I've been meaning to get to this for a while so, I'll just do it now. Currently, I'm reading a book called "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn. It is from 1492-Clinton Era. it debunks all the crap you've been force fed andI gotta hear from "you people."

Here is what people say about it:

Amazon.com
Consistently lauded for its lively, readable prose, this revised and updated edition of A People's History of the United States turns traditional textbook history on its head. Howard Zinn infuses the often-submerged voices of blacks, women, American Indians, war resisters, and poor laborers of all nationalities into this thorough narrative that spans American history from Christopher Columbus's arrival to an afterword on the Clinton presidency....

If your last experience of American history was brought to you by junior high school textbooks--or even if you're a specialist--get ready for the other side of stories you may not even have heard. With its vivid descriptions of rarely noted events, A People's History of the United States is required reading for anyone who wants to take a fresh look at the rich, rocky history of America."

Publisher's Weekly
"Zinn's work is an vital corrective to triumphalist accounts, but his uncompromising radicalism shades, at times, into cynicism. Zinn views the Bill of Rights, universal suffrage, affirmative action and collective bargaining not as fundamental (albeit imperfect) extensions of freedom, but as tactical concessions by monied elites to defuse and contain more revolutionary impulses; voting, in fact, is but the most insidious of the "controls."

But, this all hinges on the hope that you have something beyond the 8th grade reading level.... or else I'm just...

...Of FICTION... Well MOSTLY fiction... He does get some of the dates correct and for that I am willing to suspend direct judgment a little...

Colonel has it STILL NOT occurred to you that there are POWERS at play here that are PURELY self motivated? ONLY interested in the POWER they can gain from YOUR labor/dedication?

PEACE...
m...

Lies My Teacher Told...by Dr. James W. Loewen, another good read along similar lines probably available at your local library..

Originally posted by Springer
...Of FICTION... Well MOSTLY fiction... He does get some of the dates correct and for that I am willing to suspend direct judgment a little...

Colonel has it STILL NOT occurred to you that there are POWERS at play here that are PURELY self motivated? ONLY interested in the POWER they can gain from YOUR labor/dedication?

PEACE...
m...

this....proves to be my worst fear, what if all the whining and protesting results in a liberacy-motivated leader this time round...the extreme opposite of bush is NOT what i'd want, living on this side of the hemisphere
*the irony of it all*
the U.S needs to find some1 with a fairly intellectual point of view on difficult matters, another BC perhaps?

preferably not a "punch first ask Q's later lout, why would you assume my refferring to bush??
we...as an opposition do so much to discourage his followers, when one fails to comprehend it's sheer uselessness to appoint an inteligent when the mass follow bush'es every word, and blindly support his actions(im refferring to the start of the war...i know no1 wants him as pres. anymore
all in all, i think it's useless colonel...a liberal community is too far off to ever regain, what with the present situation
annoyed with the mass
Cyrus

im not even sure if we could ever have a decent president with morals and such....he probably either would never even make it to the white house but if he did he probably would step on to many toes and get shot in a hurry..

[Edited on 11-15-2003 by sirCyco]

Originally posted by Colonel
Recommeded Reading for the Repugnant

It's ONLY Democraps BS.

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix

Originally posted by Colonel
Recommeded Reading for the Repugnant

It's ONLY Democraps BS.

as russian calls them DEMONcrats...see colonel anyone can do the insult game. still as pathetic as your repugnant term though....

i'm not interested in reading stuff from liberals and democrats putting their own spin on things much as i dont read things from conservatives as they do the same thing....but colonel will deny this and say its all lies and call me a repugnant again...(and will be wrong once again)

both sides claim to be telling US the "truth" but all they are giving us is their version of the truth, usually with little bits of information that while seem minute and insignificant can change the entire context of what they are telling us.

this is like a convicted felon having his cellmate as a "character witness" at his parole hearing...you KNOW he's going to lie for his buddy!

try again colonel, try harder.

well if you where open minded enough to actually read the books before writing them off as worthless you probably would learn alot...atleast the one i mentioned talks about everything from the certain people to things like the genocide on the indians...it is far from politcal...it is for those who wish to obtain the truth through knowledge...read it yourself...pick out what you think is credible...then why dont you coment on how worthless these books are...

