Key Lebanese Political Leader Assassinated

In a brutal attack, Lebanese cabinet member Pierre Gemayel was killed earlier today. He was shot to death; a Christian leader and who was also a anti-syrian political leader. Gemayel was driving in his car when he was rammed in the back to stop, then a gunman got out of the vehicle walked up to the driver side window and show Gemayal at point blank range. The assassination was done by an unknown group of people, but this was the 5th anti-syrian political leader that has been killed in the past two years. The US Government has accused Syria and Iran to be in part of this as a means to overthrow the Lebanese Government.



This has truly sparked a large interest in the Middle East and people are now beginning to have more unrest about Lebanon. Gemayel was a great leader against the terrorists in the Middle East, his death will cripple the continued efforts to subdue the current problems with other countries.and This assassination attack is a shock to the US and other countries, but to Lebanon it is just another way they are being attacked from the inside. After the conflicts with the Hezbollah, Lebanon has seen a lot of troubles and it will only continue to mount. Lebanon is stuck in the cross fire of a larger picture of Muslims and Christians that is all about power, land, and religion.

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[edit on 21-11-2006 by ragster]

I do not see why the CIa, Mossad, or British intelligence could not be responsiblle. After all, there could be nothing better for them but to justify a reason to continue antagonozing the very people they accuse. The gunman is unknown, noone is claiming anything, and there is no description.

We are out of luck for now as far as i can see.

Originally posted by DYepes
I do not see why the CIa, Mossad, or British intelligence could not be responsiblle.

I dunno what, if anything it would accomplish for Syria , especially since they are already under suspicion to do something like that. It doesn't make sense. if you were under suspicion of murder would you go out and do it again?
Its definitely in Israels interests to have Lebanon in a state of civil war. When they are killing each other , all eyes are on them and it kills off their enemies without shedding any of their blood. More then likely it was a Lebanese person who killed him but someone paid him probably.

It could also just be someone with a gripe. Maybe a palestinian since it was the Christians that worked with Ariel Sharon and killed all those people in Shatila and Sabra.


Pie

Originally posted by ThePieMaN


I dunno what, if anything it would accomplish for Syria , especially since they are already under suspicion to do something like that. It doesn't make sense. if you were under suspicion of murder would you go out and do it again?

Ummm, maybe the Pro Syrian and Hezbollah part of Lebanon's government stands a chance of forcing a no confidence vote on the current government.

There was an attack on another Government minister the same day but it failed. If it had succeeded, the Pro Syria elements of the government could have forced new elections based on how the Lebenese Constitution is drawn up.

Open up you eyes, Syria has much to gain with a more pro Syrian Government in Lebanon. Only one more assasination to go and then you will see.

They were already voted out by the people, why would the people all of a sudden want them back? Then again, had the Syrian Troops still been there, a large portion of Lebanon may not be in ruins from Israeli attacks right now. In fact, I know it.

Definitely Israel want to destabilize Lubnon coz they failed in war

Originally posted by DYepes
They were already voted out by the people, why would the people all of a sudden want them back? Then again, had the Syrian Troops still been there, a large portion of Lebanon may not be in ruins from Israeli attacks right now. In fact, I know it.

Not all the people in Lebanon are anti-Syria.There is a decent sized pro-Syrian bloc in Lebanon, that portion still would not mind closer relations with Syria. Don't tell me with Hezbollah, which has seats in the parliament and on the cabinet, that they wouldn't want more Syrian involvement with Lebanon.

As to the second part, yes Syria would have kept a tighter lease on their creation in Lebanon. Syria would have been able to control Hezbollah more, they would not have been able to stop Israel if Hezbollah acted the way it did with the kidnappings.
As Syria withdrew from Lebanon, there should have been a multinational peacekeeping force fill the vacuum. Of course the world community never does anything till it is too late to prevent things from escalating.

Israel have entered gaza again tonight.

With all the preparing that Palestine and Hamas have done since the lebanese war..
I feel this incursion is not going to go like the others.

The assination of the lebanese official, is very timely.

i feel it has begun.

Who gains more from the potential collapse of Lebanon's government: Israel or Syria?

Israel would lose a more pro Western Govt. in Lebanon, they have no long term interest in unrest on their Northern border.

What does Syria have to lose?

