Couple charge under patriot act for kissing?

Some of you guys are so "anti-Patriot Act" that you are blinded to the facts. They are NOT being charged because of their sexual behavior! They are being charged under the Patriot Act for threatening a flight attendant and failing to do what they were told!! This is illegal (interference with a crew member) and they deserve punishment. How much punishment will ultimately be determined through the legal process.

My guess is they will plea down to a lesser charge/sentence (this is what people do who are guilty). They deserve every bit of punishment they get!!!

Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum
Some of you guys are so "anti-Patriot Act" that you are blinded to the facts.

No that is not right, you are wrong, the patriot act, from the time that was enacted on the false pretenses of been for the sole purpose to fight terrorism and terrorist act in the US soil has been also an instrument to more hidden purposes.

The fact that now we have seen to what extent this unconstitutional act can be mis used, misinterpreted and abuse is clear in the case of the couple that was charged under.

This is not some random cases anymore, is blatantly clear that without further legislation the abuses will become an everyday part of our lives in which we are going to forget that we have a constitution that was made to protect our rights, no the patriot act.

We have a new congress and the american people needs to bring this to their attention.

Well it seems that the threatening challenge against the flight attendant was not of bodily harm . . . but that was intended to her superior against her behavior.

Persing's lawyer William Peregoy said his client was not feeling well when he placed his head on his companion's lap, and that he only threatened the flight attendant with reporting him to his superiors on landing.

Now . . . how threatened the fight attendant felt by Parsing possible report that she needed the patriot act to protect her.

www.news.com.au...

The couple is so dangerous in their overly loving manner that they need surveillance until trial.

This is just ridiculous.

osram, watch this

All the facts of this case still have yet to be made fully public; but there are a few things we do know: This couple was engaged in behavior that made the other passengers feel uncomfortable.

Indeed. Stupidity makes me uncomfortable for example, specifically because at one point in our countries history, in stead of it being considered to be embarrassing, it became the norm.

It happened right around the time when every nimrod was empowered by a social engineering concept was popularized into what now we know as an "opinion".

In fact, the modern interpretation of the "opinion", is the right of any given individual to present his/hers views on a topic that they have absolutely no information nor knowledge of.

Flight attendants are required to respond when that happens. The FA asked the couple to stop the behavior they were engaged in.

Naturally flight attendants are highly trained in topics such as behaviorism, social psycho-dynamics and inter-group relations. Ever since 9/11 flight attendants are no longer passenger attendant, they all immediately became vigilant crime fighters, trained to recognize "unpatriotic behavior", and act upon it accordingly.

I wonder, since their duties expanded so drastically into the field of national security, why they didn't get new badges, something like a skull with bones or something.

In any case, the behavior such as taking a nap in your loved ones lap is completely unacceptable in the post 9/11 reality. All passenger should bit seated in their seats as instructed, at 90 degree angle, with hand placed on the knees. Since any hand gestures could be considered as an attempt to detonate some sort of explosive, why not introduce Hannibal Lecter type restrain system, and just have passenger loaded on the plane like mean on the meat truck?

At this point, if the couple had simply complied with the FA's instructions, this thread would not exist today.

When a police officer orders a young women to undress, all she had to do not to get shot is to obey the instructions of the officer. Any issue of excessive force would have been fairly dolt with in court proceedings if they were necessary. Since the young lady chose to disregard the instruction of the officer, in fear for his safety he had no other choice but to unload his clip right in to her.

Sounds familiar? DICTATORSHIP!

Apparently, the male half of the couple bacame verbally obstinant and abusive. At this point, they are "interfering with a crew member", and deserve whatever punishment comes their way.

Well, if Freedom_for_sum is in fact engaged in a relationship, I take it he would have no problem if the lady in the above mentioned scenario was his lady, and if the above mentioned officer ordered her to undress for "security reasons", he would be only proud to be a good citizen and help his lady to get out of her clothes faster.

"Here you go officer, would you like to examine her a bit closer? A cavity search maybe? Come on Hun, it's for our countries security, spread'em for the good officer!".

What a guy!

