Even that has its psychological components as well.

However, in High Magick they were used as tools.

i actually tried sigils, and find them quite useful.
the psychological aspect in this is that you create the idea in your mind and put it into a sigil. the sigil represents this idea to your subconcious- at least this is what ive come to experience it as. it may be different to others

thanks jb1 btw
the things i post about are the things that matter to me. i dont claim to know anything about military action or politics, or stuff like that so sorry if anyone finds my subjects limited.

Really pleased you're back Kim.
There are some forums I don't venture into and there are some,like this one,I only ever dip my toes into.
The beauty of this board is that there is a place for almost everyone.

(g)

Ditto to what JB said.

the things i post about are the things that matter to me. i dont claim to know anything about military action or politics, or stuff like that so sorry if anyone finds my subjects limited.

That proves that you're smart enough not to go shooting off about things you don't know about.

About magick. I have dabbled a little, and find that it is psychological. However, when we make ourselves believe that we have powers not yet explained by science, we are only really enabling ourselves to use these powers. Everyone has them, but you have to believe you have them before you can use them.

That's something I have trouble with when Lucid Dreaming (which is closely related to Astral Projecting). I'm fine until I try to change things. When things are good, I can change things at will because my mind is at rest. When I'm having a nightmare (in a low part of the Astral Plane), it's hard for me to change things because I'm very often frightened and I have to concentrate on change, believe that I can change my environment, while overcoming fear. In the end, it's a psychological excercise, and I assume that other magickal practices are similarly psychological.

1: what the hells "High Magick" byrd. Please feel free to elaborate on how it differs from, say, magic.
2: why are people using an old english spelling of magic? why aren't you using the modern one, for that matter if your going to use an older variation why not "magk" "majic" or "maygic"

The spelling "magic" is used in literature and usually denotes a condescending or skeptical view of paranormal abilities.

The spelling "magick" was favored by Aliester Crowley, and is usually favored by those who believe that such phenomena exist.

really?
wow.
if I was seriously interested in Magic I'd have thought I'd want to distance myself as much as possible from Mr Crowley.....y'know, seeing as he was

A) mad
B) a compulsive lier
C) a hopeless alchoholic
D) eventually conceeded that he'd made everything in his books up and admitted that most of it was simply done in order to have sex with underaged girlys.

I don't know where you got D, and the first three were brought about by his ostracization (is that a word??) from British ure due to his unconventional belief system.

Check out his archaeological finds in Egypt and read "The Occult Conspiracy" and you'll find what a truly fascinating man he was.

[Edited on 11-18-2002 by ~iluv2act~]

i can answer Lupes question.
Magic is used by stage performers- rabbits out of hats etc. it is illusion
Magick is occult stuff-the psychological and the unexplained. the 'k' is just used by magicians to tell the two apart.

Isn't it simply an archaic spelling of the same word?
think it is y'know..........In my opinion it tends to simply be a slightly more pretentious way of saying the same thing in order to make oneself seem more knowledgable concerning the subject....

bit like the twats who spell vampire "Vampyre", and fairy "faery"

acceptable but outdated spellings.

i agree with the vampyre/faery thing- that is a bit dodgy. but the magick/k thing is meant for 2 different things.

Eh, I tend to use "magick" when others use that spelling. I remember (in the 70's) when it became the vogue. Those of us who'd been doing it for awhile just sort of rolled our eyes, but went along with it.

High Magick/Magic is ceremonial magick, similar to what John Dee practiced.

Been there. Incanted that.

"Been there. Incanted that."

LOL might just have to get that on a T-Shirt.

Byrd is right. magic is a way to change your own reality. it is a way to focus your thoughts and can be verry powerfull. there is a litle bit of selfprogramming in it but also are the rituals a way to make yourself believe you can do it.

Just as reiky. i have done all the courses and found out that the thing was all about placing certain symbols in the aura. these highly secret symbold were not to be shown to others and you had to learn then from head and burn the papers.

so all that bollocks for healing with your hands. after the rituals i felt strong and powered.. but i knew that was only becouse i believed it or made it happen..

reiky is magic. you dont need to be initiated to heal with hands.. it only makes it easier to believe in yourself.

if you are feeling down and out of energie try this:

wake up early and go outside to pick some flowers.. lavender would be best.
take a waterbottle and write on it "PURE ENERGY" fill the bottle with water. put it in the light of the sun for a few hours and go for a round to walk about outside. drink from the bottle everyday. fill it with fresh water everytime it is empty. i can asure you it works!!!!!!!!!

a woman with longcancer did the same thing with her medicin. she wrote on her medicinebottle PURE LOVE. she had one of those spontanius healings (dont know the right word sorry)

Spot

who knows about the story that alister crowly is shown on a pictue as a young man togheter with others thatwere supposed be dead a long time ago? it had something to do with the philidelphia project.. my boyfriend told me about it.. ahhh my memory is bad!

i believe the highpriests in the vatican use a high form of magic. to penitrate demensions??time?
why not. the rituals of the cristians give me the creeps as it is...

i have studied magick for quite a while too, and i have come to believe that it is more than just phycology. (grr cant spell). I see magick as focusing and controlling your own i dont know, i guess the best word is Înergies" which sounds cheesy but i dont know any other word to use. To create a physical manifestation or somehow alter the course of a life. Wow...im not sure if that came out right. Well before i humiliate myself even more ill leave to let somone else continue this....

kim.

The question you pose about why some one would fall ill because of a spell put on them even if they weren't told about it.

Perhaps in certain cultures for every action there is an (expected) reaction.

If you commit a crime in some cultures, you know before hand what the punishment will be should you be caught.

(You are taught this from a young age.)

Should you deviate from what is acceptable in your community, the community or tribe will hand down it's judgement on you.


Knowing this, perhaps the person is riddled with guilt and expectation of what is to come.

And this overwellming guilt and worry is what makes the person sick. ?

Just a thought. !

Good theory, but have we considered that such magickal practices might actually work?

Quaneeri,

good theory BUT
i have read (which may or may not be true- it depends on the magician) that when a ritual takes place, it should be forgotten about- or shoved into the subconcious. there are techniques for this that the magician practices before they start doing magick. so the guilt wouldnt really affect them if this was true and also, how would the magicians guilt lead to the destruction of the target? or are you suggesting a coincidence?