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Should We Change the Definition of Religion?

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posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 01:11 AM
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Can we create a new, precise, and observed definition of religion to eliminate war in the world? To eliminate terrorism? To eliminate crime? To eliminate sin?




posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 01:24 AM
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Should religion be defined by one long sacred book? Or one short sacred book? Or one long sacred sentence? Or one short sacred sentence?



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 01:51 AM
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Should there be an official religion (with an official definition of religion) in the USA? Many people like the freedom, but cannot this create anarchy and susceptibility to attack in war, terrorism, crime, or sin? Or does the USA want "free creativity" without thinking of everybody?



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 02:30 AM
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If we have "freedom of religion", does this not cause us to be separate from our brothers and sisters? Does this not cause us to be separate from God when He has taught us to love Him AND neighbors?



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 02:53 AM
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How do you define your religion? I define my religion, Christianity, as "learning and living the words from Jesus Christ."



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 02:58 AM
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Can violent religions be eliminated? Can the violence that they promote at least be reduced? Is a "religion" that has anything to do with violence really be a religion?



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 03:32 AM
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Is it possible for only one religion, precisely defined, to exist? Would it be followed by each person in the world? How long would it be for departure into another religion?



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 09:46 AM
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The unabridged Random House Dictionary of the English Language defines it this way:

Religion: 1 Concern over what exists beyond the visible world differentiated from philosophy in that it operates through faith or intuition rather than reason, and generally including the idea of the existence of a single being, a group of beings, an eternal principle, or a transcendant spiritual entity that has created the world, that governs it, that controls its destinies, or that intervenes occassionally in the natural course of of its history, as well as the idea that ritual, prayer, spiritual excercises, certain principles of everyday conduct, etc., are expedient, due, or spiritually rewarding, or arise naturally out of a human need as a human response to the belief in such a being, principle, etc..
2 A specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of people or sects: the Christian religion.
3 The body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and principles: a world council of religions.
4 A deep conviction of the validity of a religious beliefs and practices: to get religion.
5 The life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
6 The practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
7 A point or a matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
8 Religions: Archaic. religious rites.
9 Archaic. Strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow, conscientiousness, piety, to tie, fasten or bind.

I think it's well and good to mark a difference between religious dedication and religiosity.

Religiosity is a form of addiction.

Religiosity: 1 The quality of being religious, piety, devoutness.
2 Affected or excessive devotion to religion.

We could define it as an addiction once people start killing for it.

I think religious devotion is a natural outcrop of sentience.



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by GreatTech
If we changed the definition of religion for positive reasons, and then effectively regulated it under this new definition, would we end all wars and potential wars? Would we end all crime and potential crime? Would we end all sin and potential sin?



YOur not serious about this are you???

What you are saying here is that man has the ability to be God...God with us. The God we can see. Man is God...a demi god here on earth ..a soverign man.

Man is the ultimate reality in the universe.

Hegel's version of this is " The State is God." This is also Communism.

Man doesnt do anything ...simply because the material men are made of is lousy material. We dont naturally have what it takes. We are inferior stuff...damaged goods. Men are naturally " Entropos " From the Greek word for death...twords death. Entropy...energy entropy...declining twords death. All energy is in the process of decay more organized to less organized states...including men.

By the way..this means all religions are not the same...most if not all are also twords death. Entropos.

Think this through carefully.

Orangetom



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 05:15 PM
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The flesh is indeed entropos (at the present.) All that is seen withers like the flower and fades away.

All that is UNSEEN endures infinitely.



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 05:20 PM
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orangetom1999, I believe in a Spirituality-Physicality Balance. The Ultimate Test of our Spirituality is when our Physicality has been greatly reduced. Only when our Spirituality reaches a high enough level and our Physicality is eliminated can we enter the Kingdom of God.



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by GreatTech
Can violent religions be eliminated?


Yes. They can. And, one day, they WILL be.

Why? Because mankind must come to the realization that we are, ALL of us....

A brotherhood UNITED.

Imagine there is no religion....no wars....no countries...nothing to live or die for......

A brotherhood of man!

Peace be with you, my brothers...the peace that the LORD gives....

to ALL of US.



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by GreatTech
orangetom1999, I believe in a Spirituality-Physicality Balance. The Ultimate Test of our Spirituality is when our Physicality has been greatly reduced. Only when our Spirituality reaches a high enough level and our Physicality is eliminated can we enter the Kingdom of God.


Without the physical, where would the kingdom be, GT? And think before you say 'heaven.' Heaven is the sky and beyond that, the starry dark cosmic sky.