Iskander's hyperbolic and meaningless diatribe aside; previous charges of this nature rarely led to anything more than a slap on the wrist. I, for one, welcome any punitive measure that puts teeth into charges levied against "self-loading baggage!!

Oh, how cute! Mr. Freedom, have you ever been interrogated? Just wondering, because I bet your the type of a fella that would just love having his life pried into by an official.

How boring your daily existence must be.

"Ladies and Gentlemen; we'll be cruising at 35,000 feet. Now; Sit down; shut up; and enjoy your in-flight magazine!!"

THANK YOU PATRIOT ACT!!!

Javol mine Capitan!

Sieg hail , hail Hitler! Sieg hail , hail Hitler! Long live the third Reich!

p.s. We're going to need more prisons, so let's just take Arizona and convert it to a "Entire State Prison", and send all of the "offenders" there.

Freedom_for_sum, your density offends me, off you go, come on, get going, 10 years for "opinions", that what I say, why? Cause I'm a bigger patriot then you are.

How intelligent you are to equate the natural and beautiful act of a woman feeeding her child to......the erotic behavior of this couple on the aircraft.

How intelligent were the people that found that very natural act of a MOTHER feeding her child to be sexually offensive, resulting in her being kicked of the plane.

Freedom_for_sum, news flash, it was a REAL occurrence.

Let me quite you on this one;

All the facts of this case still have yet to be made fully public

So people that are REALLY hard up, obviously because they are simply not getting any, see a happy couple, get spiteful, and complain.

Look at you, "erotic behavior of this couple on the aircraft", ohhh, kinky, erotic behavior, really? What happened to the facts that are not available? What exactly are you motivated by here?

Don't make me go Freudian on you, because I can.

The flight attendants I know would simply explain to the "offended passengers" that this mother has the right to feed her child and offer an empty seat elsewhere (excluding first class of course) on the aircraft.

Oh that is truly hilarious! Freedom_for_sum, are you familiar with a term hypocrite? Because you nailed it!

What kind of a sick, perverted, and hopelessly twisted psycho does one have to be to find breast feeding offensive? Are you kidding me? Literally the most natural act, the very lining of life it self, a mother nurturing a new life, labeled as offensive?

All people that think that way REQUIRE intensive psychiatric treatment, and this is not a joke, I'm being completely serious.

Failing that; the "offended passenger" would have the right to complain upon landing. Simple....Solved.....No Patriot Act required here--unless the offended passenger became obsitnant!!

Truly words of a mind that has no comprehension of self respect. Let me put it this way. Not to long ago, certain people were forced to sit in the back of a bus, and if they complained they would have been arrested and through in jail, but hey, if they wanted to complain, they were free to do so after they got of the bus.

You see Mr. Freedom, some people found the color of the other peoples skin to be offensive, and I see that you find a lot of appeal in that concept. So how about it?

I suggest that if you don't like the "nazi regime" (interesting you're comparing a brutal regime responsible for the murder of 6 million people to flight attendents who are simply trying to keep order) that you take the train next time.

Wow are those words familiar. They same words were actually said to millions of "lesser" people by Nazis, and those people did end up taking trains, and ended up in ovens.

By the way, the 6 million you mentioned were not the only ones stuffed in trains, look into that, because Slavs, Gypsies, and all other Eastern Europeans that were slaughtered numbered in TENS of millions.

THREAD HIJACK ALERT!!!! These drugs were illegal long before the Patriot Act.

That's true, COCA COLA really brought COCAINE to the masses Mr. Freedom.

Another artist of hyperbole. Funny thing: When left-wingers lose the ability to make logical arguments they lose all sense of reason and resort to extreme exageration that is both irrelevent and meaningless.

I'm not a left-winger, but you I can make, so Mr. Freedom, try me, Fight-Club anytime.

If you're going to argue about generalities of the Patriot Act; find or create the thread where you can do that. This thread is about this couple's behavior on the airplane (interfering with a crew member--not the "erotic" behavior they were doing).

Interfering with the crew?

I'll explain it again.

"Excuse me man, you have to move back to the bus, this ares is for white people."

Then comes this -

"You see officer, I told this negro woman to obey the law and move back to the bus, but she refused and offended our passengers, please arrest and take her of the bus, so our passenger will feel better, thank you."

