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Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
Originally posted by snafu7700
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
she shot the police. her rights were officially null and void due to this. this is not the idea we are debating, but the competency of the police. please dont try to derail.
so by shooting at armed intruders in her home, her rights are null and void? please show me that law, because i certainly dont ever remember reading it as a georgia resident when i lived there and held a concealed carry permit. nor do i remember the constitution reading that way.
youre arguing a useless point. she might not have known they were police but that doesnt matter worth a damn thing. if i run over a person in my car and dont stop, i should not be taken to jail because i ASSUMED it was a deer? thats the basis of your logic.
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
youre arguing a useless point. she might not have known they were police but that doesnt matter worth a damn thing. if i run over a person in my car and dont stop, i should not be taken to jail because i ASSUMED it was a deer? thats the basis of your logic.
edit: please dont get me wrong i agree fully that this is bull[crap] of the ninth degree and the police should be prosecuted. however, flawed logic and knee-jerk reactions will not save us.
Originally posted by kleverone
Originally posted by holymoley
Originally posted by kleverone
Did they not know going into this that the only person who would be there would be a 92 year old lady, who I'm sure probably didn't live in the safest neighborhood (wasn't this a drug bust). Probably had her house broken into before and therefore purchased a firearm to protect herself. I hear plenty of Morons on here defending the police, but don't you think they should find out the occupants, their age, maybe take some of that into consideration? I dare any of you to place your great grandparent in that situation and continue to defend those officers! How about a little background research before breaking down someones door. I don't care who it is, someone breaks down my door without identifying themselves, there getting blasted! And of course they have to identify themselves, show me where the Supreme Court overruled that!! MAYBE she didn't hear them, that I can believe but to say that they don't have to identify themselves because they have a warrant is the dumbest thing I have heard all day. LMAO. Stop defending police incompetence!!!!! Or you may be next!!!
check this out. www.law.com...
the supreme court is backing off from the 'knock and announce rule'. got anything else you want me to look up for you?
Yeah, show me where they overuled it, easing up is hardly a repeal.
Originally posted by snafu7700
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
youre arguing a useless point. she might not have known they were police but that doesnt matter worth a damn thing. if i run over a person in my car and dont stop, i should not be taken to jail because i ASSUMED it was a deer? thats the basis of your logic.
it does matter because she was defending her personal residence....your analogy doesnt work. the point is that the cops didnt do their homework. period.
edit: please dont get me wrong i agree fully that this is bull[crap] of the ninth degree and the police should be prosecuted. however, flawed logic and knee-jerk reactions will not save us.
first of all, i'd go back and edit your words real quick before warns start flying. second, how is it flawed logic that she had every right to protect herself and her home. she had a quick trigger finger, but if you lived in that part of atlanta, believe me, you would too.
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
you sir simply cannot see the correlation. just because she DID NOT KNOW they were police does NOT absolve her of RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER ACTIONS.
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
please dont get me wrong i agree fully that this is bull[crap] of the ninth degree and the police should be prosecuted. however, flawed logic and knee-jerk reactions will not save us.
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
SHE SHOT POLICE. just because she did not know she shot police does NOT change the simple FACT. she shot police. therefore my example makes perfect sense. just because i DID NOT KNOW I RAN OVER A PERSON, AND NOT A DEER, DOES NOT ABSOLVE ME FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF RUNNING OVER A PERSON.
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
jesus god. the ability of some people to suspend their higher #ing brain functions astounds me to this day. logic like this is the whole reason incidents like this can happen.
you sir simply cannot see the correlation. just because she DID NOT KNOW they were police does NOT absolve her of RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER ACTIONS.
[edit on 11-22-2006 by forsakenwayfarer]
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
bolded so maybe you MIGHT read it this time around.
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
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Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
please dont get me wrong i agree fully that this is bull[crap] of the ninth degree and the police should be prosecuted. however, flawed logic and knee-jerk reactions will not save us.
bolded so maybe you MIGHT read it this time around.
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
i dont give a damn how "hard of hearing" you are. barring COMPLETELY deaf, there is no way she did not hear "POLICE. GET ON THE GROUND. POLICE."
i dont think theres a snowballs chance in hell being 19 i would get off with the same amount of sympathy just because i live in a "bad neighborhood" and i "didnt know they were police" come the hell on.
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
i agree fully that this should never have been made to occur if this had been handled correctly. however, i CANNOT fault these men for returning fire. mistakes were made on BOTH SIDES. understand yet?
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
she shot police.
she shot police.
should i type it again? i dont care who you are, how innocent you are, or any other mitigating factor.
i agree fully that this should never have been made to occur if this had been handled correctly. however, i CANNOT fault these men for returning fire. mistakes were made on BOTH SIDES. understand yet?
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
she shot police.
she shot police.
should i type it again? i dont care who you are, how innocent you are, or any other mitigating factor.
i agree fully that this should never have been made to occur if this had been handled correctly. however, i CANNOT fault these men for returning fire. mistakes were made on BOTH SIDES. understand yet?
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
they should never have stormed a 92 year olds home. this is a given. this should NEVER have made it to a situation where we should even be having this discussion. I AGREE WITH YOU, WAKE UP.
I AGREE WITH YOU, WAKE UP.
[edit on 11-22-2006 by forsakenwayfarer]