Israel would benefit because its to their advantage if Syria and Iran are implicated and possible Military action is taken against them. Its accomplishes several things. Golan Heights will not be returned, Hizbollah will be removed and the Iranian threat to Israel would be more widely supported, a civil war would include the palestinians as well...and any dead Palestinian is 1 less that may try to return to palestine or attack Israel from the Lebanese side. Syria left Lebanon a while ago. The only ones that seem to be interested so much in Lebanon is Israel since they won't leave the place alone.

The Mossad is very well known for their prowess in political and civil assasination. Its not Syria thats known for such things. For a Syrian to go in and do the job in 15 seconds is highly unlikely, for a Mossad agent its probably to be expected.

An anti-Syrian Christian Lebanese leader gets knocked off...

And Islamofascist supporters immediately start claiming Mossad/CIA did it!



No doubt the Mossad/CIA were the people that kidnapped those Israeli soldiers, then carried out thousands of rocket attacks against northern Israel in that little recent Lebanon fracas.

No doubt those evil, all-seeing, all-knowing Mossad/CIA guys are toasting their most recent success... with champagne glasses overflowing with blood milked from the Palestinian boys chained in those special holding bunkers...

Slap! (back to reality )

Is there NO LIMIT to this stupidity?

How many guys has Syria knocked off?

>Who gains more from the potential collapse of Lebanon's government: Israel or Syria?
Neither. Hezbollah and Iran.

[edit on 22-11-2006 by golemina]

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Israel would benefit because its to their advantage if Syria and Iran are implicated and possible Military action is taken against them. Its accomplishes several things. Golan Heights will not be returned, Hizbollah will be removed and the Iranian threat to Israel would be more widely supported, a civil war would include the palestinians as well...and any dead Palestinian is 1 less that may try to return to palestine or attack Israel from the Lebanese side. Syria left Lebanon a while ago. The only ones that seem to be interested so much in Lebanon is Israel since they won't leave the place alone.

The Mossad is very well known for their prowess in political and civil assasination. Its not Syria thats known for such things. For a Syrian to go in and do the job in 15 seconds is highly unlikely, for a Mossad agent its probably to be expected.

Again, Long term, Israel does not gain from an unstable Lebanon that does not have a pro Western Government. Israel does not gain long range from a civil war in Lebanon, even if it kills many foes of Israel at the same time. Overall, it would make Israel less secure.


Israel will not probably never give back the Golan till it has Iron clad promises and agreements that it would stay a demiltarized zone with international Peacekeepers there. That is likely never to happen barring some miracle.

How exactly will Hezbollah be removed? I am not following your thought process there.


So let me get this straight, Israel clandestinely kills one of it's own allies in Lebanon's government, possibly causing the Pro-western leaning govenment to fall. If it does fall it will be replaced by a more Muslim-Arab Syrian supporting government with Hezbollah as a leading part of that government? Israel does all of this just to smear Syria's name while providing a much less secure northern border? Makes perfect sense to me. Kill you allies to frame your enemy while at the same time making your country less safe? Wow!

well if you look at todays news..USA intends on sending more military support to Lebanon, and of course it wouldn't make it less secure for Israel since there would be American involvement now as well as Israel is already there and has been doing routine recon on an almost daily basis on the entirety of Lebanon . So what if Gemayel was an ally of Israel? Its not like they should care if he is allied with them or not if it accomplishes something for Israels greater good. I doubt they would care at all. I love it, Israeli supporters always going off about how well the Mossad carries out assasinations and now all of a sudden the Mossad should not be suspect.

Its funny how Zionofascists are so arrogant and make fantastic claims about their precious Mossad killing this one or killing that one but whenever something does actually happen.."I didn't do it" or "They would never do such a thing" seems to be the best excuse. The entire 20 years or so of Lebanese Civil war didn't bother israel in the least so why would it create such a security issue now for them.

by that keen intellect of yours PieMan...

Mossad targets bad guys.

Originally posted by golemina
by that keen intellect of yours PieMan...

Mossad targets bad guys.

Yeah I know. We caught 150 of em not too long ago and 5 of those idiots were having a ball while the World Trade Center fell and 3000 people died. I only wonder what their idea of what a bad guy might be.