While on an aircraft, unless you're asking for a beverage or the like YOU DON'T QUESTION AUTHORITY.

While on segregated bus, "YOU DON'T QUESTION (redneck) AUTHORITY"

Passengers in general have no clue about the sorts of things that can put their, and others', safety at risk.

People in general have to be herded like cattle, because they are silly, helpless creatures with no sense.

I'd like to emphasize that while flying, you're moving along in an alluminum tube at approximately 500 MPH at an altitude where you would pass out in less than 30 seconds if exposed; and the only thing separating you from this kinetic mayhem is a few micrometers of sheetmetal and /or plastic.

And naturally a man taking a nap on his girls lap places the safety of the entire plane at risk, because the fuselage of the plane might mistake that harmless nap as an erotically arousing act of oral sex and spontaneously decompress, resulting in catastrophic loss of cabin pressure.

Your really making a lot of sense there buddy, keep it up.

While many believe flight attendants are only there to serve you drinks, they have been specifically trained for the purpose of maintaining safety in the cabin. As a crew member OR a passenger my hope is that any obstinant/abusive passenger would be removed from the flight and charged.

You're just petty, that's all. I bet you're the type of a guy to call the cops on your neighbors just because they are having fun, and then enjoy peeking through the blinds to see them get busted, because you your self spend your time watching fake wrestling and eating TV dinners.

I'd like to add to this discussion a couple rhetorical questions: What would you do if I and my girlfriend came over to your house and started engaging in erotic/sexual behavior, in front of your family and friends, in your living room floor?

Whip out a camcorder and start drooling over the ten grand I'll be sure to win on Americas Funniest Home videos, because if you think that a guy taking a nap on his girlfriends lap is erotic, the entire country will be laughing hysterically when they'll see what you actually consider to be sex.

Just because you paid for that seat, for that flight, doesn't mean it's yours to do anything you want while sitting in it; especially argue with crew members!!

Well then the crew members should have whips to snap the passengers in line, and have a big drum in the front to set the rhythm for everybody.

Defend themselves from what, exactly? A flight attendant asking them to stop their behavior?

How about this. A passenger is sleeping with his mouth open, and another passenger finds the odor imitating from the sleeping passengers breath to be offensive.

He calls up a flight attendant and states that it's just to offensive.

Flight attendant wakes up the sleeping passenger, and announces that his breath is just to offensive, and he has to stop it.

The "offensive" passenger rubs his eyes open, trying to figure out what's going on and why he was awaken, and when he realizes that it was because of his breath, he begins explaining that the airline he's flying overbooked his original flight, forced him to miss his connecting flight, and that it's the third day that he's trying to get home, and the airline simply did not care even to provide him with complimentary toiletries, so it's not his problem to begin with, and why in the hell was he woken up in the first place since do to incompetence of the airline could not get any sleep for over 24 hours to begin with!

Whoops! Big mistake! He expressed his FEELINGS about his MISTREATMENT to the flight attendant OFFICER, and now he'll have to be PROSECUTED under the "Patriot Act", with a possibility of getting a 20 year sentence.

America, the only country in the world that values Freedom and Justice for All above all else! That's my home!

Just make sure not to take a nap on your girls nap or have bad breath, or offend anybody for that matter, because in that case your liable to get 20 years in prison.

The price for sweet, sweet freedom....

It isn't. Interfering with a crew member is. And just so we're on the same page: Here is an article that describes the man's behavior toward the flight attendant

Good , the story changes! So they were kissing, and displaying affection in public. How unnatural that must be. Two people in love, can't keep away from each other, wow, what a disgrace.

I guess these days a prostitutes and or pornography in a secluded setting is what America is all about.

How dare young people be in Love and in public? Throw them in jail immediately!

Forget about the natural MALE reaction of hostility when someone CHALLENGES their primal drive of procreation, and attempts to stop them from being with their mate.

Mr. Freedom_for_sum, why don't you set up an experiment. Find a bitch in heat, and pair her with a big, strong male dog. As soon as they start getting into it, go ahead and try to pull that male away from his gal and see what happens.

