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Originally posted by testingatheory
A question begining with "what if...?" usually implies that the answer might be a specific attempt to explain what would happen, in the sistuation in question, if say, as in this case, the counter point, was wrong. It might look someting like this:
I'd say "Hey StellarX, old buddy, old pal. Could it be that oil is being phased out?"
You'd say "Nope, don't think so testingatheory, and here is why...blah, blah,blah"
Then I'd say "Hmmm. But what if your wrong? What say you then?"
And you'd reply "Well, if I were wrong, as I used to be quite often, then here are some ideas about what ramifications might be instore for us. But I dont think Im wrong."
Then I'd say "Well well well, StellarX, you old dog you, looks like were gonna have to agree to dissagree, but I nevertheless thank you for your thoughtfull ideas"
It kind of just sounds like your using lots of words to say "Yes, I could be wrong, but don't point out the obvious". Sounds like the answer to a question that I never asked (ie Could you be wrong?)
See? put 'em in order and it makes sense "Could you be wrong?" "Yes, I could be wrong, but don't point out the obvious"
So there ya go, thats the difference, understand?
As for being condecending, well, thats someting that is usually detected by the party that is being condedecend upon,(that'ed be me) not the one who is condecending(thats you).
However, concerning this post specifically, I am satisfactorily aware that now I am being condecending also.
Originally posted by StellarX
Why should they sell their natural resources for the price YOU want? Who invested in developing the infrastructure?
It has nothing to do with price as it assumes exploitation for profit? Nationalize American oil reserves and take half the military budget to develop it; they will have the cheapest oil in the world.
Do you really think such a program is based on their theft of some critical American corporate 'technology' that America could not see sense in exploiting themselves? Explain the logic employed for me could not find it...
It's not hard as much as it's private with little or no government backing.
The Brazilian government have been investing in bio fuels since the early 70's and there is no chance that the industry will collapse even if the oil price slumps back to 8 dollars. Independence is worth almost any price for some nations.
If Europeans stopped trying to manipulate the entire continent things might improve but their still attempting coup's and generally inspiring genocide like it's 1754.
Completely over exploited ( by the west ) is what they are....
Apparently 21 million Iraqi's is too much to handle so one wonders what 1.4 billion Chinese or 250 million Indonesians might have to say about the matter.
Originally posted by Aramco
]muhlis, right on brother...but I do not think it is fair for america to sit idle on the africa situation...as of now, the british, and primarily the british, along with france have a tight hold on africa's various holdings. there is a lot of land and resource to develop and exploit.
at some point in time the extraction of resources in asia will become less economical than it would to do the same from africa. we owe it to our children.
because i said so and the USofA!
how old are you? do you think that is a reasonable idea?
In America, we do not nationalize and the dod budget is for the dod.
uhhh...let me think...YES!!@ Schluburger, FMC, Halliburton, Exxon, DutchShell, BP, etc. The world's largest and most technologically involved oil companies and equipment manufacturers have their major operations in America, primarily Houston.
The Saudis did not have the capabilities to drill for oil, it was the brits that gave them and the rest of the middle east the technology. The same thing happens now with America. Look at Nigeria and Angola in Africa. These companies cannot drill for oil on their own!
No, the british will not allow canada to process oil because it is their oil.
but first and for most is the canadian companies do not have the capabilities to drill on their own and the economy does not yet exist.
Correct, the only chance the industry collapses is when the brazilians run out of top soil or the manufacturing cost to produce fertilizers becomes uneconomical.
Why would they want to stop?
poor indonesians, all they wanted to do was exploit their monopolies on the spice trade..
came to bite them in the ass for being so stubborn and arrogant.
Absolutely nothing. Because the growth of those two economies, much like india and africa, depends soley on european and us investment, much like japan and south korea.
It is the way the world turns. First Europeans began to trade spices with the indonesians,
then the africans and chinese. but everyone of them got a case of the red ass because the europeaners would not sell their fire arms or any of their metal weapons or almost any metal technology they had, so the red ass chinese and everyone else thought it would be cute to attack and kill and thieve from these european merchants.
This is what they deserve for being such savages. they had better learn to settle the # down.
Originally posted by MonkeyCitizen
The initial Q was if oil is being phased out... and i think it is.
I belive scientists and oilcompanies now have the correct numbers of how
much oil there is left and they have started to act on those numbers by doing their own research on alt. fuels.
They are the ones with the assets and tech and they sure wanna have something to sell when the oil is gone.
New developed techs is making it possible to covert 1 ton of rest products - from crops such as cornstalks and hay - into 250 liters (66 gal) 99.9% ethanol to a price of 0.34$ per/litre or 1.28$ per/gal. (Although the ethanol only has 70% of the energy content of gasoline. But what the heck... those 66 gal still takes your car 1770 miles)
Add 20-30 cent in tax, 20-25 cents in distribution and marketing, and there is still a margin for profit.
So... Yes the oil is being phased out. It has just started.
I belive biofuels are the future.
Batteries might be a soulution for cars, but try to run a
747 on batteries and see how far u get