed militias are necessary for the Iraqis' self-defence
- death squads roam the country, torturing and killing at will
Anyone care to disagree?
[edit on 25-11-2006 by rich23]
Originally posted by American Madman
The infrastructure had already been long wasted away.
The puppet government was voted for.
So we all knew the outcome upfront (Maliki was on television 24 hours before the verdict telling people not to ‘rejoice too much’). I think what surprises me right now is the utter stupidity of the current Iraqi government. The timing is ridiculous- immediately before the congressional elections? How very convenient for Bush. Iraq, today, is at its very worst since the invasion and the beginning occupation. April 2003 is looking like a honeymoon month today.
Death Squads romed the country and killed at before the war, just they were sunni death squads and a free press didn't exist in iraq to report it.
The Police Commandos are in large part the brainchild of another US counter-insurgency veteran, Steven Casteel, a former top DEA man who has been acting as the senior advisor in the Ministry of the Interior. Casteel was involved in the hunt for Colombia�s notorious coc aine baron Pablo Escobar, during which the DEA collaborated with a paramilitary organization known as Los Pepes, which later transformed itself into the AUC, an umbrella organization covering all of Colombia�s paramilitary death squads
Your death toll can not be confirmed.
armed militias have always existed in iraq. Its one of the reason the kurds in the north are properous and relatively terrorist free.
Status of women set back by 1000 years? by whom? how exactly?
The iraqi treasury was looted. by whom? Was it ever used for the people when saddam was in power?
A recent UNICEF report shows that, "before 1990 and the imposition of sanctions, Iraq had one of the highest standards of living in the Middle East". Now UNICEF reports, "at least 200 children are dying every day. They are dying from malnutrition, a lack of clean water and a lack of medical equipment and drugs to cure easily treatable diseases".
Um oil is paid for not given away. Remember that oil for food program? With saddam the oil never benefitted "the people"
COSTING IRAQ BILLIONS
Economic projections published here for the first time show that the model of oil development that is being proposed will cost Iraq hundreds of billions of dollars in lost revenue, while providing foreign companies with enormous profits.
Our key findings are:
# At an oil price of $40 per barrel, Iraq stands to lose between $74 billion and $194 billion over the lifetime of the proposed contracts (2), from only the first 12 oilfields to be developed. These estimates, based on conservative assumptions, represent between two and seven times the current Iraqi government budget.
# Under the likely terms of the contracts, oil company rates of return from investing in Iraq would range from 42% to 162%, far in excess of usual industry minimum target of around 12% return on investment.
Thousands of Iraqis fled the country before the war too. Saddam liked to kill people and their families.
'In Saddam's time I never saw a friend killed in front of my eyes. I never saw neighbours driven out of their homes just for their sect. And I never saw entire families being slaughtered and killed'
Saad was a conscript in Saddam’s army when US tanks rolled into Baghdad in April 2003. He deserted, went home and celebrated with his family. “We were dancing. I felt like I was reborn,” he said. He dreamt of getting a job at the airport that might let him travel.
Anas stopped wearing jeans after hearing of women being killed or beaten for wearing Western clothes. Then she had to give up driving. Soon she could no longer go shopping or to the hairdresser. She stopped wearing make-up in public. She had to start wearing a veil and then an abbayah when she went out. Eventually she felt unable to leave the house at all.