Good luck with that, make sure to cover your privates, and if you are the kind of a guy that will submit to anybody that tells you to stop being affectionate to your girl, I only feel sorry for the girl.

Whatever they were doing the other passengers were uncomfortable with it. Flight crews don't want passengers/customers uncomfortable. A relaxed/comfortable environment in the aircraft is what crewmebers strive to achieve.

Great point! Who were the other passengers? How many of them were there? Furthermore, how pathetic a person has to be if they can't see other people in LOVE?

It's a lot like this ;"Oh, nobody loves me, and just looks at those two, filthy perverts, sitting there, kissing and liking each other, like they are better then everybody else, well I'll show them!."

They were asked once, apparently politely, because they complied with the attendant's request to stop. Despite the request, they continued their behavior and resumed their inappropriate behavior.

Come on Mr. Freedom_for_sum, how about this. You are having a romantic time with your girls, things get heated, and then there's a knock on your door. Your neighbor is there complaining that your fun time is just bothering him, and he find it offensive.

You tell him it's non of his business, and that he better leave if he doesn't want any trouble.

He calls the cops telling them that you threatened him, and you get arrested right before your done.

Enjoy the Freedom there bud.

....or else what?!?---is the question that's begging to be asked. If I heard a passenger utter these words, I would be very concerned!!

Or else what? Or I'll tell you that it's none of your business if I'm kissing my girl, that's what. Was there any indecent exposure there? No, because they would have been charged with it, so the only thing they were doing was kissing and being affectionate, and apparently these day it's a crime in America.

This man threatened the flight attendant which is utterly unacceptable!!! He should consider himself lucky he didn't get bound for the remainder of the flight. It's my hope that they get punished severely for it.

Well when you got your bat ready for a home run hit, and some prick is pounding on your door telling you to knock it off, tell that to the cop when he tell you that he's arresting you for making threats.

You're not even properly interpretting the "external source" your quoting. So I will do that for you:

"A federal complaint says the couple was "embracing kissing and acting in a manner that made other passengers uncomfortable.""

Bold added for emphasis. What you're not acknowledging here is this man was either attempting to perform or simulating performing, oral sex on his girl friend. Can you, at the very least, acknowledge that this behavior is inappropriate on an airliner?

Well here's our problem, we just don't have clear rules and regulations that clearly describe the legal way to engage in affectionate behavior.

As soon as those are printed up and included with the safety pamphlets, I'm sure all such problems can be avoided in the future.

By the way, nowhere did I see anything about "either attempting to perform or simulating performing, oral sex on his girl friend".

Again, no indecent exposure charges were filed, so don't even go there.

In any case; this is NOT about what the couple was doing. If it were, they would have been in trouble from the begining. They got in trouble AFTER defying and threatening a flight crewmember. In your world that may be acceptable. In mine--it's not.

Spoken like a true wimp. Guys that wimp out when somebody tells them that they are not allowed to kiss their mate simply do not deserve the right to procreate.

And you still refuse to acknowledge that oral sex in the public's view, whether real or simulated, is inappropriate behavior. This is precisely what they were "doing". Go do your own research. Saying that he was "napping" in her lap is simply a lawyer talking to save his client!!

Mr. Freedom, it sure seems like you desperately want to experience some actual oral sex instead of just dreaming about it. You see, considering what you said there, it sure seems like you have absolutely no idea what it's all about, because for people that do know it's simply not a big deal.

Good luck to you man, life is your ouster, in this case literally

Let's see: Yes your honor; we were embracing and kissing when I suddenly felt the urge to take a nap and place my head between her legs!!!

Yeah, that's just embarrassing. Mr. Freedom_for_sum, I recommend looking up some basic anatomy, or better yet, there's an instructional manual of sorts out there for these kinds of things, it's called Kama Sutra, look it up and figure things out for your self there.

Even though I said it before, I'll try to make clearer this time. Unless that guy escaped from the Island of Dr. Maroe and is a half-man and half ant-eater, the alleged oral sex is just not happening.

Benevolent Heretic, right on man.

Thanks for the vote osram.