Stars are light and heat and intelligence - PURE energy - MIND in chemical configurations that manifest their tremendous power. The human body, at present, does not manifest its potential power of mind....and if it did manifest that which we do utitlize, we would still be less than dim sparks in the midnight breeze....

But even at the brilliance of the stars, they do manifest chemically - without a kingdom manifested, what on Earth is there for a King to do?

The Kingdom of Heaven is within you, GT - even though this speaks to a seed and a spirit within - there is still a 'WITHIN.'



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by queenannie38

Originally posted by GreatTech
orangetom1999, I believe in a Spirituality-Physicality Balance. The Ultimate Test of our Spirituality is when our Physicality has been greatly reduced. Only when our Spirituality reaches a high enough level and our Physicality is eliminated can we enter the Kingdom of God.


Without the physical, where would the kingdom be, GT? And think before you say 'heaven.' Heaven is the sky and beyond that, the starry dark cosmic sky.


You are slightly incorrect, additions to words make a big difference..
The sky and starry dark cosmos is called The Heavens
Heaven is WITHIN, it is the limitless within... as above so below..
so yes my dear think before you say heaven.. lol

Heavens with a (S) on the end, signifies ALL of the heavens within us collapsed onto the material plane....




Stars are light and heat and intelligence - PURE energy - MIND in chemical configurations that manifest their tremendous power. The human body, at present, does not manifest its potential power of mind....and if it did manifest that which we do utitlize, we would still be less than dim sparks in the midnight breeze....

But even at the brilliance of the stars, they do manifest chemically - without a kingdom manifested, what on Earth is there for a King to do?

The Kingdom of Heaven is within you, GT - even though this speaks to a seed and a spirit within - there is still a 'WITHIN.'


All I will say, is.. the outside SPACE/COSMOS, Stars and all, ... are what is within you.. what you are aware of within.. different parts of the uni-verse are just different sections of our body that we begin to understand.. in it limitlessness..



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 06:58 PM
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Yes!

Quantum limitless!

Mind boggling!



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by GreatTech
orangetom1999, I believe in a Spirituality-Physicality Balance. The Ultimate Test of our Spirituality is when our Physicality has been greatly reduced. Only when our Spirituality reaches a high enough level and our Physicality is eliminated can we enter the Kingdom of God.


Your joking about this right??? I wonder if you have thought this through to its logical conclusion??

Have you thought it through that War...is a method of greatly reducing our physicality???

You do understand ,dont you, that men have been searching for one method or another to do exactly what you are describing in your above statement from the begining of recorded history??? Most of these attempts surround the concept that "We" do the work...We are the decider of how it goes. The upward reach of mankind is another version of this. The hollywood version is "The Force be with you." Put whatever title or mantra on it you like.

Of all these systems there is only one which says...We dont decide how we get into heaven. We all deserve hell and damnation...and rightly so. We do not deserve heaven ...we deserve condemnation.

All the other systems come from or originate from occult pagan systems...of works.
Occult is the actual name for these systems...as they often conceal even thier secrets from thier members. Even the system of "Balance " stems from this origin.

All religions are not the same religion..I can prove this over and over.

The purpose and method of the bulk of religons in this world has been to infiltrate the other religion and convert it over to a mirror image of themselves...so as to claim that "all religions are the same religion." THey have been remarkably successful at it since most believers of the other religion are today so dumb they dont know the fingerprint that has infiltrated them.

Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 09:03 PM
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orangetom1999, do you believe the originator of each religion did it for God's purposes or self-seeking purposes? Or both?

Does the religion with the highest membership have God or Satan working through the membership?

Does the religion with the lowest membership have God or Satan working through the membership?

Should all of religion be abolished? Instead should we embrace individual Spirituality? If so, could two or more people agree upon anything? Is there one truth or many truths?



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 10:22 PM
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Great Tech,your definition would fit spirituality but not religion.



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 10:29 PM
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SpeakerofTruth, which is more important, Spirituality or religion? How would you define Spirituality and religion?



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by GreatTech

Does the religion with the highest membership have God or Satan working through the membership?

Does the religion with the lowest membership have God or Satan working through the membership?



May I attempt an answer to that GreatTech?




Membership of anything, wither high or low has nothing to do with truth.


Even if everyone on Earth ultimately became convinced of one persons, or one groups 'truth', truth would still be a refugee.

The number of people that believe something, as vast a number as you like, has no effect on the validity of the fact.

Truth needs no one to believe in it for it still to be true.

Religion needs converts and followers for its "truth" to exist.





[edit on 23-11-2006 by kegs]



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