Originally posted by sirCyco
well if you where open minded enough to actually read the books before writing them off as worthless you probably would learn alot...atleast the one i mentioned talks about everything from the certain people to things like the genocide on the indians...it is far from politcal...it is for those who wish to obtain the truth through knowledge...read it yourself...pick out what you think is credible...then why dont you coment on how worthless these books are...

who are you referring to?
PM i hope
this could bring wonders'...a few more arguments on PM's part and who knows....political debates could be claimed interesting
j/k...im as crazy about politics as colonel is, he seems to have that certain etiquette PM despises so much.
let's see Fury get mixed up in all of this
Cordially
Cyrus

Originally posted by sirCyco
well if you where open minded enough to actually read the books before writing them off as worthless you probably would learn alot...atleast the one i mentioned talks about everything from the certain people to things like the genocide on the indians...it is far from politcal...it is for those who wish to obtain the truth through knowledge...read it yourself...pick out what you think is credible...then why dont you coment on how worthless these books are...

is YOUR name on this board colonel?

no?

then i wasnt directing my comments at you was i?

nope! surely wasnt.

switch to decaf.

yes i was primarily referring to PM...but anybody that would judge a book by its cover is a fool in my opinion....

i apologize to those who my posts didnt belong too.....and i dont drink coffee..

THE AMERICANS - A National Experience. By Daniel J. Boorstin

"This is the history of a nation "beginning again and again, under men's eyes." I can only repeat that this is a fine book - controversial certainly, but a courageous and most exciting work."
New York Times Book Review

I read the Americans and the Zinn book...in high school. They are exceedingly well written, contain a lot of information, and in the Zinn case at least, have such a bias that what information it does have is almost unusable.

Did you read this book or just copy and paste from Amazon? Yet again Colonels posts are all hot air

THE AMERICANS - A National Experience. By Daniel J. Boorstin

Yes I read it, and enjoyed it. It gave me a different perspective on how the actions of the common man can cause and effect the laws of the land.

Originally posted by ThePrankMonkey
i'm not interested in reading stuff from liberals and democrats putting their own spin on things much as i dont read things from conservatives as they do the same thing....but colonel will deny this and say its all lies and call me a repugnant again...(and will be wrong once again)

both sides claim to be telling US the "truth" but all they are giving us is their version of the truth, usually with little bits of information that while seem minute and insignificant can change the entire context of what they are telling us.

this is like a convicted felon having his cellmate as a "character witness" at his parole hearing...you KNOW he's going to lie for his buddy!

try again colonel, try harder.

So, the genocide of an entire race of Arawak Indians (10 million) in the West Indies is just fluff. The death of 45 million African slaves on the voyage to the "new world" is just spin. The ideology that formented the US Constitution is just so much nonsense for the "liberals." We can ignore that.

You are such a simpleton. I don't even know why I bother.

Originally posted by Dreamstone
Did you read this book or just copy and paste from Amazon? Yet again Colonels posts are all hot air

I am reading it now---hence my new tag line near the avatar.

45 million? Do the math, Colonel. Yes, that is total and pure feces. Think about the time, think about the number of ships, think about the number of trips, Heck, you moron, think about the number of people on the continent then and the percentage that would have been taken then.

That has already been debunked time and time again by people who have self-controlled minds. It is bullcrap thrown out for the mind-controlled liberal yap-dogs to regurgitate, just as you are doing.
So, this is a book we need to read? Doesn't sound like it. I don't need lies and myths clogging up my brain. I stick with the simple truths.

Hey. I have some reading ideas for you. The constitution, the Bill of Rights and the KJV (and this time actually allow the Holy Spirit guide you). After you comprehend those, come back and I'll give you some more suggestions, Esquire. While you're at it, Esquire, flip to the constitution, Article 1-9-8. William Shakepear was correct, it is the first thing we must do.

To say the least, 45 million is wrong. Where did you get that number Colonel? Number of mags in Clinton's "Adult collection".

45 million could not possibly die on the voyage over. There are not even 45 million African Americans in the states today. Before you post liberal hyperbole like that again think, because people on this board will just show how full of hot air your statements are.