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[edit on 26-11-2006 by iskander]

I really don't understand the argument above. I mean if enough people start complaining about a person's suspected sex act during a plane ride...then action should be taken. It's disgusting and against the law. Although I don't quite understand how the Patriot Act would come into act here, I assume it's because they were in an airport. However these days with the type of security there are in airports why would you be so stupid and continue after being told not to by a flight attendant or airport official.
As far as the whole dog analogy, I suspected people were above their primal instincts if you are not then perhaps you do belong in jail or belong in a cave with a pack of wolves, because this is a civilized society we live in.

[edit on 26-11-2006 by laiguana]

Apparently this is the real crime that has threatened the security of our very nation.

Persing was seen nuzzling or kissing Sewell on the neck and 'elsewhere' and was seen to be smiling, according to an indictment filed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

www.news.com.au...

Throw these terrorists into prison forever and make sure that they are tortured until they admit that kissing and smiling are acts of terror upon the state. Were at war dammit.

[edit on 26-11-2006 by In nothing we trust]

I mean if enough people start complaining about a person's suspected sex act during a plane ride...then action should be taken. It's disgusting and against the law.

Oh my God, I'm suspecting that a fellow sitting in E13 is thinking of a sex act! Quick, call the authorities, because "It's disgusting and against the law"!

That's OK laiguana, when you grow up it won't seem disgusting anymore, on the contrary, it'll be something you'll find very hard not to think about.

As far as the whole dog analogy, I suspected people were above their primal instincts if you are not then perhaps you do belong in jail or belong in a cave with a pack of wolves, because this is a civilized society we live in.

Same as above. When your hormones and testosterone start flowing, then you'll understand.

Apparently this is the real crime that has threatened the security of our very nation.

Dang right, who the heck they think they are? Showing all those signs of affection, how inconsiderate they are to all of the emotionally crippled Americans that can't stand seeing other people being happy.

For crying out loud.

Throw these terrorists into prison forever and make sure that they are tortured until they admit that kissing and smiling are acts of terror upon the state. Were at war dammit.

I second that, in fact, I say let's organize a "nuzzling and kissing watch" brigade, give them arm bands, sticks, binoculars, stung guns and the authority to punish all offenders on sight and with extreme prejudice.

Naturally all of the members would be the guys that can't get laid in a whore house with a fist full of 20s, but hey, they'll be ever so vigilant when other people are, and do their "Patriot Act" duty by pushing around whom ever they can.

To the people that seriously try to somehow explain and justify such ridiculous ABUSE of power by all the "Patriot Act" crazies, one word, PATHETIC.

My previous post seems a tad to long, how can I split it up?

Thanks in a advance.

iskander or whatever, to assume I'm a minor simply because I disagree with the public conduct of a person is absurd. What I find even more absurd is that people do not question the mental maturity of this couple. They're in their 40s and acting like a couple of teenagers that just 'don't care' what other people think of them.
Sex in public is against the law, public exposure is also against the law.
If you let 'hormones and testosterone' get in the way of civilized behavior than you DO belong in jail because that's the same excuse rapists use.
The airport did a fantastic job with these ill-behaved people, they should learn some manners when in public. And I highly doubt they'll spend more than a couple hours in jail if at all.

The problem is that they denied having sex, just because somebody felt uncomfortable for their overly display of affection, that is where the complain was made.

But right now this is getting out of control. First people get targeted by the way the look, how they do their prayers and how ydress, this needs to stop.

We need rules that will put the patriot act under the guides of what it was made for, not for anybody else with some given authority to misuse it at will.

BTW the fight attendant was a male.

Originally posted by laiguana

Sex in public is against the law, public exposure is also against the law.

Oh come on now. It doesnt matter how tasteless it is, or how much it is against the law. It is not terror. the purpose of this thread is to show that yes the patriot act would be abused.

If you let 'hormones and testosterone' get in the way of civilized behavior than you DO belong in jail because that's the same excuse rapists use.

They dont Rape because of sex. They rape because they are animals and are commiting a horrible act of violence afainst the sweeter fairer sex.