Golemina, one of the key reasons of ANY intelligence agency is to destabalize what their governments tell them are their enemies. This can be carried out through propoganda and political assassinations. They kill the man and then blame it on their enemies.

Some agencies are involved in assassination, arms sales as well as coups d'état and other covert operations, in order to support their own or their governments' interests, and the placement of misinformation (propaganda).

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
well if you look at todays news..USA intends on sending more military support to Lebanon, and of course it wouldn't make it less secure for Israel since there would be American involvement now as well as Israel is already there and has been doing routine recon on an almost daily basis on the entirety of Lebanon .

Nice try Pieman,

Explain again why it is in Israel's best interest to bring down an Anti-Syrian, pro Western leaning Lebanese Government and replace it with either civil war anarchy or even better, a Hezbollah, Syrian leaning Lebanese Government? Don't you think it is slightly suspicious that this assassination happens just before the Lebanese government it set to decide on a UN tribunal for the Hari assassination and Hezbollah ministers leave the government? And you still contend that it is all Israel's doing. Simply Amazing.


www.timesonline.co.uk...=OT C-RSS&attr=World

The shooting came a week after six pro-Syrian ministers resigned from the 24-seat Government, plunging the country into turmoil. The resignations came after a deadlock over Hezbollah’s demand that it and its allies be given a greater stake in the Cabinet. Hezbollah says that unless the Government changes its mind the pro-Syrian opposition will begin pushing for early parliamentary elections. ......

Under the Lebanese Constitution, a government can continue functioning unless one third of the Cabinet resigns or is incapacitated. The resignations and Mr Gemayel’s murder mean that if another minister is removed the Government will fall. Three hours before Mr Gemayel’s murder gunmen opened fire at the offices of Michel Pharaon, the Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs. No one was hurt.
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The UN Security Council “unequivocally condemned” Mr Gemayel’s killing last night and approved the creation of an international court to try political assassins in Lebanon ...

Lebanon’s pro-Syrian President, Emile Lahoud, wrote to the UN last week to complain that the Lebanese Cabinet’s approval of the proposed tribunal was illegitimate because it required his consent.

Seven down in the cabinet of Lebanon.....only one more to go.

Sorry for the long quote....It is all very relevant though.

Originally posted by DYepes
Golemina, one of the key reasons of ANY intelligence agency is to destabalize what their governments tell them are their enemies. This can be carried out through propoganda and political assassinations. They kill the man and then blame it on their enemies.

Using that logic who were the enemies of Israel in Lebanon's Government?
Who were the enemies of Syria in Lebanon's Government?

Wouldn't it have made more sense for Israel to go after the Hezbollah ministers or Lahoud if they wanted to topple the current government and replace it with a more Pro Israel one? Since Mossad is so good as you claim, they could have left no trace behind those attacks.

You don't kill your own allies to improve your position in another country. You eliminate your enemies first. Who would be Israeli supporters in Lebanon if not the Christians and anti-Syrian forces? Next you will be telling me that Hezbollah is actually an Israeli created group.

Pavil
They (Israel) along with the very same people (The Phalangists) massacred hundreds of Palestinians and fueled a civil war once before. Like I said why would that make it any less secure for them? They did it before by massacreing hundreds...whats 1 person going to mean to them? Nothing. Israel has no allegiance to The Christians in Lebanon , as they took no responsibility for any wrongdoing in Sabra & Shatila and laid the blame squarely on the shoulders of the Phalangists. Its what would be the end result in all this that they are worried about , not what is current. They want to attack Syria, Iran and get rid of Hizbollah and make their New Middle East plan come to fruition wether the Old Middle East approves of it or not. I may be old but Im not feeble.I have not forgotten that Natanyahoo and the rest of the Neocon/Zionist thinktank who dreamt up this New Middle East plan have an agenda to keep.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Pavil
They (Israel) along with the very same people (The Phalangists) massacred hundreds of Palestinians and fueled a civil war once before.

If you are so old, then you know the cause of Lebanon's Civil War. It's wasn't just Israel's doing as they did not arm the PLO in Lebanon. The Syrians and PLO are as much, if not even more to blame for it as are Lebanon and Israel.

So 6 Million Israeli's, not all Jewish even, are planing on occupying the "Greater Middle East" ? If that is what you believe, so be it. Guess there will no peace there in our lifetime.