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So our fish one day develops an extra set of fins that he decides might just be useful for walking up that sandy beach. Off we go up onto the beach one day and I guess the gills just decided they didn’t need water for extraction of oxygen. They could just pull it from the air directly. Awesome! Mr. Fish got tired of dragging his belly around since those fin-legs are so stubby, so he decided he would mate with Mrs. Fish and their offspring would eventually encounter genetic variations that would allow them to walk on all fours just like…a lizard! Alright!
Originally posted by melatonin
You seem to be missing a big point here. The fish decided nothing, the fish population just had adaptive mutations that gave an increasing ability to survive in air and on land.
It would not be a fish then give birth to an oxygen breathing amphibian because it felt it would be a good direction to go. Evolution really occurs at the populaton level.
Originally posted by windshield
As I mentioned, I was over-generalizing things and I think you are over-analyzing these generalizations. I understand the adaptations that are involved with populations of species. The fish and lizard were only an example of which in reality there would have to be millions of the same situations happening at the same time. I'm only trying to provoke thoughts, working backward evolutionally speaking, on how many times these processes had to take place with no margin for error in the begninning for life to have truly originated and evolved to where we are now. If you reverse this idea and apply it to earlier periods, there would have been lesser and lesser numbers of organisms that would have had the chance to get this right. That's not even taking into account any situations where species are catastrophically wiped out and the resultant recreation or re-emergence of the same or similar speicies. How did the population of your fish living in muddy pools begin? Surely we have to decide whether one fish-like creature developed initially or did a million develop at once from a predecessor lifeform and have the ability to reproduce with the original? I know this is like the chicken/egg thing to an extent, but I'm just looking for people's thoughts on how they've arrived at their own conclusion. I thank you for yours! It's really mind-boggling when you stop to consider the implications, but I enjoy it anyway.(Hopefully this makes a slight bit of sense...lol)
Originally posted by soficrow
IMO - the so-called "evolution debate" is just another industry-funded marketing campaign, generated by the Denial Industry.
Originally posted by melatonin
Originally posted by soficrow
IMO - the so-called "evolution debate" is just another industry-funded marketing campaign, generated by the Denial Industry.
I certainly agree that there is a denial industry.
Not too sure about the industry link with the evolution debate,
Originally posted by etshrtslr
windshield,
Good thread,
A coincidence implies an effect without a cause. Therefore I dont think there are coincidences beacuse it violates the law of cause and effect.
Originally posted by soficrow
Originally posted by melatonin
Originally posted by soficrow
IMO - the so-called "evolution debate" is just another industry-funded marketing campaign, generated by the Denial Industry.
It's all about evolution - and industry caused it.
Um - no. Darwin's little finches did this long before we had impact on them and sadly the big evil industry was not around yet....
Originally posted by etshrtslr
And I dont think it was just mere coincidence that aligned all these factors precisly so evolution could occur.
I just want input from folks that will critically think about this and question if it's all really possible these complexities can begin by chance and ultimately lead to "Us".
Originally posted by UofCinLA
Originally posted by soficrow
IMO - the so-called "evolution debate" is just another industry-funded marketing campaign, generated by the Denial Industry.
It's all about evolution - and industry caused it.
Um - no. Darwin's little finches did this long before we had impact on them and sadly the big evil industry was not around yet....