Originally posted by laiguana
iskander or whatever, to assume I'm a minor simply because I disagree with the public conduct of a person is absurd. What I find even more absurd is that people do not question the mental maturity of this couple. They're in their 40s and acting like a couple of teenagers that just 'don't care' what other people think of them.
Sex in public is against the law, public exposure is also against the law.
If you let 'hormones and testosterone' get in the way of civilized behavior than you DO belong in jail because that's the same excuse rapists use.
The airport did a fantastic job with these ill-behaved people, they should learn some manners when in public. And I highly doubt they'll spend more than a couple hours in jail if at all.

There is quite some difference between love and rape. You know? As iskander said; you probably need to advance a little before you attempt some serious argumentation.

Civilized behavior is actually quite a subjective thing. In western culture civilized behavior is probably seen as something "positive" for most people, but not for everyone. For example: I always had a very strong dislike of "society" since my early youth-hood. And looking at the global situation this is actually a good thing.

In Switzerland, for what i know.. sometimes, very occasionally when you walk on the streets there are people.. (Even if you dont believe it.) who actually fart in a way that you can hear it. Maybe they don't assume you would hear it.. or they don't care.

But they fart! (Sometimes.. even in public places.) Let me ask you a question: In america there are people who fart in public too? Yes? No? Maybe? .. Quite an interesting question..

Probably even here in Switzerland, some people would start to feel uncomfortable upon a clearly audible fart. But i have never heard of anyone being charged for "farting in public", "loving their partner" or "breastfeeding their newborn child (aka life)" around here.

Now let's come back to "social behavior". As i said i'm one of those who doesn't care about manners. Because people who only value manners often have other personal handicaps, or boring lives. What is more important than manners, is respect.

I believe that people who are completely unable to do what they want to, even in public (aka show their feelings).. without caring about what other people think; are or become mentally/physically sick over time. I guess you are one of those who doesn't even dare to fart in front of their own girlfriend. And it may sound as a quite bizarre analogy, but there is a high probability that due to similar reasons you might not be able to have some decent sexual intercourse with the person you love, or in other words: satisfy a woman.

I will just pretend that the incredible amount of gross ATS postings, without any natural logic, morality or common sense.. result from severe illnesses.

Im really glad there are also quite alot of sane people on ATS. That's why i like this place so much.. specially if you look at those important topics which are being discussed in here.

For the before-mentioned sane people it should be perfectly clear why charging "the crime of love" under reasonings of "public uncomfortability" is, under any circumstances, absolutely intolerable.

Cheers

iskander or whatever, to assume I'm a minor simply because I disagree with the public conduct of a person is absurd.

laiguana, like and stuff, it was not an assumption, but an observation based on your conduct. Further more, there was a generous dose of the benefit of the doubt there.

Being young is a wonderful thing, and the whole world is right there to explore. If some of the fundamental lessons are not learned though, then some people are left with judging public conduct of others.

Usually it's what extremely bored elderly in retirement homes do though, so my apologies if my sarcasm hits the spot there, no pun intended.

What I find even more absurd is that people do not question the mental maturity of this couple.

Are you a psychiatrist? Better yet, what exactly are you grounds for feeling so free to judge mental maturity of people you never even met?

They're in their 40s and acting like a couple of teenagers that just 'don't care' what other people think of them.

Oh, I'm sorry, I see where you're coming from. Self esteem is like a seed, you just have give it a chance to grow, and it will.

As far as the couple, good for them! 40s is young, and if they still have that fire and the passion to be as free as teenagers in love, it's a beautiful thing, so all the power to them.

Sex in public is against the law, public exposure is also against the law.

I just pictured Silvester Stallone in Judge Dredd saying "I am the LAW!".

laiguana, were they having sex in public? Were they charged with indecent exposure? No they were not, so what's your thing here?

If you let 'hormones and testosterone' get in the way of civilized behavior than you DO belong in jail because that's the same excuse rapists use.

Wow, therapy is recommended. In all seriousness, laiguana, I strongly urge you to identify, confront and deal with the feelings that make you think that way.

I'm not going to pry, it's not my place, but there are professionals out there that can help you talk about certain things that make people feel so angry about intimacy.

The airport did a fantastic job with these ill-behaved people, they should learn some manners when in public. And I highly doubt they'll spend more than a couple hours in jail if at all.

Again it's yet another sign. What you currently consider as ill behavior, is what you your self desire and don't have, but don't be to hard on your self, because if you are willing to be a little more positive and open, your attitude will change.

I hope you see that as it stands, you are happy to see people being punished for expressing their good feelings for one another, and you actually consider such natural and human feelings as ill and anti-social behavior.

Try some reverse psychology here, and you'll see that it's not about that couple at all, and that it's all about you and how you react to people that are happy.

The problem is that they denied having sex, just because somebody felt uncomfortable for their overly display of affection, that is where the complain was made.

But right now this is getting out of control. First people get targeted by the way the look, how they do their prayers and how ydress, this needs to stop.

This is a blow back from all of the the restrictions and hardships that our entire nation is forced to suffer. Since people literally have no outlet to express their discontent, they will lash out at anybody who is actually happy, and use what ever authority is available.

You're happy and I'm not, watch me tear you down.

It's like the bully kid on the beach, that stomps other kids sand castles because his parents just don't pay attention to him.

We need rules that will put the patriot act under the guides of what it was made for, not for anybody else with some given authority to misuse it at will.

We need less rules and more America. America stands for FREEDOM, and especially freedom of expression. If we let that be taken away from us on some empty premise of the paranoia soaked "Patriot Act", we will only give one of the last great American virtues that makes out country special.

BTW the fight attendant was a male.

You're kidding me! If some guy (and I don't care who he is) comes up to me and tells me to stop kissing my wife because it bothers some neurotic people, I will tell him to take a hike if he wants to keep his nose on straight.

Maybe the homeland security folks could just screen for people who are likely to show public affection and lock them up before they have a chance to kiss in public and terrorize us with thier disgusting open displays of love.

You're taking my words out of context. The point is that hormones are not an excuse for indecent public behavior. If you cannot control your hormones then you are not mentally fit to be considered human. There are laws against such things and maybe you should all read up on them.
Second, it's an airport, this isn't the place to become overly affectionate to the point people suspect you of engaging in sex acts. Why were they so intent on their public display rather than waiting until they were out of the airport to resume their antics? And frankly it's the witnesses words against the couples, so there's no way on saying who's wrong or right at this point.
Third the couple should have stopped immediatley after being told by the flight attendant. The Patriot Act came into play naturally after they failed to comply and threatened the flight attendant.

And from what I see here some of you can't even argue decently and have to resort to personal attacks about my own life and sexuality, but it humors me.

Originally posted by laiguana
... fit to be considered human.

A lizardman who supports Israel is telling us how to be human.

That's the best laugh I had all day.

[edit on 26-11-2006 by In nothing we trust]

Maybe the homeland security folks could just screen for people who are likely to show public affection and lock them up before they have a chance to kiss in public and terrorize us with thier disgusting open displays of love.

Actually there was a movie called Equilibrium about that one, with Christian Bale.

In the plot all emotions and any emotional stimuli were punished by death. In order to suppress emotions the entire populations had to take a drug all at the same time, again under punishment of death.

If you cannot control your hormones then you are not mentally fit to be considered human.

Dude, you just offended every women going through menopause.

There are laws against such things and maybe you should all read up on them.

Yeah, I guess all women over 50 should be arrested and jailed. Are you sure your not an adolescent?

What laws are those by the way?

Second, it's an airport, this isn't the place to become overly affectionate to the point people suspect you of engaging in sex acts.

You got to be about 13. If not, I'll just leave it at that.

Why were they so intent on their public display rather than waiting until they were out of the airport to resume their antics?

Spoken like a true virgin. Girls are just icky, aren't they?

And frankly it's the witnesses words against the couples, so there's no way on saying who's wrong or right at this point.

Third the couple should have stopped immediatley after being told by the flight attendant. The Patriot Act came into play naturally after they failed to comply and threatened the flight attendant.

LOL! Here's something one of my friends shared with me for a laugh. She said that there's only one thing worse then finding out that the guy in her bed is a closet case, and that's when a man stops a moment of intimacy to pick up a call from his mother.

laiguana, what does all this mean to you I wonder?

And from what I see here some of you can't even argue decently and have to resort to personal attacks about my own life and sexuality, but it humors me.

Naturally, as soon as the obvious is stated, it must be a personal attack, how quaint. Good to know that we're both in good humor though! Carry on.

A lizardman who supports Israel is telling us how to be human.

That's the best laugh I had all day.

No kidding. The irony of that has just arrived, all aboard!

First; if you're going to quote someone it's good protocol to include emphasis items as well; such as bold and italics. Secondly; Identify whom your quoting.

originally posted by Freedom_for_sum
All the facts of this case still have yet to be made fully public; but there are a few things we do know: This couple was engaged in behavior that made the other passengers feel uncomfortable.

originally posted by iskander
Indeed. Stupidity makes me uncomfortable for example, specifically because at one point in our countries history, in stead of it being considered to be embarrassing, it became the norm.

The simple difference here is that a couple engaging in inappropriate behavior is doing so deliberately and of their own volition.

You, on the other hand, are uncomfortable around some people for reasons over which they may have little or no control.

The rest of your post is indicative of an emasculated man seemingly stuck within the mental prison of perpetual victimhood; always angry; always sniping; and deriving pleasure by passively, and aggressively, twisting the words and contexts of others' to fulfill your mental masturbatory needs. You need help. And after responding in this post, I see no need to continue deliberating with you. You are way out there beyond any sense of reasonableness and logic!!!

originally posted by iskander
osram, watch this

So osram; are you as impressed with iskander as he expects you to be?


[edit on 26-11-2006 by Freedom_for_sum]

Well I understand that people may disagree with me all the time, but when they resort to these childish antics that's when you have to use the ignore feature. I've tried to stay on topic the whole time, which is -why a couple were charged under the patriot act. However it seems iskander and perhaps another are aiming their attacks at me personally. So debating them would be futile.

And I agree with what you said freedom_for_sum. My suggestion is that when people can't focus on the topic, it's just better to ignore them.





[edit on 26-11-2006 by laiguana]

First; if you're going to quote someone it's good protocol to include emphasis items as well; such as bold and italics. Secondly; Identify whom your quoting.

Thanks for the advice. I'll keep doing what ever works for me if you don't mind.

The simple difference here is that a couple engaging in inappropriate behavior is doing so deliberately and of their own volition.

Were you there? Because your assertion seems to be based entirely on hearsay.

You, on the other hand, are uncomfortable around some people for reasons over which they may have little or no control.

Who were the "uncomfortable" people? How many of them were there? Since the "offending" couple has been identified, what are the names of those "offended" individuals?

The rest of your post is indicative of an emasculated man seemingly stuck within the mental prison of perpetual victimhood; always angry; always sniping; and deriving pleasure by passively, and aggressively, twisting the words and contexts of others' to fulfill your mental masturbatory needs. You need help. And after responding in this post, I see no need to continue deliberating with you. You are way out there beyond any sense of reasonableness and logic!!!

That's an interesting analysis you got there. Before you run away though, please enlighten me, which scale did you use to base that analysis on?

As I said before, if you care to engage in exercise of reason and logic, I'm always available for a session in the "fight club" section of ATS.

PM me, it is Holiday season, so we'll have to schedule it in.

Well I understand that people may disagree with me all the time, but when they resort to these childish antics that's when you have to use the ignore feature. I've tried to stay on topic the whole time, which is -why a couple were charged under the patriot act. However it seems iskander and perhaps another are aiming their attacks at me personally. So debating them would be futile.

And I agree with what you said freedom_for_sum. My suggestion is that when people can't focus on the topic, it's just better to ignore them.

Exactly, ignorance is truly bliss for the greater majority, but since here on ATS the motto is "Deny ignorance", some will always hide behind a cozy blanket of "opinionism", and then pout claiming a personal injury after their opinions turn out to be nothing more then a pocket of hot air.

For each their own, but I for one do not accept such warped examples of political correctness. I just grew up in much different times, times in which people spoke about what they knew, and listened when they didn't.

Happy Holidays to all, and Merry Christmas!